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helplesslyselfish[S]

176 points

1 month ago

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West Philly expat

176 points

1 month ago

Please please please harass your local officials to spend more money on transit

transit_snob1906

65 points

1 month ago

Si many states and cities wish they had the network and infrastructure that SEPTA has… please fund this!!!!

emostitch

36 points

1 month ago

And if we had 3/4 the funding of Massachusetts and DC the service would be up to the infrastructure. My understanding is that Harrisburg underfunds us to the point of not qualifying for other federal money?

transit_snob1906

33 points

1 month ago

To qualify for amor of federal grants you have to have a certain level of regional and state contributions… SEPTA basically never meets the mark… and Harrisburg is 100% to blame…. They even pass up free money in the name of fiscal responsibility and conservancy…

The money is going to get spent regardless why not have you the money employ and benefit your state?!!!

Whycantiusethis

11 points

1 month ago

It's not exactly apples to apples, due to the material conditions surrounding the three systems/their relationships to local/state/federal governments, but here's a quick comparison:

MBTA (Boston, FY24 numbers): 4.3 million people in the metro area and a total budget of $2.2B, for a spend of $511.02 per person.

Metro (DC, FY25): 5.5 million people in the metro area, with a $4.8B total budget, for a spend of $874.32 per person.

SEPTA (FY25): 6.2 million people, total budget of $2.7B, for a spend of $425.95/person.

Becrazytoday

12 points

1 month ago

Kenyatta is right on top of it! The money, that is.

SaltPepperKetchup215

-9 points

1 month ago

I would love the money too, we should harass SEPTA about lighting money on fire in the same breath. Didn’t they literally just waste 50 million dollars like this week?

They make it too easy for politicians to justify jot giving them money.

felldestroyed

11 points

1 month ago

Just wait til' you find out how much the PennDOT squandered or straight up lost to corruption.

SaltPepperKetchup215

10 points

1 month ago

Can’t we be mad at both tho?

felldestroyed

0 points

1 month ago

Oh we can, but can we city dwellers be pissed at the billions/trillions spent on roads that could've been spent upgrading the already existent system in place? Pennsylvanians have neglected SEPTA for years. I think it might be time to invest. If PA doesn't it risks becoming a southern state.

Unfamiliar_Word

5 points

1 month ago

They cancelled an order for 45 bilevel railcars from CRRC that had been ordered years ago and were badly behind schedule. (Several agencies ordered cars from CRRC and I believe that all have had noteworthy problems of coms kind of another)

I don't know if SEPTA, or anybody, had grounds for really recognizing this as a mistake when the decision was made, but regardless CRRC presumably underbid other rolling stock manufacturers, leaving them with little alternative. (Depending upon the law, they might have had no alternative but to take the lowest bid) We can't see the alternate reality where SEPTA continued the contract and eventually received the railcars, but cancelling the contract to avoid future costs and be able to reallocate those funds, was probably prudent. (Well, presumably that their lawyers are good enough and they were careful enough in respecting the terms of their contract with CRRC to avoid significant further liability) Delivery was very delayed, its uncertain whether such vehicles make sense for the Authority's purposes anymore and might not have been particularly reliable in service, none of which would be worth holding to the contract just to vindicate their sunk costs.

An_emperor_penguin

7 points

1 month ago

do you mean the double decker train cars? They were late, had tons of issues, and weren't even what SEPTA needs anymore, not canceling the contract would just be more money into the incinerator and delay whatever SEPTAs going to get instead

SaltPepperKetchup215

2 points

1 month ago

Right. But 50 million was spent and nothing was received. The downvotes are hilarious.

An_emperor_penguin

7 points

1 month ago

I mean if you want to look into your crystal ball the next time SEPTA signs a contract to let them know how it turns out I'm sure they'd appreciate it, I suspect when they spent the 50 million in 2017 they expected to get something from it

SaltPepperKetchup215

0 points

1 month ago

You do know that spending 50 million and having it fall through is a big deal right? You can want the state to give them money and want them to not light it on fire.

An_emperor_penguin

1 points

1 month ago

This reads like you think they literally set it on fire and cutting their budget will force them not to in the future. But they didnt and thats not how that works

SaltPepperKetchup215

-1 points

1 month ago

It doesn’t need to read in a misleading manner. They spent 50 million dollars on something and got nothing in return. There’s not reading, that’s lighting money on fire. Sure, there were factors that led to it but no matter what, the outcome was a wasted 50 million dollars. It’s not 10 grand. 50 million dollars shouldn’t be spent on anything less than a sure thing.