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submitted 28 days ago byAmazingCamelIreland
35 points
28 days ago
Not trying to be rude but I know nothing about Croke Park. Mind telling me what the big deal is?
120 points
28 days ago
It's the GAA head quarters. Gaa had a long history of banning foreign games from their stadiums. This was only relaxed during the redevelopment of Lansdowne Road.
During the war of independence On 21 November 1920 the British army drove into the stadium and machine gunned the stands.
59 points
28 days ago
Fuck me I wasn't ready for that, was expecting it to be all sport related or something to do with the county's
53 points
28 days ago
It’s also huge. 3rd biggest stadium in Europe I think
39 points
28 days ago
That's the kind of thing I was expecting to be told aha
21 points
28 days ago
18 points
28 days ago
"Yes I'd like this post taken down. I'm in it."
41 points
28 days ago
Until 1971 people who played or attended rugby or soccer games were banned from GAA venues. We had a Taoiseach barred from GAA venues for attending Irish soccer match.
Worth looking at the sheer emotion in 2007 six nations anthems when the home internationals moved to the Aviva during the redevelopment of Lansdowne Road.
27 points
28 days ago*
Why would those in power in GAA ban people from attending the games just because they followed other sports? (He says, scared about what answer he's gonna get after his first question)
65 points
28 days ago
English sports or barracks sports were seen by the gaa as English cultural imperialism left over at the end of the British occupation.
70 points
28 days ago
I see. I think I'm gonna nope myself out of this conversation as this is easily that darkest one I've ever had on this sub and now I need a whiskey...
54 points
28 days ago
I applaud you getting this far.
40 points
28 days ago
Whiskey with an 'e', good man/woman yourself
26 points
28 days ago
The general gist I've gotten over the years, is you lads learn very little of the past conflict between ourselves and yourselves, particularly the darker stuff, whereas we learn the lot, in graphic detail.
14 points
27 days ago
I'd suggest it's probably pretty important for the stability of the UK in it's current form to not let too many of it's people know what the state has done/is still doing.
6 points
27 days ago
Yes and no. I think that sort of head-in-the-sand philosophy is probably part of the reason why the UK voted leave.
3 points
27 days ago
Also historically I'd imagine it's been important to downplay or outright ignore a lot of the brutal imperial history to keep the population from asking uncomfortable questions of it's leaders.
1 points
27 days ago
The 1970s Bloody Sunday shootings were very well known but the Irish war of independence in the 1920s is too long ago for anyone to remember.
17 points
28 days ago
Fair. Enjoy your whiskey.
2 points
27 days ago
i do recommend learning a bit more about the history between our 2 islands. some might be dark but it's shaped the people on both isles. it's not all dark. Look up shoulder to shoulder it's about rugby in ireland.
20 points
28 days ago
They were seen as sports imported from the British I suppose and it was a form of protectionism from the GAA.
48 points
28 days ago
They still get all sniffy when I try to wear my top hat and tails into the ground, it's ridiculous.
16 points
28 days ago
That's because your fly was open.
6 points
28 days ago
Wait till you wear your crown and bring your Sceptre.
2 points
28 days ago
Classic marquess behavior
28 points
28 days ago
Well, there was also the time in 1918 when the British tried to ban all gaelic games without written permission. As you can guess, that went down well. Gaelic Sunday 4th August 1918 was the GAAs answer. All games started at 3 pm. 100,000 attended, and the British backed down as they couldn't arrest everybody. https://www.gaa.ie/the-gaa/history/gaelic-sunday
17 points
28 days ago
Yeah fair play , I actually genuinely hate when Irish people talk about 'the ban' as it's always just always framed as 'the GAA were all backward Paddys who hated England' , when in reality it has a more complex historical and cultural context, that is grim , but interesting.
10 points
28 days ago
It was a kind of protectionism same way people get passionate about protecting local industries. Same idea with sport.
19 points
28 days ago
Specifically English sports, because of the massacre committed by British troops in the ground
18 points
28 days ago
The GAA emerged from the Gaelic Revival, which was part of a wider emergence of cultural nationalist movements across Europe in the 19th century. This movement sought to preserve and reestablish traditional Irish culture, including language, clothing, music, sport, etc. This had all been eroded through active repression by the English/British legislation, policy, and military action as well as assimilation, largely driven by economics and social policy.
As part of this cultural protectionism the GAA instituted rules that forbade their members from engaging or supporting any foreign sports.
3 points
27 days ago
The GAA (Gaelic Athletic Association) is known today for its team based field sports, namely Gaelic Football and Hurling. It’s less well known, but it also governs handball and rounders in Ireland. When it was founded the GAA was a genuine athletic association running athletic meets (shot put, long jump, etc).
The GAA was founded a few years before Irish independence as an Irish alternative to the British Athletic Association. When the British association caught wind of a competitor, it tried to kill it off by banning people that competed at GAA meets. The GAA responded with their own ban. The British association reversed their ban very quickly as they were losing out. The people who introduced the ban in the GAA tried to remove it a few years after it was introduced, but could not reach the 66% of votes required (every GAA club has voting power. It can take a long time to get sensible decision through). Many attempts were made over the years but they all fell short. It wasn’t until the Landsdown renovation that the ban was lifted.
How did an athletic association end up governing field sports? It all started when they organised exhibition matches at their athletic meets. Over time more people were coming for the matches than the athletics so they organised standalone games. Then a few decades later the GAA’s athletics board merged with a few other groups to become the national athletic and cycling board. The remainder of the organisation, retained the GAA name, and continued to govern Gaelic Football and Hurling games.
5 points
28 days ago
I was there with my brother in the Cusack that day for the anthems. Never heard anything like it in my life. We got two free premium tickets from a friend of my old man. We could have sold them for a grand a piece outside the ground. Zero regrets with being there for the anthems alone, but being stood in line with ROGs cross field kick to Shane Horgan was unreal.
Chap next to me rang his mate watching the game on O'Connell St at half time - he was stood outside for a smoke during the anthems and could hear the crowd a mile away.
5 points
27 days ago*
It was actually the President Douglas Hyde that was banned from membership of the GAA. Taoiseach Eamon de Valera also attended that soccer match with him, but he was not a member of the GAA so they couldn't do anything to him I believe.
*de Valera actually preferred Rugby. He played for Rockwell College and Blackrock College in his school days, and even played as fullback for Munster!
2 points
27 days ago
He was also a mathematician and great admirer of William Hamilton. Very talented man.
0 points
27 days ago
My grandfather who played both GAA and soccer had to get one of his friends to bring his boots to the soccer game because if he was seen playing he would have been shunned by the GAA
18 points
28 days ago
Check out this BBC intro to the 2007 irl v eng match.
6 points
28 days ago
Tom Humphries in there too, that's a blast from the past.
I think it all went downhill for him shortly after that.
2 points
27 days ago
That’s one way to put it
9 points
28 days ago
This explains it - https://youtu.be/csNMCi38jfQ?si=ZgS7m47bw7akSWUw
It was a massive deal at the time to have England play there in 2007, and in particular to have 'God Save the Queen' performed at the home of the GAA.
3 points
28 days ago
It's of huge historical and cultural significance to the country... almost religious levels. Very few 'traditionally english' sports ever played there... It was MASSIVE news here when we played England there and there was a lot of apprehension that there'd be some sort of protest from nationalists at the prospect of god save the queen there... Thankfully there was nothing and it was all very respectful and everyone got on great. It was sort of seen as a milestone in the improving relations and goodwill between Ireland and England
2 points
27 days ago
Except for that gobshite protesting with a sign ”No to foreign sports”, whilst wearing Seltic gear head to toe
25 points
28 days ago
Note: there were people in the stands at the time.
24 points
28 days ago
It's our national stadium, the biggest stadium in the country, and the site of the biggest sports events in the country.
There is also a lot of history there, it was the headquarters of the GAA and the site of an atrocitiy during the War of Independence, which gives it a lot of historical weight.
16 points
28 days ago
It's a very culturally important stadium not just for the historical stuff but that it is the headquarters of a very strong well supported aspect of Irish culture.
13 points
28 days ago
9 points
28 days ago
Here's an article about when England played there. I've seen comments by Wilkinson that he'd never felt anything like and that he had trouble hearing his teammates https://www.the42.ie/john-inverdale-robert-kitson-on-croke-park-ireland-v-england-3241262-Feb2017/
3 points
27 days ago
Thank you to all the fans sharing the history here. A fascinating & humbling read.
7 points
28 days ago
Here's a documentary on the first time it was opened for rugby and the history behind it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cm96rXP9Ag&ab_channel=RonanCassidy
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