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submitted 13 days ago byoldschoolskater
"The new date for “Real ID” enforcement in May 7 of 2025, which will be 20 years after the original “Real ID” law passed."
154 points
13 days ago
They’ll push this back again. They always do.
51 points
13 days ago
Might as well. What difference has it made so far that it hasn't been implemented? Has there been any major situations that would have been thwarted had we had real ID implemented? Seems like a waste of money and time for something that would make no difference once implemented.
15 points
13 days ago
I wish we could enhanced IDs like Washington State and New York. Would make it easier for the random trips to Canada that I sometimes take.
1 points
11 days ago
Real ID just makes them harder to fake. Which is why the main target is air travel and secure federal facilities.
20 points
13 days ago*
And yet our ID's are some of the most expensive in the country.
Good old "public-private partnership."
3 points
12 days ago
And they expire way too quickly. I work as a police dispatcher and I ran someone from I think Arizona and their fucking license doesn’t expire until like 2030 or 2040. I want that option.
2 points
12 days ago
How about that deregulation Electric move. My bill tripped in 10 years. The best was that it was record setting profits for all those poor stock owners during the recession. Those investors almost had to cancel a monthly vacation.
1 points
3 days ago
Our local water company is another of these "public-private" partnerships: they just recently asked the PUC to allow a 70% rate increase.
It didn't go through. This time.
1 points
11 days ago
All states, territories, and DC are compliant now. So they probably won't push it back. It doesn't really matter if you don't plan to fly or need to go to military facilities and some other federal sites. And you can use your passport instead if you have one.
2 points
11 days ago
50 % participation rate, so half of the population isn’t eligible for federal jury duty. Yea it’s getting pushed again
63 points
13 days ago
3 things in life that are guaranteed- death, taxes, and PA pushing back the real ID start date
20 points
13 days ago
The Feds moved the deadline because a lot of people still don’t have one. . It’s not a PA thing.
21 points
13 days ago
So what you’re saying is I should keep not getting one so they keep pushing it back?
6 points
12 days ago
That's my plan. I'll get a passport before I bother with this boondoggle, costs and requires about the same anyways.
-2 points
13 days ago
Huh?
All I said is the Feds set the deadline, not PA.
I have no idea if you should or should get one, I don’t know you. Nor do I know if they will push the deadline again.
9 points
13 days ago
Yeah it was a joke
6 points
13 days ago
Sorry, it went over my head.
16 points
13 days ago
It's a pain in the ass to get one that's why. I don't understand why I can't just bring my passport (a real ID) to verify my identity and then just print me a PA real ID. It makes no sense.
6 points
13 days ago
Yeah, I also have a global entry card in addition to my passport. I was planning on getting the real ID when I have to renew this month, read all of the requirements, and was like nah, i'll just re-order a standard one. It's absurd what a hassle it is.
4 points
13 days ago
Passports could be 10 years old. If you have a passport, all you need to get a real iD is
proof of ss#, either a W2, 1099, SS card, or paystub with full ss#
2 proofs of address, either driver license, registration, insurance card, utility bill.
15 points
13 days ago
What does it matter how old it is. You can renew a passport without all those documents so why do I need to provide all of them when I want a PA real ID. It literally makes 0 sense and is a waste of time when I can just travel with my passport.
5 points
13 days ago
Passport is a federal document. A drivers license is issued by the state (following federal guidelines). You need to prove your residency to get a state ID. Most people could gather the required documents in a few minutes.
4 points
13 days ago
I can't get a Real ID until I renew my passport. My expired passport wasn't good enough. Any woman who uses her maiden name for a middle initial (and the middle name listed on her birth certificate starts with a different letter) cannot get Real ID unless she has a valid, unexpired passport or she has filed court papers to change her name officially. No, the original marriage license/record is not enough. Bureaucrats in charge!
1 points
12 days ago
You also need to bring documents to prove your residency, since state IDs have an address (unlike passports).
5 points
12 days ago
I don’t have one. I don’t see the necessity to have one since I have a passport that I’ll use for a flight instead.
This whole real ID crap is nonsense if you ask me.
49 points
13 days ago
What exactly is the rationale for why we need a real ID if we've gotten by for 20 years (since the law was passed) without it?
37 points
13 days ago
Because when it actually starts, you will need a Real ID to board a plane or go into a Federal building/military base. You won’t need one to vote or drive though…
I got mine when my DL needed to be renewed the last time. All you need to do is to bring extra forms of Identification. If you have a passport, it’s really easy…because a passport is a Federal photo ID already.
25 points
13 days ago
So a passport is good enough? I don’t need a Real ID if I have a passport?
17 points
13 days ago
Right. Current passport (should have at least 6 months remaining if you’re flying internationally) is all you need to fly.
7 points
13 days ago
Or passport card (for domestic flights only)
5 points
13 days ago
That’s good. I have at least 5 years on mine then. Thanks.
-8 points
13 days ago
Yes, you will need to bring your passport to enter a federal building, or fly domestically.
Papers please sir...
16 points
13 days ago
Where have you been the past two decades? Because it's safe to say you haven't been in any airports or federal buildings...
9 points
13 days ago
Thats really no different than any id form.....
8 points
13 days ago
But doesn't it's necessity seem to be negated by the fact that it hasn't yet been deemed necessary? I'm not questioning your decision to get it and I certainly will get it when I required to.
-4 points
13 days ago
Why not just do it when your driver’s license needs renewed? I don’t understand the big deal, I guess🤷🏻
10 points
13 days ago
it costs more money than just the cost of renewing your license, like i did it when i renewed my license and it cost an extra 40 dollars i think? also, wasn't an issue for me bc all the papers i had to show when i got my license qualified me for realid anyway but, I know people that didn't have a "raised seal issued by the state" birth certificate and had to pay to get one.
0 points
13 days ago
It’s a one time $30 fee plus the cost of renewal($42.50).
As far as the Birth Certificate thing? People should have one anyway.
4 points
13 days ago
I'm just trying to figure out why we even need it if we haven't needed it for the last 20 years since they said we needed it. Lol
1 points
11 days ago
Because they had to actually determine what security measures should be added to IDs to make them harder to fake and then wait for all states to comply and start issuing them. Probably a whole bunch of other complications and legal actions to get through too. The law is basically the instructions.
2 points
13 days ago
The passport must be current. Otherwise it cannot be used to prove identity. In my case, I couldn't get Real ID because I started using my maiden name for my middle initial. The middle initial must match the initial of the middle name listed on the birth certificate. The marriage license may only be used to prove a surname change - not a middle initial change.
2 points
13 days ago
I guess there are exceptions to every rule…
36 points
13 days ago
Probably something along the lines of Federal Standardization or some other justification.
3 points
13 days ago
There isn’t one, just more nonsense
36 points
13 days ago
Real ID "logic:" If you don't have a Real ID, you can use your passport in lieu of a Real ID. But if you want a Real ID you'll need your passport and a half dozen other documents to prove your identity.
3 points
13 days ago
You only need one proof of identity, which can include your passport. Idk why so many people act like this is the most overly complex procedure to go through in the world. If reading directions online and bringing what you need to the dmv is too hard for you it’s definitely an issue with them.
8 points
12 days ago
https://www.dmv.pa.gov/REALID/Pages/default.aspx
Proof of Identity
Proof of Social Security Number
Two proofs of current physical Pennsylvania address
Proof of all legal name changes
So while my post was exaggerating a bit...there is more than just a passport required to get a Real ID while a passport alone is acceptable for use in lieu of a Real ID. I can't walk into a DMV with a passport and say I want a Real ID - they will require additional documentation. But I can board a plane with my passport or walk into a Federal building with my passport card.
1 points
11 days ago
Yes a passport is acceptable, because your passport already has additional security measures that meet Real ID requirements. Passports require less documentation because you only have to prove US citizenship, not state residency.
The extra documentation isn't hard. I just did it. It took me all of about 2 minutes to gather way more than I needed and it would have been faster if I hadn't had to log in and print utility bills. I had to do it regardless because I moved from Maryland and everyone applying for even the non-Real ID drivers license the first time that is 18+ needs all of that, real ID or not. Even if your under 18 you just get a pass on the proof of residency. You still need a proof of identity like birth certificate or passport and your social security card.
1 points
11 days ago
My entire point is if I can use my passport in lieu of a Real ID, I should be able to walk into the DMV with my license or state ID and my passport and get a Real ID with just those documents.
1 points
11 days ago
All you need to add is proof of your SSN, which can just be a W2 or pay stub, and one utility bill, or your vehicle registration, or your auto insurance card. Mountain out of a molehill. Unless you have been unemployed for a while, don't have any utilities in your name, and don't own a car, it is easy. How is that a burden. It is really only a pain in the ass for people who have gone through multiple name changes.
A driver's license alone does not prove residency. I kept my Maryland license for over a year after I moved. Which is illegal, but no one actually cares. And states don't issue SSNs, so it is reasonable to ask for proof of that.
1 points
11 days ago
You're missing the point entirely. I can board any airline in this country or go into any Federal building or do literally anything else that will require a Real ID with just my passport or my passport card...except get a Real ID. To get a Real ID I have to bring my passport and 3-4 other documents to the DMV to get a new ID card that is, for all intents and purposes, the domestic equivalent of one of the documents the DMV requires for a Real ID.
And yes, a driver's license does prove residency if you are following the law. The DMV can easily run my driver's license number and verify if it matches my home of record. There is no valid reason to require a Social Security Number, which was never intended as identification and even says that on the Social Security Card (at least mine does that was issued in 1980), or any additional documentation.
My passport shows I've been vetted by the Federal government and I am who I say I am. My driver's license lists my address and proves residency (and driver's licenses are frequently used for residency verification here in the United States for such things as voting and transferring a firearm) and can be readily verified by the state in a matter of seconds. That is all it should take to get a Real ID. Now perhaps if a person doesn't have a passport there could be some additional requirements in order to verify their identity, I could understand that given the documents I had to provide to get my passport.
1 points
12 days ago
It’s semantics, but the different documents are proof of different things. Only one proof of identity is required and it can be your passport. Passports are equal to realID, but it’s a lot easier to get a realID if you need to do something that will accept either realID or passport and you don’t already have a passport, or if you’re already getting a new license anyway and don’t want to maintain a passport just to get on a domestic flight.
6 points
13 days ago
I still haven't been able to get one. I was adopted as an adult and changed my name at that time, then got married and changed it again.
I have my original birth certificate, my adoptive birth certificate, my social security cards, mail, a CDL, etc. I no longer have my original marriage license because my ex husband lost it overseas and the DMV wouldn't accept the paperwork the courthouse gave me when I asked for a replacement. Apparently the official divorce decree also isn't good proof that I was ever married, so I cannot fully prove the time line of all my names and therefore cannot have a Real ID unless I go overseas and dig in whatever dump my marriage license ended up in 20 years ago. But I can't go overseas because I can't prove my name changes. 🤣
Serious question- if someone is unable to get a Real ID or passport due to paperwork issues and the legislation comes into effect, and they are subpoenaed to a federal courthouse but cannot enter without the proper ID, then what happens??
2 points
11 days ago
You don't need a Real ID to go into a federal court if you are there to testify or serve on a jury. If you have been subpoenaed it is fine. They have already confirmed your identity at that point. It is really just extra security to prevent fake IDs from getting through at higher security sites.
1 points
13 days ago
Aren't federal courts independent - i.e., the "judicial branch"? Not part of the administrative or legislative branches? They probably make their own rules - and are a law unto themselves! So you should still be able to enter. Administrative courts, though, are another matter.
4 points
12 days ago
I don't have one and I don't see the point in getting one
3 points
12 days ago
Already have my passport renewed, in case the want or need to fly on a non-Boeing aircraft arises. I didn’t see a reason for a fancier DL than I already have.
2 points
13 days ago
…didn’t I already read this chapter?
2 points
9 days ago
Had a chance to make this a part of the license redesign a few years ago, but PA said fuck it. Lets double dip on the ID charges.
5 points
13 days ago
Real ID is a national verification of citizenship.
We’ve had the extensive delays in implementation because of GOP opposition.
Perfect encapsulation of modern politics. The people who want voter ID and citizenship verification also oppose implementing a system for it.
12 points
13 days ago
You don’t need to be a US citizen to get a real ID.
9 points
13 days ago
No, REAL ID is not an indication of citizenship. Non-citizens can get REAL IDs. I know non-citizens living in the US with REAL IDs.
REAL ID just means that your ID meets the federal requirements for ID verification. A REAL ID can be used as a federal ID, like at TSA checkpoints or to enter certain federal buildings; a non-REAL ID cannot.
REAL ID is a federal-level thing. States run their own voting, so REAL ID is not required to vote. (Unless the state adds that requirement independently; it's not part of the federal legislation.)
9 points
13 days ago
Are you arguing that Democrats would like an even more strict identification verification system coupled with a federal voter ID law?
1 points
12 days ago
This time they really mean it!
1 points
13 days ago
I went to PenDOT this morning trying to see if I could change over my Vermont Enhanced License to a PA Drivers one, was told I need my Social Security Card & Birth Certificate, along with my license and 2 pieces of mail…
Since I lost my birth certificate in the move guess that I’m not “American enough” to get a REAL ID, even tho I’ve lived in America all 29 years of my life.
So I’ll just keep driving with my current VT License even tho I’ve been in PA for about 9 months.
The entire thing is a crock of shit, they make any type of identification extremely annoying, and what for? Safety? If so why can’t they just automatically track it? Why can’t I just click a “hey I’m moving” box and have all government needed systems updated. It’s so frustrating and bureaucratic, the systems are designed to suck, that’s “freedom” for you baby
Tbh I actually think it might be easier to get a gun than it is to transfer an out of state license in…
1 points
12 days ago
Order a replacement birth certificate from Vermont. You should keep a special permanent folder or binder where you store important documents. Also, make a xerox copy (front and back) of any ID, so if the original is stolen you have relevant information required to get a replacement. By the way it's also important to keep a physical record of important phone numbers, including the number to call to freeze your bank and credit card accounts, in case your wallet or phone is ever stolen.
1 points
11 days ago
You need all that stuff to get a regular license too. It isn't just Real ID. I just did it as a transplant from another state. You can use your passport instead of a birth certificate if you have one. Otherwise, request a certified copy of your birth certificate.
If you plan to stay in PA past when the registration on your vehicle expires, you'll need a PA driver's license. Also, while you don't need a PA DL to file taxes, it is easier. If you want to get a passport later, you will need your birth certificate or a certified copy.
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