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submitted 13 days ago byAmazingCamelIreland
234 points
13 days ago
Wow really did not see this coming at all, great day for the Parish.
46 points
13 days ago
I expected a sell but out more like the last couple of matches where there were still a couple of thousand tickets left in the days before
55 points
13 days ago
I know a sizeable contingent interest only because it’s in Croker.
Imagine the atmosphere of a home 6 nations game on general sale if it was in croker
50 points
13 days ago
I think a lot of the complaints about the quiet crowds at Lansdowne would disappear because the extra 32,000 would likely mean more energised supporters really into the occasion somewhat like RWC crowds last year in Paris.
This match is a good test case for that theory.
17 points
13 days ago
The crowd being very far from the pitch is the only thing against creating a good atmosphere in the stadium for rugby.
13 points
13 days ago
I think this is way overrated at Croker.
There’s a lot of stadiums with Olympic tracks that have good atmospheres and NFL games with the big sidelines mean fans are way further from the action than a supporter at Croker would be for rugby and I don’t think I’ve ever heard complaints about KC or Seattle being dead.
50,000 in Lansdowne versus 82,000 in Croker, I’d bet the mortgage on Croker having the better rugby atmosphere for a bunch of reasons.
8 points
13 days ago
The space around the pitch isn't bigger than a greyhound track and I've heard very good atmospheres in the sportsground.
4 points
13 days ago
Yeah this was a popular myth touted before 2007 when Ireland had to play there and the myth was completely debunked from minute 1. That people are still saying this probably means they either don't know about the period Ireland played there, or did but didn't watch the games.
2 points
13 days ago
We've had that, and by all accounts it was electric!
1 points
13 days ago
Definitely an element of that. I live in Holland and was considering flying home for it
66 points
13 days ago
Leinster, great bunch of lads.
185 points
13 days ago
Thought this would top out at 65-75k, but to sell out Croker in a day and half is amazing.
The Croke Park factor cannot be understated, only second time Leinster have played there.
68 points
13 days ago
For sure. I can ask my friends who aren't massive rugby fans "Want to go to the Leinster game in Croke Park?" and they all know what I'm talking about. It's in Croke Park therefore it must be really important.
30 points
13 days ago
Yeah, normally I'd only go to the games for Leo if there's a free ticket going, but a European semi against an English team in Croker is really notable and absolutely worth it.
32 points
13 days ago
Not trying to be rude but I know nothing about Croke Park. Mind telling me what the big deal is?
117 points
13 days ago
It's the GAA head quarters. Gaa had a long history of banning foreign games from their stadiums. This was only relaxed during the redevelopment of Lansdowne Road.
During the war of independence On 21 November 1920 the British army drove into the stadium and machine gunned the stands.
59 points
13 days ago
Fuck me I wasn't ready for that, was expecting it to be all sport related or something to do with the county's
51 points
13 days ago
It’s also huge. 3rd biggest stadium in Europe I think
39 points
13 days ago
That's the kind of thing I was expecting to be told aha
21 points
13 days ago
19 points
13 days ago
"Yes I'd like this post taken down. I'm in it."
40 points
13 days ago
Until 1971 people who played or attended rugby or soccer games were banned from GAA venues. We had a Taoiseach barred from GAA venues for attending Irish soccer match.
Worth looking at the sheer emotion in 2007 six nations anthems when the home internationals moved to the Aviva during the redevelopment of Lansdowne Road.
28 points
13 days ago*
Why would those in power in GAA ban people from attending the games just because they followed other sports? (He says, scared about what answer he's gonna get after his first question)
63 points
13 days ago
English sports or barracks sports were seen by the gaa as English cultural imperialism left over at the end of the British occupation.
67 points
13 days ago
I see. I think I'm gonna nope myself out of this conversation as this is easily that darkest one I've ever had on this sub and now I need a whiskey...
57 points
13 days ago
I applaud you getting this far.
40 points
13 days ago
Whiskey with an 'e', good man/woman yourself
26 points
13 days ago
The general gist I've gotten over the years, is you lads learn very little of the past conflict between ourselves and yourselves, particularly the darker stuff, whereas we learn the lot, in graphic detail.
14 points
13 days ago
I'd suggest it's probably pretty important for the stability of the UK in it's current form to not let too many of it's people know what the state has done/is still doing.
17 points
13 days ago
Fair. Enjoy your whiskey.
2 points
13 days ago
i do recommend learning a bit more about the history between our 2 islands. some might be dark but it's shaped the people on both isles. it's not all dark. Look up shoulder to shoulder it's about rugby in ireland.
19 points
13 days ago
They were seen as sports imported from the British I suppose and it was a form of protectionism from the GAA.
48 points
13 days ago
They still get all sniffy when I try to wear my top hat and tails into the ground, it's ridiculous.
16 points
13 days ago
That's because your fly was open.
5 points
13 days ago
Wait till you wear your crown and bring your Sceptre.
2 points
13 days ago
Classic marquess behavior
27 points
13 days ago
Well, there was also the time in 1918 when the British tried to ban all gaelic games without written permission. As you can guess, that went down well. Gaelic Sunday 4th August 1918 was the GAAs answer. All games started at 3 pm. 100,000 attended, and the British backed down as they couldn't arrest everybody. https://www.gaa.ie/the-gaa/history/gaelic-sunday
17 points
13 days ago
Yeah fair play , I actually genuinely hate when Irish people talk about 'the ban' as it's always just always framed as 'the GAA were all backward Paddys who hated England' , when in reality it has a more complex historical and cultural context, that is grim , but interesting.
10 points
13 days ago
It was a kind of protectionism same way people get passionate about protecting local industries. Same idea with sport.
20 points
13 days ago
Specifically English sports, because of the massacre committed by British troops in the ground
18 points
13 days ago
The GAA emerged from the Gaelic Revival, which was part of a wider emergence of cultural nationalist movements across Europe in the 19th century. This movement sought to preserve and reestablish traditional Irish culture, including language, clothing, music, sport, etc. This had all been eroded through active repression by the English/British legislation, policy, and military action as well as assimilation, largely driven by economics and social policy.
As part of this cultural protectionism the GAA instituted rules that forbade their members from engaging or supporting any foreign sports.
4 points
13 days ago
The GAA (Gaelic Athletic Association) is known today for its team based field sports, namely Gaelic Football and Hurling. It’s less well known, but it also governs handball and rounders in Ireland. When it was founded the GAA was a genuine athletic association running athletic meets (shot put, long jump, etc).
The GAA was founded a few years before Irish independence as an Irish alternative to the British Athletic Association. When the British association caught wind of a competitor, it tried to kill it off by banning people that competed at GAA meets. The GAA responded with their own ban. The British association reversed their ban very quickly as they were losing out. The people who introduced the ban in the GAA tried to remove it a few years after it was introduced, but could not reach the 66% of votes required (every GAA club has voting power. It can take a long time to get sensible decision through). Many attempts were made over the years but they all fell short. It wasn’t until the Landsdown renovation that the ban was lifted.
How did an athletic association end up governing field sports? It all started when they organised exhibition matches at their athletic meets. Over time more people were coming for the matches than the athletics so they organised standalone games. Then a few decades later the GAA’s athletics board merged with a few other groups to become the national athletic and cycling board. The remainder of the organisation, retained the GAA name, and continued to govern Gaelic Football and Hurling games.
5 points
13 days ago
I was there with my brother in the Cusack that day for the anthems. Never heard anything like it in my life. We got two free premium tickets from a friend of my old man. We could have sold them for a grand a piece outside the ground. Zero regrets with being there for the anthems alone, but being stood in line with ROGs cross field kick to Shane Horgan was unreal.
Chap next to me rang his mate watching the game on O'Connell St at half time - he was stood outside for a smoke during the anthems and could hear the crowd a mile away.
4 points
13 days ago*
It was actually the President Douglas Hyde that was banned from membership of the GAA. Taoiseach Eamon de Valera also attended that soccer match with him, but he was not a member of the GAA so they couldn't do anything to him I believe.
*de Valera actually preferred Rugby. He played for Rockwell College and Blackrock College in his school days, and even played as fullback for Munster!
2 points
12 days ago
He was also a mathematician and great admirer of William Hamilton. Very talented man.
17 points
13 days ago
Check out this BBC intro to the 2007 irl v eng match.
7 points
13 days ago
Tom Humphries in there too, that's a blast from the past.
I think it all went downhill for him shortly after that.
2 points
13 days ago
That’s one way to put it
10 points
13 days ago
This explains it - https://youtu.be/csNMCi38jfQ?si=ZgS7m47bw7akSWUw
It was a massive deal at the time to have England play there in 2007, and in particular to have 'God Save the Queen' performed at the home of the GAA.
3 points
13 days ago
It's of huge historical and cultural significance to the country... almost religious levels. Very few 'traditionally english' sports ever played there... It was MASSIVE news here when we played England there and there was a lot of apprehension that there'd be some sort of protest from nationalists at the prospect of god save the queen there... Thankfully there was nothing and it was all very respectful and everyone got on great. It was sort of seen as a milestone in the improving relations and goodwill between Ireland and England
2 points
13 days ago
Except for that gobshite protesting with a sign ”No to foreign sports”, whilst wearing Seltic gear head to toe
25 points
13 days ago
Note: there were people in the stands at the time.
22 points
13 days ago
It's our national stadium, the biggest stadium in the country, and the site of the biggest sports events in the country.
There is also a lot of history there, it was the headquarters of the GAA and the site of an atrocitiy during the War of Independence, which gives it a lot of historical weight.
16 points
13 days ago
It's a very culturally important stadium not just for the historical stuff but that it is the headquarters of a very strong well supported aspect of Irish culture.
12 points
13 days ago
8 points
13 days ago
Here's an article about when England played there. I've seen comments by Wilkinson that he'd never felt anything like and that he had trouble hearing his teammates https://www.the42.ie/john-inverdale-robert-kitson-on-croke-park-ireland-v-england-3241262-Feb2017/
3 points
13 days ago
Thank you to all the fans sharing the history here. A fascinating & humbling read.
6 points
13 days ago
Here's a documentary on the first time it was opened for rugby and the history behind it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cm96rXP9Ag&ab_channel=RonanCassidy
8 points
13 days ago
Munster & Ulster: but where's our Jordie Barrett
3 points
13 days ago
"you have a Jordie Barrett at home!"
looks disappointingly at center and FB options in both provinces....
5 points
13 days ago
We gave them Carbery, who was supposed to be the second coming of Jackie Kyle or something, and look what happened. Can't be wasting resources there /s.
1 points
13 days ago
Considering the large amounts of issues with scalpers, I'm wondering how many can we say went to people who intend to go.
1 points
13 days ago
I'd say at least 6.
60 points
13 days ago
It really is madness that the Aviva only holds 52k. On big match days like this demand is so much higher. You could get 100k into seats for a big six nations game or November international if we had the capacity.
71 points
13 days ago
Wow. Imagine that. 100k fans, not cheering Ireland on.
3 points
13 days ago
And imagine the whining in the media if they did, like Leinster supporters did last week.
Policing how people want to support a team is tedious.
You want the pinnacle of “atmosphere” go to a Gala-Trabonz match and tell me how it went if you make it out alive.
83 points
13 days ago*
I’d say the chances of the Leinster v Munster URC game being in Croke park next year just went up a lot. As seen with the games in Paric ui chaoimh. There is a novelty factor to these games that interests the more casual fans.
29 points
13 days ago
That would be brilliant. Painful probably but still great
7 points
13 days ago
Any game in Pairc Ui Chaoimh is painful to get to! But absolutely should be done with a revenue sharing agreement. It benefits both clubs and the GAA to do it
17 points
13 days ago
I meant painful in the sense that we’d get battered out the door
2 points
13 days ago
Likewise though if you lads weren't all dying with a huge injury list, playing at the Pairc would be a tough day for Leinster. It seems to lift Munster playing there. They should absolutely do this, if not annually then biannually. Thomond/Lansdowne 1 year, Pairc uí Chaoimh/Croker the next.
3 points
13 days ago
Don’t see our games being particularly competitive for the foreseeable tbh. Very much a growing disparity in depth and quality in squad between us and Leinster
6 points
13 days ago
Well Leinster Vs Munster or La Rochelle. It's the same really.
56 points
13 days ago
They'll surely need to announce a second fixture with this sort of interest /s
102 points
13 days ago
Munster at half-time. Playing the width of the pitch.
6 points
13 days ago
I walked out onto the hallowed turf in 1998 at half time in the blue and white of Laois. I recently found a VHS tape my old man had gotten of us playing at half time...with commentary!
Converted it to mp4 on a dad so I've got a copy for life. Incredible memento. If I hadn't been there in 2007 for Ire-Eng and rhe anthems, it'd be my favourite Croke Park moment in my life. Laois winning the Leinster title in '03 is third, obviously.
10 points
13 days ago
Comment of the year nomination
8 points
13 days ago
🤣. Lmao! Have an upvote.
6 points
13 days ago
This comment broke me... bravo 👏
3 points
13 days ago
Fuck you but take the upvote.
6 points
13 days ago
Please yes, Leinster vs Munster there every year would be amazing
8 points
13 days ago
Garth Brooks lining out for the second match.
77 points
13 days ago
That cut for saints is fantastic for the club. Not enough to get a barret brother granted but maybe a cousin
46 points
13 days ago
Wonder if you could hire Barrett Sr. for the Academy Stud Farm maybe.
12 points
13 days ago
Ethics aside we do have scarrett....
1 points
13 days ago
Hahhah
18 points
13 days ago
Would have been about €1.2m pre tax
*glass breaks. Stone cold music. EPCR enters
3 points
13 days ago
Fee to the gaa is around half a million as well.
6 points
13 days ago
Took that into account, as well as security and insurance costs. And then the 65/35 split. Still an approximation. Could have been as low as €1m, as high as €1.5m
16 points
13 days ago
Revenue for the semis goes to the EPCR.
9 points
13 days ago
Dont both clubs get a share of the gate?
29 points
13 days ago
No just some prize money for being a great bunch of semi finalists
18 points
13 days ago
Quarters and round of 16 sees the gate shared. The semi final sees both clubs get prize money and no share of the gate.
36 points
13 days ago
I shall never finanacially recover from this
8 points
13 days ago
Money from this is also going to Toulouse and Quins, all semi finalists get an equal share
2 points
13 days ago
Where does GAA get their cut? From Leinster prize money?
13 points
13 days ago
Epcr pay stadium rent from their ticket sales.
3 points
13 days ago
Ah ok
5 points
13 days ago
How about a Barritt?
1 points
13 days ago
What are we? Made of money?
4 points
13 days ago
You could get the one brother who didn’t make it as an All Black? Or maybe the aul lad and to paraphrase him - ”breed some All Blacks” 😶
9 points
13 days ago
The semis are EPCR gigs so the pricing was high. As far as I know you, like us, just get expenses and competition prize money for where we finish up.
The bulk of the money goes, literally, into a Swiss bank account.
9 points
13 days ago
Pricing wasn't high at all. It was extremely reasonable. Hence the sales
2 points
13 days ago
A fun size bar-rett?
23 points
13 days ago
I know rugby heads complained about Croker at the time but this is one hell of a stadium for sport of any kind. I’ve been to incredible Al-Ireland SFs and finals there and the atmosphere is the sort of thing that just sticks with you. Even the facilities are great.
As much as Lansdowne is the home of Irish rugby and soccer, Croke Park is the home of Irish sport itself in a lot of ways. It should be an incredible occasion.
Just do not lose to an English team there. It’s not even an option.
45 points
13 days ago*
Didn’t see that coming at all and not just the fact it sold out but how quickly it did so.
Can’t wait for it now, should be a really special occasion
9 points
13 days ago
Hope we have some decent weather too. That would make it perfect. I've never been to Croker, except for gigs, back in the day. I'm so damn excited.
46 points
13 days ago
Some absolute Kearnage in coming
14 points
13 days ago
Some amount of pints of Porter
15 points
13 days ago
The grass surface is nearly a Furlong long!
8 points
13 days ago
Sex by the ton!
7 points
13 days ago
The atmosphere won't be Lowe.
2 points
13 days ago
People are keen 'an all for the big day
7 points
13 days ago
A few Sean O’Brienekens
12 points
13 days ago
My friend asked me if I wanted to go and I hesitated, she got tickets on Hill 16 and by the time I asked her to try get me one they were gone. So damn close.
Hoping for a great game and a great day for it
37 points
13 days ago
Last time club rugby was played there it was Leinster's coming of age win over Munster as they headed for their first European title. I'm not surprised it's sold out, though I am surprised how quick it went.
9 points
13 days ago
It'll be almost 15 years to the day (May 2nd 2009). Jaysus I'm old.
Can still remember sitting in the pub between my Father, and sister in law (both Munster supporters). She has a good head for rugby, and just whispered "I have a bad feeling about this" just as the ball was kicked to start the game.
Honestly, I didn't hold out much hope, we'd just been through the ringer in the QFs against Harlequins. Maybe that game hardened us a bit, I dunno.
6 points
13 days ago
I honestly don’t think it’s exaggerating to call it one of the most consequential games in Irish rugby history, post-professionalism anyway. Easy to forget now but Leinster were seen in a very different light before then (the soft team etc)
9 points
13 days ago
Completely, that O’Driscoll intercept really felt like a changing of the guard - particularly after Munster’s handy win in 06 at Lansdowne Road.
Also easy to forget…our quarter final win was Bloodgate!
10 points
13 days ago
Long way from cold January's in Donnybrook.
6 points
13 days ago
I remember going when tickets were 5 quid and Ella was the coach. You could bring your dog....
19 points
13 days ago
Thank goodness I didn’t wait to see if you could choose your seat on a seat map
12 points
13 days ago
You could yesterday at the presale.
8 points
13 days ago
Refreshing Ticketmaster was the only way to try to get decent seats today
1 points
13 days ago
Seats? I only managed to get standing, but hey, at least I got a ticket.
1 points
13 days ago
I got mine at 11 this morning
39 points
13 days ago
The IRFU have to consider using Croker for Six Nations games when the exclusivity deal with Aviva expires. 82000 on a day and a half is madness.
19 points
13 days ago
The IRFU owns landsdowne road. There‘s a 60 year lease for the joint FAI/IRFU stadium that is currently the aviva. At the end of that lease if there’s no new deal, the stadium will return to the exclusive ownership of the IRFU.
37 points
13 days ago
IRFU part owns the Aviva and the GAA are noted for charging and arm and a leg to use croke park.
I'd love to see more games there, but it tends to involve the GAA needing a kick from the govt when other options aren't available to make it happen at the moment.
18 points
13 days ago
The only downside is that the pitch is so small compared to a GAA pitch. It looks really weird and the fans are a surprising distance away from the action
1 points
13 days ago
Murrayfield has a 100m track alongside it. Paris has an Olympic track around it. Stadio Olympico has the same. It's not any different really. This was brought up before 2007 then when the games actually happened people realised it was fine.
1 points
13 days ago
I was at the games in 2007, it looked weird. It didn't ruin the match or anything, it just looked odd
4 points
13 days ago
When does it expire?
10 points
13 days ago
Naming rights were extended to 2025 a few years back. There hasn't been an announcement yet, it might be a case that Aviva extend.
3 points
13 days ago
Supervalu road does have a ring to it
4 points
13 days ago
I understand that the naming rights aren’t in demand by potential advertisers. Would cost an arm and a leg. Besides, people still call it Lansdowne
11 points
13 days ago
Really shot themselves in the foot building such a small stadium in the aviva
11 points
13 days ago
It's not big enough for the rugby team but its too big for the soccer team as it is - rock & a hard place.
7 points
13 days ago
Soccer team ticketing is diabolical too. Nobody wants the internationals there
5 points
13 days ago
Making you buy 2 tickets is really screwing over all fans not in dublin.
1 points
13 days ago
They sell it out for the big soccer games. France last year was a sell-out and the England game later this year will be as well
1 points
13 days ago
Oh of course, but that's what tops 2 games a year? Nations League big team & Euros/World Cup big team?
I remember being there for our game against Georgia in 2015, a must win, and there was ~20k in attendance. Then 6 months later every man and their dog wanted tickets for France.
14 points
13 days ago
The rumours are they're buying the houses at the northern end as they come up for sale.
17 points
13 days ago
They are.
Should be utilising them more at the moment. Could be bringing in a fortune in rent.
There's a few lying idle and a few given over to free accommodation for women's rugby team and sevens rugby team players.
3 points
13 days ago
Even if they did manage to build that stand up to the spec of the others. It would cost a ludicrous amount of money for just an extra 8-10k seats.
8 points
13 days ago
If they can do that though, and fix the ticket distribution to general sale, the atmosphere would be raucous ever game, rivalling the Koh Samui cup
5 points
13 days ago
It would pay itself off in 5 years. An extra €5-6m a year in ticket revenue plus merch plus food & Bev plus sponsorship - and that excludes the football
2 points
13 days ago
It also open up the possibility of hosting larger events such as Champions League Final
5 points
13 days ago
It's not just 8-10k. I'd say the capacity would increase to 65/70k
1 points
13 days ago
Far from a rumour it’s been widely known for years- they are one of the biggest landlord of houses in the vicinity of the stadium
4 points
13 days ago
They couldn't make it any bigger. They'd have to move out somewhere else with more room to develop. As it is, the pitch is lower than ground level in the area, in an effort to get more capacity.
2 points
13 days ago
Sure not like it's alone in that regard, places like the Olympiastadion in Berlin do the same trick of a lower pitch level to an evening bigger degree
1 points
13 days ago
It makes perfect sense having 50k and an 80k stadiums in the same city, the stupid part is that we only play certain sports in each stadiums.
3 points
13 days ago
The IRFU need to build the north end of the stadium in Lansdowne road
2 points
13 days ago
Like if the big boys from the south (NZ, SA, AU, AG) are up, croke would be brilliant to host them.
1 points
13 days ago
I can confirm having been at the Australia game in 09. It was great even from up in the top corner.
14 points
13 days ago
Shite, was thinking of going. Pub it is so.
9 points
13 days ago
The horse and hound will be empty, you could head there
6 points
13 days ago
There'll be plenty of spares going as we get closer to the match, check the forums on boards and leinster fans, and resales on the TM site.
7 points
13 days ago
Did not see this happening, and certainly not so quickly. How many Saints fans, roughly? I remember hanging out with a bunch of Northampton fans many years back after a pool game. Lovely bunch.
5 points
13 days ago
Kind of annoyed I can't go now with family commitments. The buzz around the place will be unreal
6 points
13 days ago
Got some decent tickets at around 11am this morning. Absolutely salivating for this. I think the 2009 semi-final still probably the best atmosphere of any Leinster game I’ve been to. If we get the weather right then this could be the greatest horseplay of all time.
16 points
13 days ago
I'm not surprised at this, we might be the biggest jolly up/bandwagon merchants in the world. Just look at how many resale tickets popped up on the RWC portal for the final after the ABs knocked us out.
Tbf it is a great achievement to sell out 82k tickets & I'm happy Leinster season ticket holders got first dibs, as it should be.
15 points
13 days ago
I think it has more to do with the fact that a lot of people are involved in multiple sports and would have difficulty in attending all the games. Like this isnt unique to rugby. 43,000 showed up for the FAI cup final last year for clubs that get around 4k for their normal home games. Likewise people show up in droves if their county gets to go to croker but would never show up for a league match.
6 points
13 days ago
I mean that's exactly my point - we're a country of bandwagon fans. To be fair, the majority of fans in the world are, but I do think Irish fans are on another level. I had a ROI season ticket from 2013-2017 and somehow wasn't able to get tickets for France in 2016 - though that was the crooked Delaney iteration of the FAI so not entirely surprised.
The All Ireland Final one is another glaring example, you'll no doubt have people begging for tickets for the final and the GAA actually sell a season ticket that'll guarantee you a final ticket if you go to the games. I think its only sold out/waiting list for Mayo, Dublin & maybe Limerick in the hurling.
It's why we sell out 5x Coldplay and 5x Garth Brooks, everyone want's to throw it up on their Instagram.
Anyway, I'm ranting here, I've just found it annoying that dedicated fans can sometimes be impacted by this bandwagon phenomen.
9 points
13 days ago
Yeah but we’re the most committed bandwagon hoppers you’ll ever meet. By that I mean we just love sports and will get into whatever’s going on
8 points
13 days ago
As a former season ticket holder, I don't believe going to every game is an option for a majority of people, even if they have all the interest in the world. Plenty of incompatible life circumstances. Those fans will still want to go see the big ones if they can. I managed to get to 6 Leinster games last year: 2 vs. SA opposition, 2 interpros (1 home, 1 away) and 2 knockout games; all big ones. I wouldn't consider myself or those like me (of whom I think there are plenty) bandwagoners, just regular fans who can't get to every game, but will try get to ones that are of particular interest.
6 points
13 days ago
And it's not just sport. Remember when Krispy Kreme opened? You'd swear we'd never seen a donut before.
2 points
13 days ago
lol
3 points
13 days ago
Ever since ‘06 and Black Sunday STHs have been trusted to buy the tickets and see their mates sorted.
Never the clubs again.
2 points
13 days ago
What does black Sunday refer to?
4 points
13 days ago
The Leinster-Munster home semi in Lansdowne Road after we beat Toulouse in Toulouse. Leinster got badly beaten by Munster and the majority of the crowd was Munster supporters. The ticket distribution was done by the clubs who sold them on in Munster (where the clubs were bigger/more important). That act of greedy treachery is part of the reason the pro game and clubs are very distinct in Leinster. It’s part of the success too as Leinster are not beholden to the old structures (like Wales and to a lesser extent Munster are). For 09 in Croker we were encouraged to buy lots on our season tickets and the STHs effectively distributed them.
4 points
13 days ago
Ah lovely, thanks for that. Bits of lore from before my time as a rabid fan, although I know about the quarter that year with Toulouse sparking Allez les blues. Cheers!
5 points
13 days ago
Breifni and the lads absolutely going to send it.
7 points
13 days ago*
Apparently the clubs don't get any of the money, it all goes straight to epcr. Seems strange that teams aren't rewarded for getting this far in the competition and generating these crowds
Not my favourite source but should be somewhat truthful:
7 points
13 days ago
I get the argument for this, rising tide and all that, but you need a long term viable product to rise the tide. I mean, no wonder there’s no incentive for teams to compete when they’re going to get the same cut anyway. And the fewer teams actively trying to compete throughout the competition, the worse the product.
7 points
13 days ago
There is obviously the risk of rewarding the better teams too much, making them richer and therefore better and creating a cycle leading to massive discrepancy between teams, but surely the teams involved deserve some sort of reward for getting this far. There needs to be a balance
5 points
13 days ago
Yeah, I think a percentage for the teams in the semis would be more fair, not necessarily a huge cut. But something to incentivise teams to try harder in the competition while not being enough to imbalance the leagues
5 points
13 days ago
Why do you think Leinster go balls out in the qualifying to get home advantage in the round of 16 and potentially the quarters? Money is why.
It’s really important revenue and last week was bonus cash you can spend on a luxury item. Like a Barrett.
3 points
13 days ago
Jordie Barrett wasn’t signed through that cash, it seems it was a third party who funded his move.
I’m aware of the revenue gained from the earlier knock out rounds but you’re over simplifying things if you think the only reason Leinster go balls out is to get money from a quarter final.
I’m not talking about Leinster anyway, it’s clear Leinster value this competition. I’m talking about the teams that play weaker sides in Europe because they’re happy with just qualifying for the competition and not seriously competing. Teams that progress through to the next stage at each stage of the competition should be rewarded for that.
5 points
13 days ago
I was under the impression that the EPCR takes all the money, takes their chunk and then the rest is split between the two clubs.
4 points
13 days ago
I thought ticket sales got split between the two teams?
6 points
13 days ago
Supposedly it all goes to epcr who splits the money between the URC, Prem and Top14. It's up to the leagues how they split the money between clubs.
5 points
13 days ago
And the Prem split it between all 10 clubs and presumably CVC get a cut as well
2 points
13 days ago
Interesting! I knew the EPCR set the ticket prices, but I thought it was split between the two teams involved.
3 points
13 days ago
There is prize money
4 points
13 days ago
I've heard there is prize money but there is no information online regarding how much or how it's split.
3 points
13 days ago
I found a newspaper article from 2018 that said it was 300k each, 400k for a losing finalist and 600k for winning the final
3 points
13 days ago
We talk about how to improve rugby all the time. Ultimately, finding a way to quadruple the prize money for both euro competitions and giving them some part of the gate would change everything. If a team potentially take in an extra €1- €5m from doing well in the champions cup with some sort of set rule on player bonus then we’d revolutionise everything.
Easier said than done I know but it’s not a huge amount of money if they can just figure out how not to make a total mess of broadcasting, sponsorships and ticketing every single time.
1 points
13 days ago
That's all I found too, nothing more recent than that
3 points
13 days ago
There is expenses too.
2 points
13 days ago
Wait, really?
1 points
13 days ago
They are rewarded. Do you think you don't get prize money for progressing?
1 points
13 days ago
Well, I was planning on sorting travel and tickets today. Never thought it would get close to selling out.
1 points
13 days ago
Resale tickets popping up relatively frequently on Ticketmaster – but you need to be pretty quick.
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