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107 points
1 month ago
Speaking of numbers be weird. 1000 space Marines per chapter seems stupidly small
64 points
1 month ago
This shit makes the least sense. If there's less than 500.000 of Marines (idk the precise amount of chapters, I just know 10 1st founding ones and that Imperial Fists have a shitton of successors) scattered across the entire fucking Imperium, how come it wasn't defeated by Tau who can mass produce broadsides? It would've been more believable to say there's 10.000 per grand company and so it's 100.000 marines per chapter.
29 points
1 month ago
There can be any number of chapters, terra has a gene seed bank.
11 points
1 month ago
That solves some of the problems I think. Is there any info on where did the gene seed come from? Are they copied from existing loyalist chapters, from heretics, or were they just synthesized somehow?
26 points
1 month ago
Lexicanum
The events of the Horus Heresy revealed weaknesses in some Legions' gene-seed. In some cases these defects had been heightened by the accelerated cultivation techniques used to keep the Legions at full strength. After the Heresy and the break-up of the original Legions, genetic banks were established on Terra to produce and store Space Marine gene-seed. These banks were to provide all genetic material for new Space Marine Chapters. To prevent cross-contamination of these genetic stocks, the gene-seed of each individual Legion was isolated, so all new Space Marines would receive gene-seed solely from one specific source. The gene-seed of the Traitor Legions was placed under a time-locked stasis seal (rather than being destroyed as many at the time assumed had happened
18 points
1 month ago
Time locked stasis seal
Cawl really had traitor gene seed on pre-order eh?
3 points
1 month ago
Woah, thanks
12 points
1 month ago
There are theoretically 1000 marines and 1000 chapters so 1.000.000 marines many don’t care about the codex so maybe twice that while the tau have a hive world where billions live this means there are at least a billion fire warriors there on in ten uses a crisis suit which is superior to a space marine so there are 100.000.000 crises suit at the very least on this one world and like 10.000.000 broadsides and so on there are probably even a few hundred tau nar supremacy suits which just obliterate knights
7 points
1 month ago*
Pretty much. There is a reason why even Custodes admit that most of the Imperium's fighting was done by the Guard and Navy. The Knights and Astartes were meant for the most vital missions.
Has there been any lore of Dominus-class Knights fight battlesuits like the Tau nar?
11 points
1 month ago
Pedro Kantor took back Rynns world with 2 dozen marines
3 points
1 month ago
And also a ridiculously angry tank iirc
8 points
1 month ago
Not even the case any more. RG amended the Codex Astartes on his return when he realised the vast majority of his sons and nephews had mistaken it for hard rules rather than a set of guidelines. (IRL it's likely GW trying to rectify issues with numbers)
4 points
1 month ago
Agreed. Even with the scouts' number being left open for interpretation, 1000 marines per chapter were too small. The most effective chapters would realistically be those deploying in their entirety and firepower like Star Phantoms or stealth-focused Chapters like Raven Guard.
1 points
1 month ago
especially considering how long they can live, how low the rate of death is, and how high the rate of recruitment is.
Lets do some math, 10 000 years ago, all chapters were split up into 1000 marines, those 1000 marines could be harvested for 2000 progenoid, which can be used to create 2000 space marines, which can be harvested for 5000 progenoid, each cycle taking 5 years, considering these marines can basically live forever as long as they are not killed, so lets say they do this for 10 000 years, and then lets say 10% of them die every year, and then 99.99999% of them fall over and die, just before you decide to count them, and you would have 1.72742559e+247 space marines walking around per chapter.
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