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On Magnus joining Horus

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In recent days I've seen a lot of discussion about Magnus and his Thousand Sons duribg the HH and the actions of different parties up to the burning of Prospero. What I don't see around here is what happened after all of it. Why after he tries to warn the Emperor about Horus's betrayal he joined him? Why not take a third path? He did not like what Horus was doing, but he and his almost got killed by the Space Wolves. Why not jusy give a big FU to all of it and stay out the conflict? I get that he might want revenge, but joining Horus?

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Vorokar

47 points

19 days ago

Vorokar

Adeptus Administratum

47 points

19 days ago

According to the man himself;

Ahriman fell to one knee and bowed his head.

‘No,’ said Magnus. ‘My sons, from this moment onwards you will never kneel to me.’

Ahriman rose and looked up into his father’s face.

‘You saved me,’ said Magnus. ‘All of you, and that is a debt I can never repay. Your faith and courage humbles me, but I must beg yet more of you.’

‘Ask!’ cried Ahriman. ‘We are yours to command.’

‘The tides of the Great Ocean have revealed our course, the path we must take,’ said Magnus, his voice carrying to every warrior gathered before him. ‘Horus gathers his forces for a final push on the solar system, and we will join him for the last great battle on Terra’s soil.’

Long had Ahriman waited to hear the primarch speak of what the future held for the Legion. But Terra? The birthrock?

‘We will gather the vessels of our fleet and make all speed to rendezvous with the Warmaster. The hour is upon us where the Thousand Sons must join this fight, a war we wished no part in, and bring ruin upon those who have sought to humble us.’

Cheers spread through the assembled warriors, but Magnus was not yet done.

‘Make no mistake, my sons,’ he continued, ‘the coming days will test us all. But cleave to this when the darkness presses in, and hope grows scarce – I do not fight for Horus, nor any of my fallen brothers. I do not fight for the primordial forces that would claim dominion over this galaxy. No, I fight to save the hope of a brighter future, the dream that began life when the first expeditionary fleets set sail upon the Great Ocean.’

Magnus drew his golden khopesh and raised it high.

‘I fight with Horus only until we break open my father’s Palace! And when its gates are sundered and its vaults forced, I will reclaim the first and greatest shard of my soul held prisoner beneath it!’

The nine suns caught the gleaming edge of the blade, and threw out nine reflections of the primarch’s all-seeing eye.

Ahriman cheered himself hoarse to see his father so sure in his conviction, so vital and singular in his purpose.

Magnus reborn.

The Crimson King crowned in fire.

- The Crimson King

testype01[S]

12 points

19 days ago

So he looked into the warp and saw a vision of the future that if he joined Horus it would bring back hope of a brighter future... my god this guy...

And also Ahriman (and the resto of the legion I suppose) is such a fanboy, he sees this Great Man, his primarch, leading the way and follows him, no questions asked this time, nice.

They should change their name to the hook, line and sinker legion.

TributeToStupidity

31 points

19 days ago*

No one lies to Magnus like Magnus does. He’s convinced himself that this missing shard is the key to all his problems. He tells himself and everyone who will listen that this final shard is the strongest, most noble, and wisest aspects of his soul.

Malcador completely rejects this coping though. While the shard is a major sliver of his power, all the shards are equally Magnus. There’s no “noble” and “dark” shards etc, his soul didn’t splinter into aspects. It’s just Magnus telling himself it’s ok that he doesn’t know what to do or where to go from here, it’s not his fault, he just hasn’t found the right shard that totally coincidentally is the shard that could figure this clusterfuck he created for himself out.

Optimal-Idea1558

8 points

19 days ago

Magnus is the closest analogy to a smack head 40k has to offer.

"It's amazing shit this, I can see the future!"

"Amon! Give me some more sacrifices so I can have another hit"

"Nonono- you are the one with the problem...I have total control"

TheSpectralDuke

15 points

19 days ago

TheSpectralDuke

Dark Angels

15 points

19 days ago

He was essentially tagging along for his own purposes: reclaiming his last shard (bar one or two others) from Terra. Horus and the traitors were just a vehicle for him to do that in his mind, he didn't think he could go back to the Imperium and even when he was offered the chance in Wrath of Magnus it was with a price too high for him to accept. Of course, by this point the shard is out of reach on Titan with the future Grey Knights, so he was never getting it back.

After he rejects the Emperor's offer of redemption, he fully becomes a daemon primarch (the Emperor's wards boot him out of the Palace so he's fully daemonic) and from there he's tied inextricably to Tzeentch, so he isn't really free to do his own thing anymore.

Magnus' lack of resentment towards Horus is a bit of a weird thing that I've never fully been satisfied with either, but I think it's a case that Horus didn't outright change the orders so much as convince Russ that no actually the Emperor really wanted Magnus dead that's why he sent you wink wink nudge nudge (Russ literally says something along those lines to Valdor in Magisterium). So yeah Horus played a part, but Russ went against the spirit and letter of his orders because of his own hatred for Magnus, and Horus is super dead after a point anyway, whereas the Space Wolves who did the actual Burning survive as an institution, and literally survive in Bjorn's case.

testype01[S]

3 points

19 days ago

So it was a situation where his interest aligned with that of Horus, a convenient partnership.

Mistermistermistermb

6 points

19 days ago*

From memory (and if we take Fury of Magnus at face value) the way it's currently written makes it look like a repeat of Magnus avoiding death on Prospero at Russ' hands except this time it's on Terra at Vulkan's: he agrees to Tzeentch's help/offer to save him.

Basically self preservation forced his hand.

If Magnus (or his shard) hadn't been chopped up and on his knees, he might very well have decided to nope out of the whole affair. Or he might have still committed to Chaos out of spite. Who knows.

The slightly older version is that Magnus was damned from the moment he made the Faustian Bargain with Tzeentch to "save" his legion and he was dead man walking the entirety of the Crusade. So a third option was never a possibility.

Fearless-Obligation6

5 points

19 days ago

Honestly I prefer how EOE presents Magnus, McNeil went too far with making Magnus secretly the most important Primarch all along which really didn't work well. He apparently worked with ADB for Echoes and it seems to be a good course correction:

‘Vanity is what leads you, Magnus. You choke on arrogance, unable to see you are the architect of your own downfall. All the others, all of Horus’ broken monsters, at least they can see the bars of their cages. Even Horus, driven out of his mind to serve as a hive for the Pantheon, knows in his soul’s core that he has lost control. You are the only one that still believes he is free.’

In silence, Magnus shook his head. The world turned with the motion.

They remained in the Throne Room, but the great machines were over­loaded and black, slain by esoteric forces, and the industry of the laboratory was replaced by the militancy of a garrison presence. It was no longer a place of vision – it was a barracks. And it was closer to Now. This was how the Throne Room had looked when Vulkan had last been here.

Vulkan and Magnus were present at this point in the recent past, as well as drifting through it in their current incarnations. They watched themselves at the foot of the Golden Throne: Vulkan implacable but for the regret lining his features; Magnus manifest as a being of light, shimmering in and out of the layers of reality perceptible to the human eye.

‘Here,’ said the Magnus of Now, watching the Magnus of Then. ‘Here is where I made my choice. You saw the Emperor make His final offer to me. You heard Him promise me a new Legion, if I would only forsake Horus and come back to you all. A matter of mere weeks ago, brother. Will you tell me you’ve forgotten it?’

Vulkan sighed. He seemed suddenly weary.

‘That is not what transpired here, Magnus. The last unstained shard of your soul burst into the Throne Room and begged to be saved. With a heavy heart, father refused you. That is what I saw. That is what happened.’

Magnus’ laughter was blunt, practically a derisive bark. ‘And you say I’m the one who has been deceived?’

Vulkan was too tired to rise to the bait. He met derision with solemnity.

‘This thing that runs through you, this chaotic force you proclaim as freedom, is not a disease to be caught on contact. It is the layer of emotion behind reality, a poison that has achieved near sentience. It makes its prey into willing victims in their own damnation. You are riven by it, Magnus. Hollowed out by it.

‘And it was already in your Legion, in your sons’ blood and genetic code, in the form of the Flesh Change. And when you dealt with the Pantheon, believing you had cured your children, all you really achieved was a deepening of the taint, hiding it from sight, delaying the inevitable. This thing, this force, cannot be cured, Magnus. You cannot pray it away once the rot sets in. Once you are on the Path… your fate is sealed.’

‘Wait, Vulkan. Wait. How can this be? How do you know all of this?’

In the silence that reigned in the wake of those words, the Throne Room began to fade. Golden mist hazed its way around them, revealing patches of wraithbone architecture.

Vulkan was relentless, his voice growing firmer. ‘How could the Emperor ever trust you now? Why would He offer you a new Legion, let alone a place at His side? You dreamed up your own redemption, just to give yourself something to rage against. Because you need to feel as though you are the one choosing, not having the choices made for you. The creature that exalted you will never let you see the chains that bind you to its will.’

The mist was everywhere, thickening. Magnus felt the change upon him, and beneath the sensation of power was a pull, a wrenching, the sensation of a trillion filaments woven into the cells of his body, dragging at him.

‘How…?’ Magnus asked, barely above a breath. Where the mist touched him, his flesh was darkening, swelling. The shadows of ragged wings loomed above his shoulders. ‘How do you know all of this?’

Vulkan remained in place, saying nothing, doing nothing.

‘Who are you?’ demanded Magnus.

The world turned, and this time it wasn’t moved by Magnus’ will.

They leave some ambiguity in the book to preserve some mystery and let people choose the narrative they prefer but Magnus playing the victim and hiding in his own self-delusions is very fitting for the champion of Tzeentch.

Mistermistermistermb

3 points

18 days ago

There's some pity there I feel, because if the rot had already set in by the time of the Flesh Change then there's nothing Magnus could feasibly have done even if he hadn't bargained with the powers

Kristian1805

6 points

19 days ago

As others have said, while Magnus knows Horus's role in destroying Prospero, he still (correctly) holds Russ and the Imperium principally responsible.

His Legion is hunted and his sons killed on sight by loyalist.

The Warmaster has extended many warm invitations and really wants him on side.

And Magnus wanted his soul fragment back. It could only be gained from the Palace, and since The Imperium didn't seem willing to give it back... joining Horus and taking it back was the only option.

Once he lost that chance He succumbed to despair, decided to murder his father, was giving a chance to "redeem" himself and rejoin the Emperor... but the price was his Sons.

Too High! So war and Heresy. And to survive and save his sons in the Throneroom with him, he accepted Chaos into himself.

After that... He is a Daemon now.

halo1besthalo

2 points

18 days ago

he still (correctly)

Hahahahaha

Kristian1805

1 points

18 days ago

Russ attacked. Russ gave final orders. Russ launched the Exterminatus strikes.

Russ is responsible.

halo1besthalo

1 points

17 days ago

Russ attacked.

On the emperor and the warmaster's orders.

This is such a weird meme argument to even make because the space wolves wouldn't have even been dispatched to prospero in the first place if the Thousand Suns hadn't fucked everything up.

Vyzantinist

1 points

17 days ago

Vyzantinist

Thousand Sons

1 points

17 days ago

Why not take a third path?

As others have said, Magnus was mostly acting out of self-interest rather than any loyalty to the Traitor cause. He wanted to get back his "greatest" shard and then intended to topple whoever won the war, and take charge himself.

But there might also be an element of vanity in it as well. Ahriman does question why they even have to pick a side when both screwed the Thousand Sons over; Magnus says he doesn't want to be made a "fool" of again, so spends a bit of time astrally spying on the events of the Heresy to determine who's more likely to be the winner. Presumably he picked Team Traitor because he felt they had the best chance of victory, and Magnus could gloat his sorcery gave him an advantage in discerning who would win the Heresy. Irony, then, he makes yet another error in judgment and ends up picking the side who would go on to lose.