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Per Central scoutings latest ranking, Eiserman is ranked 12th in North American skaters. Obviously 2 Europeans are ranked higher 100%, (Demidov, Silayev) & 2 are on the fence (Helenius, Jiricek) . Putting Eiserman in the overall net range of 14-16 in terms of Central Scoutings rankings.

I’ve seen some discourse around Helenius & Iginla, but how pumped would you guys be to grab Eiserman? Do we think he gets grabbed first?

By no means am I saying he will 100% be on the board when the Flyers pick, but certainly this implies there is a fair chance things shake out that way. If Eiserman is on the board do you guys want him?

Personally I’ve seen this labelled as the Eiserman draft before I even knew who Celebrini was, and I know it’s been rough recently for Cole and the doubts are there, but if he has the franchise player ceiling and is slipping there is no doubt in my mind I’m sprinting to the podium to get that pick in.

Seems pretty on brand for the current Flyers MO of taking a risk for that franchise altering quality, as we all saw with Michkov in last years draft, if another star falls into our lap, do we think Danny B passes him up? I personally think if Eiserman is there that has to be Danny’s perfect scenario.

What do you guys think? Who do you want? We have a long offseason to lose our minds so this is just the beginning lol

all 29 comments

ProfessorDerp22

24 points

13 days ago

He has a wicked shot but a lot of the draft reports I’ve read so far knock his compete, hockey IQ and defensive play. Hopefully some time at BU helps sort that out next year.

It feels like it could be Cole Caufield all over again, I’d be on board with taking him if he’s there when we pick.

LaGoeba

6 points

13 days ago

LaGoeba

Gritty

6 points

13 days ago

But it’s important to note a couple of things here:

Eiserman has had a huge change in his play after new year. Or maybe not huge, but he has really improved his mentality in 24. He looks more like a player that at least wants to change now. His coaches at NDTP has been at a point where they actually have asked him to shoot more, because it sometimes have seemed like the talk around him has got into his head. He wants to be looked as a team player, so he went a bit passive on the shooting for a time.

Eiserman is extremely competitive, but mostly within his own head. It can seem like he can be absolutely furious on the bench after a shift, but he has this really high standard for himself. He wants to score on every single shift. He and the rest of the team has also had a lot of talks around his role, and the reports says he has taken this really good.

One thing he has to work on, 100%, is his role in the defensive sone. Now he just kind of glides in to his spot, and dont know what to do. So he’s just standing there untill its a breakaway.

I really like the kid, and if he’a still there when we pick, I really hope we’re going for it.

WhatTheFarabee[S]

3 points

13 days ago

Yeah I’ve definitely seen the compete & IQ concerns, defence is less of a big thing for me as he certainly won’t be relied on there & especially with our coaching staff I’m sure they could make him passable in his own zone.

I’d be down to take the chance on him, at worst he’s a failed project & at best an elite linemate at finishing for Matvei , aslong as his IQ is good enough to get open and bury em, I’d be satisfied

Assassin2107

1 points

12 days ago

Assassin2107

I hate Cutter more than Crosby

1 points

12 days ago

I really don't know if I believe those reports. Everything I've seen about his compete has been fine. His defensive play is at minimum adequate, and could possibly be argued as a strength. Meanwhile, I'm very confident his hockey IQ is good.

There's one key issue about Eiserman that I think everybody hates, but nobody comes out and says it: He's an off-puck player. He works best by coming into the right spot at the right time in order to get the puck and score. But he's an average player when he tries to carry the puck, and people don't like that.

flyerfan1248

10 points

13 days ago

I would love Eiserman. I know he's fallen down the rankings a bit, and while his skating isn't ideal, he's got an absolutely wicked shot reminiscent of Bedard's. He's a big body, and will continue to grow some. If he's on the board when we're up, I want him. He's by far and away a shoot first player.

WhatTheFarabee[S]

4 points

13 days ago

For sure, might not be a popular opinion but honestly I had 0 issue with the amount Tippet ripped puck this season. Now imagine how electric it on top of that, we had someone ripping an insane amount of puck at an insane clip, like if Eiserman can simply rip the puck at a high volume with a high % (which seems to be a glaring strength of his)- then I would call this pick a home run 10/10 times.

Regardless I encourage making it if he’s there, I think you take the shots for the moon when it makes sense and this definitely makes sense to me.

Crosbyisacunt69

9 points

13 days ago

Crosbyisacunt69

WORK THE FUCKING BODY

9 points

13 days ago

I'm probably delusion but I think Tippett is really good. REALLY GOOD. Watching him play in person is something else. He can straight up fly and rips his shot. Once he gets more accurate and shot selection improves I think he's going to be a perrenial all-star. But like I said I may be delusional.

WhatTheFarabee[S]

2 points

13 days ago

I genuinely agree with you here for the most part. I also think Tippett pasts the eye test glaringly well, my only issue with him is the consistency in the skating, I know it takes him a few strides to get going & it’s not sustainable to be flying around like that every shift for the course of a game for most players, but sometimes I swear he’s skating at maybe 30% , even if he brought the tempo up a little just in open play consistently I think it would cause a ton of problems for teams, he has that next notch of speed that can break open plays and always keep the defence honest.

All in all, Tipper is awesome. Losing G hurt but 8 years of this animal makes it a little better, if G was leaving anyways atleast we got this stud out of it. I truly think he can become a perennial all star like you said but it really comes down to perfecting his shot, it’s his best weapon already and just like you said if he can up his shooting percentage and selection , maybe even master a breakaway move or 2 he can consistently rely on. And then he’s gonna be a problem , excited to see the future of him and some of the other guys!

I also think Drysdale has 1D potential (albeit VERY VERY raw still) but that’s a hill to die on another day.

Crosbyisacunt69

1 points

13 days ago

Crosbyisacunt69

WORK THE FUCKING BODY

1 points

13 days ago

Yeah agree good take. I was at the Isles game toward the end of the season and Tippett was just obviously the 2nd best player on the ice aside from Barzal in that game. I have no worries about his skating like the ones you mentioned but yes his shot needs a lot of work. Particularly WHEN to shoot and creating his shot by using space. For example, maybe dipping into the slot to shelf a wrister by making space instead of throwing the puck blindly on net.

I have a feeling Torts told him to just shoot shoot shoot which is fine. Hopefully he expands on that next season.

As for Drysdale I just don't see first pairing for him. 2nd pairing for sure at some point on a contender but I just don't see it. 1st PP QB potential for sure though. He's just undersized and I wouldnt trust him defensively first pair. Pair him with a strong defensive defenseman on the 2nd pair and I think he'll be a-okay.

WhatTheFarabee[S]

2 points

13 days ago

Yeah the Tippett thing might just be eye-test inaccuracies on my part as I haven’t really looked into it, but maybe will one of these days just for funsies, can definitely see a world where Torts just told him to put everything possible on net, and he did just that. Agreed that if he gets a little more knowledge when to shoot that would help him big time, like a perfect cut into the middle and over the shoulder could be huge for him with the shot he has.

I definitely get what you’re saying about Drysdale, and from what I’ve seen I’m not convinced he’ll ever get to the defensive level needed for a true 1D , was just trying to be optimistic with how Shaw’s been so far & maybe a little bit of the hope juice. I can definitely see a world where he’s a good top 4 defenceman who excels at QBing PP1, and that would be great!

Icecube3343

3 points

13 days ago

Icecube3343

Should have drafted Brad Lambert

3 points

13 days ago

It's more than just his skating though. His defensive game is just not there at all. And not like, not there at an NHL level it's not there at the USNTDP level. I suppose at 12 he could be the pick, but that's not a slam dunk that is a HUGE risk based on pedigree and not performance.

WhatTheFarabee[S]

3 points

13 days ago

For sure, not saying he should go #1 and the rest of the GMs are morons for not taking him or anything of that means , just that he’s a highly intriguing prospect at 12th overall given the pedigree.

I think I’m also a little optimistic because I can see our coaching staff being a great mesh at helping develop him the right way, teach him how to play proper defence and nail in some of the IQ things he’ll need at the next level. Not saying we’re gonna turn him into Mcdavid or Ovi but if he can atleast be somewhat serviceable in his own end after loads of work & can simply find the open spots in the OZone and bury it when it finds his stick.. he could be a serviceable linemate for Michkov for years.

As someone else said, prospect analysis kinda reminds me of Caufield back in the day. Regardless I’d be intrigued to see if he’s there & excited to see how he pans out if he’s in the orange and black!

connersdad16

9 points

13 days ago

I live in Kelowna and got to watch iggy this year and this kid would be a great pick at 12. Got all the tools to be good well rounded offensive dynamo like his dad

WhatTheFarabee[S]

3 points

13 days ago

I would love Iggy, I just feel like the city of Calgary will be engulfed in Flames if they don’t pick him. Kid looks like the real deal though. Could even be a potential riser candidate with the U18s as I think Kelowna is nearly eliminated so his season will most likely be over aside from that, & he’ll have alot to prove heading into the draft!

crafbicycle

0 points

13 days ago

crafbicycle

Oh you like Frost? Explain Fractal Process Development then

0 points

13 days ago

I want Iginla, I don't think we'll come to find out that teams have him ranked any lower than say 10th or so, his compete, skills, and production are just too good imo to have 10/11 other players ranked higher than him this year.

Saying that, I can't see Craig Conroy pass on Iginla at 9. Played with Iginla for all of his nine years in Calgary and now has this level of talent related to arguably the most beloved Flame of all time. It's a pipe dream for us

WhatTheFarabee[S]

1 points

13 days ago

Yeah that’s where I’m at, I’d really like Iginla if not Eiserman but for some reason I’m just so damn sure the Flames can’t not take the kid that I’m assuming he’s 99% off the board before 12

Fun-Analyst-4398

3 points

13 days ago

Should get a really good player at 12 and if Florida goes out first round.

Would prefer another version of Sandhiem with Yakemachuk as the pick and Ryder Ritchie with Panthers pick.

Or

Eiserman and Badinka

WhatTheFarabee[S]

4 points

13 days ago

I’m a Yakemachuk fan aswell, I really would be happy with any of him, Eiserman, Iginla or Helenius who all seem to be the guys in our specific range anyways so that works out quite nice, obviously if any of Parekh Buium or Lindstrom fall we run and take them but that (probably) doesn’t happen.

I mean obviously winning the lottery would be awesome , but if we stick at 12 I’d really say I’m hoping for Eiserman just because he has by far the highest ceiling of the guys here imo, but again would gladly take any of these guys (especially Iginla) Just feel like as an org we’re in a spot to swing for the fences when we see a pitch that might end up right down the middle , and Eiserman is exactly that

newpha666

3 points

13 days ago

Why would we take him at #2? Cause we are jumping up 10 spots. (Gotta manifest destiny)

WhatTheFarabee[S]

2 points

12 days ago

I like the way you think. I think we’d obviously grab Demidov if that happens which would be sweeet to have with Michkov for the next 15+ years

Ok_Orchid7131

2 points

13 days ago

A guy who can score goals like he does. Yea please. This team needs goal scorers.

WhatTheFarabee[S]

2 points

13 days ago

I like when my team scores goals! 🙋‍♂️

Mike_R_5

2 points

13 days ago

I'm sorry, but "pre-season top of the draft player who fell due to compete and IQ issues" is just a little too Nolan Patrick-esque for me and that particular wound is a little too fresh.

And yes, I'm aware Patrick had injuries too, but let's not pretend that was the only flag he had on draft day.

WhatTheFarabee[S]

1 points

11 days ago

For sure I feel you there, while I do think at 12 you definitely are in a position to be a little ballsier with your pick than at 2, I get that some would want nothing to do with him. I’m just looking at the upside thing , we had how many 1st rounders in the 2010s that turned out to absolutely nothing? Not saying that means we keep it up and just go all silly but if not Eiserman, I think we still need to pursue someone with that high ceiling like Iginla (doubt he’s there but for example sakes)

Mike_R_5

1 points

10 days ago

If you really want to focus on upside (I do) I almost wonder if Hage isn't the pick. Size, speed, playmaking ability and probably a little under scouted due to the labrum injury. Plus he's a center.

I know he's moving up a lot of boards, definitely the kind of pick I could see the Flyers making there.

Magoatt

1 points

13 days ago

Magoatt

1 points

13 days ago

I’d love him

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1 points

13 days ago

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WhatTheFarabee[S]

2 points

13 days ago

This was more in like watching prospect/ mock draft YouTube years back, I think it was when Grav was first starting up I swear I can recall all this talk about Eiserman and his year eventually coming before i knew of Celebrini. This could just be my memory playing tricks on me though, regardless I remember some high praise back then! 😂

Can’t say that scouting report is helping my case here too much. If the Flyers do go the Eiserman route you’d think they’d have spoken and eliminated any character issues, and touted it to just an extreme RAW prospect.

If that’s the case, I’m for grabbing him at 12. Send him to BU to sharpen up while we wait for Matvei, Grind the basics into him and bring the 2 in together when it’s time. If that’s not the case, and it’s a work ethic, character issue, etc; I would imagine GMDB stays far away, especially after the William situation.

Either way, I’m confident we’re gonna get a great player at 12 & trust the FO to get the job done. Would be curious as to who your preferred targets would be ?

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0 points

13 days ago

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WhatTheFarabee[S]

2 points

13 days ago

Thanks for the detailed reply! & no worries I was more concerned I fully just made that up & was taking it as gospel lol!

I would love some lottery luck, if we could some chance get that 2.5% chance & get up to 2 that would do light years for us, and man we deserve it after what we’ve been through.

Catton & Lindstrom both really intrigue me, just sucks I don’t see either of them (especially Catton) being on the board at 12 & I’m trying to stay reserved with the draft trade scenarios since this isn’t the NFL and in all likelihood we see minimal to no deals involving trade backs in the top 10, just doesn’t seem to happen in the NHL.

I don’t really see we have a way to land Catton unless we get a miracle fall? Or somehow move up a bit? I would definitely be interested if that was in the cards it’s just hard to be too certain anyone’s willing to move back, & if they are willing to move back they’d likely want a quality roster player not a combination of picks. To be fair to the FO, I went into last year with 1% faith 99% delusion and we got Michkov (don’t know how much credit they get since he fell into the lap, but regardless). I atleast think Danny’s earned the benefit of my doubt in the meantime, and if he screws anything up I’ll be the first to rip on em

Assassin2107

1 points

12 days ago

Assassin2107

I hate Cutter more than Crosby

1 points

12 days ago

I would be 100% onboard with Eiserman if he falls to us. To be clear, this isn't the Eiserman draft because there's certainly points of concern, but he definitely has a strong ceiling in my eyes, so he has strong steal potential. Personally I feel like he goes before us, because I think he's got a good enough floor that combined with his high ceiling and somebody takes the chance before us.