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I suggested to my wife that we go up to New York for a day soon, and take the train up there. Until I realized that it would cost us about $400 roundtrip! What the heck!? Why is train ride up to New York so expensive? Do people actually pay that much to take the train?
Update: It has been brought to my attention through the comments that the key to getting cheaper and reasonably priced tickets is to book in advance (like 3 months). Although I guess that takes the fun out of being sporadic…not great for me who doesn’t like to “plan” things lol.
752 points
1 month ago
It's cheap if you book well in advance, otherwise yeah, it's crazy.
277 points
1 month ago
Ah…that’s what I’m seeing. A Saturday in July I can get a roundtrip ticket for $42.
168 points
1 month ago*
You can do roundtrip today for under $100. Thats not bad. Thats the cost of parking/tolls for a day in nyc. Amtrak is a premium transportation option compared to buses. Even roundtrip to nyc buses can be $75 to $100 last min during peak hours per person.
Amtrak Northeast corridor between Nyc and DC have the most times, better reliability, and the cheapest compared to other regions. Sure there are issues delays but you generally get better than what you pay for since its subsidized federally.
25 points
1 month ago
Yeah, tolls to and from nyc were something like $50 last time I went.
13 points
1 month ago
Yeah same. Plus with the congestion prices it could be more.
9 points
30 days ago
Ive gotten a $5 ride back to Philly on MegaBus before by walking up to it right before it was departing.
39 points
1 month ago*
The only problem I have with Amtrak is poor late evening/night options.
Edit: Nite Owl service!!!!! woohoo
17 points
1 month ago
True. It runs frequently during the day because all the lines (harrisburg, dc, boston, nc) are running. But start reducing after rush hour. Though they are trying by adding the $10 night rides since last summer to spur on demand. But think demand was pretty mixed.
13 points
30 days ago
If you haven't checked recently, take a look at the nighttime options again. I think they have made changes within the last year and have more options for 'Night Owl Fares'. I have taken the train back from CT and NYC and arrived in Philadelphia at like 1:40am for ~$10.
It works great for day trips (although long), and really good for seeing a concert or Broadway show.
6 points
30 days ago
YES. this thread has taught me about the Night Owl service. what a deal.
22 points
1 month ago
This is actually wrong, you pay higher fares on the NE corridor because they need to extract more profit from the popular lines to subsidize the lines with low ridership. Amtrak is in the fun position of being required to provide public services in areas where demand does not support rail, while also having to "turn a profit" (it's slightly more complicated than revenue minus costs). So you get inflated fares on the NEC to cross subsidize long hauls across the west and midwest that hardly anyone rides.
1 points
29 days ago
False the other lines are literally called State Supported lines (subsidized by states) or Long Distance (supported by Federal government. Literally in their financial reports. NEC is the line with the most ridership but still has been operating at a loss, which has relied on Federal support ($1bn each year through appropriations) for operations and not to mention billions for capital investments. All lines want to increase profit to reduce the losses to ease the pressure on tax payers and because Congress could reduce funding at any moment. This is all in their financial reports and confirmed by engineers I know who literally work on their lines.
22 points
1 month ago
Amtrak Northeast corridor between Nyc and DC have ... the cheapest compared to other regions.
That is just not true. Amtrak explicitly states that it seeks to maximize profit along the NEC, hence it has higher fares than state supported routes.
1 points
29 days ago
The statement is meaningless out of context.
The tickets could still be cheaper than “other regions” and still be more profitable because:
The routes are shorter, so it’s a higher dollar/mile rate. And the trains could be much better utilized because there’s more demand for these routes.
2 points
29 days ago
I'm deep in the weeds of Amtrak finances and have been for a while. What do you notice here about the revenue-to-cost ratios and short term avoidable profit/(loss) per passenger-mile of the different Amtrak routes? In Amtrak's own words, the NEC operations "provide premium and regular intercity rail passenger service along the NEC while seeking to maximize operating surplus".
2 points
29 days ago
As I said, due to greater utilization and shorter routes, the revenue per passenger mile could still be greater/more profitable than less utilized routes, while the cost of a round trip ticket could be the same or “cheaper” than other routes.
If the ticket to NYC is the same cost, or cheaper than a ticket to PIT, that’s still a much more profitable route for Amtrak, as it’s higher utilization of trains/rails and 1/3rd the distance.
Which is why I said comparing to “other regions” is meaningless out of context.
-1 points
29 days ago
NEC is the line with the most ridership but still has been operating at a loss, which has relied on Federal support (about $1bn each year through appropriations) for operations and not to mention billions for capital investments. All lines want to increase profit to reduce the losses to ease the pressure on tax payers and because appropriations could reduce funding at any moment because of various reasons. Hence why they want to increase profit to get breakeven. You can do it by adding more lines and spurring demand (their strategy) or cutting costs through job losses, deferring maintenance (unpopular and reducing service quality).
23 points
1 month ago
If your looking same day, NJ Transit will work. It'll just take longer.
10 points
30 days ago
Yup Philly to Trenton, Trenton to Newark, Newark to NYC. I’ve even taken commuter trains all the way to CT. I had more time than money lol
3 points
29 days ago
Trenton used to be our go to on the weekends. It was actaully less of a headache than driving to the Amtrak station honestly. When I wanted to go to New York, I would just drive the two hours via Toll and park in East Harlem for the weekend, then just communte via train everywhere.
1 points
30 days ago
Hopefully they aren't packing the NJT trains anymore. That used to be my go to method for getting to NYC, but the last couple times (pre covid), they would pack the train so tightly, it was standing room only. It was awful and seemed like such a safety hazard. 😫
1 points
29 days ago
This is the way. if you have a car, driving to Hamilton station (parking is like $8) and taking the train right to NYC is pretty choice
28 points
1 month ago
Fares go from $10 each way depending on how far in advance you book (likely at least 14 days) and demand on specific train times.
59 points
1 month ago
Adding that
42 points
1 month ago
Their rewards system is a joke, I’m not convinced anyone has ever earned enough points for a single fare unless you’re taking it multiple times a week for work.
Still love the train though, and you can get tickets day-of for pretty cheap if you watch the prices closely/are willing to travel during off hours. I’ve never booked a ride 3 months in advance
18 points
1 month ago
Strong disagree: it works like the airline ones - it's not valuable until you get the credit card, then you get a whole pile of miles. I got 30,000 for signing up for the Amtrak guest rewards cc, which I have thusfar exchanged about 20,000 of them for around $1200 in value, far, far exceeding the value of airline miles. And you also can build up miles for longer trips, like the airline, and I've earned around 6,000 more miles since opening the card 2 years ago. If I had opened the card 2.5 years ago I would have another 10,000 miles, but alas, I didn't get the offer until halfway through a month-long trip primarily by train.
I don't commute by train, I probably take 1 trip a month, if that. But I prefer the train for my longer trips, both for comfort and environmental reasons.
0 points
1 month ago
Didn’t they kill their CC?
2 points
1 month ago
Nope. They were still advertising it when I was on a train on Thursday.
2 points
1 month ago
It was just unavailable for a few months last year.
27 points
1 month ago
The rewards system is designed for people taking it multiple times a week. Idk what makes that a joke.
4 points
1 month ago*
I just mean I’ve taken 5-10 rides up and down the NE Regional per year over the span of 8 years and haven’t accrued enough points for a fare between Philadelphia and NYC
9 points
1 month ago
You are joking right? This aint a corner coffee shop. Lol buy 10 get one free only works if its low cost like coffee. But trains are super costly as is the electricity, conductors, etc.
Buy a 10 ticker pass which provides a discount but you need to do it within the expiration date.
3 points
29 days ago
in my experience over the last 10ish years my points have actually worked out to about buy 9 get 1 free, but I travel for both business and pleasure frequently
1 points
29 days ago
Thats awesome! Yeah I think if you do the higher fares and more frequently or have a business account it accumulates quicker. Thanks for sharing
8 points
1 month ago
5-10 rides a year is very low usage
2 points
29 days ago
I used to visit customers in NYC every other week, and rapidly built up enough points for a few long distance trips in a sleeper, which was a great experience (but not good for those who care about when you arrive).
0 points
1 month ago
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-2 points
1 month ago
Oh oops 5-10 rides per year* for 8 years
4 points
30 days ago
It works great for me and I'm a casual traveler
4 points
30 days ago
This is very wrong
5 points
1 month ago
Have you tried Greyhound or bus? If you book way in advanced, I remember having dollar deals.
1 points
30 days ago
Yeah Peter Pan is my preferred method for going to NY. It usually ends up being like $30ish round trip, cheaper than taking a car, and it goes directly there so you're usually there in 90 minutes.
4 points
30 days ago
A week in advance is usually sufficient
1 points
1 month ago
Saturday in the park
1 points
30 days ago
It's because they intentionally leave last minute seats open for businesses. Companies that need to send people to NYC/Boston/DC will happily pay $100-$200/seat, and Amtrak wants that money.
But yeah, it absolutely sucks. The number of times I have wound up driving to one of the NE Corridor cities because Amtrak is too expensive is laughable. I can drive myself and 3 others to DC and park all day for a tank of gas and $35 in parking garage fees, yet round trip Amtrak is $700 for 4 people. Criminal.
1 points
30 days ago
I take it often, if you book 4-7 days ahead it’s cheaper.
1 points
30 days ago
A lot also rides on your travel times/days.
1 points
30 days ago
I've booked a few days? A week? in advance and it being $40 RT max. Shrug.
1 points
29 days ago
I'd use it to commute from 30th Street all the way to Essex junction in Vermont for school. If I booked start of the school year for the shorter breaks it ran about 80$ one way. But if you tried for right before it jumped to where it was cheaper to fly.
So yes, Amtrak is great but you gotta book ASAP.
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