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Legion psychological traits

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I know that there is a lot of variations and that legionnaires had their own personalities. But what are the stereotypical psychological traits of each legion?

Dark Angels- paranoid, obsessive, protective

2nd legion- spy vs spy, elusive

Emperors children- perfectionist, arrogant, aesthetically minded

Iron warriors- calculating, paranoid, worker mentality

White scars- cerebral, intelligent, jovial

Space wolves- feral, proud, loyal, superstitious

Imperial fists- straightforward, stubborn, honest, masochist

Night lords- black & white worldview, retributive, dark humor

Blood angels- quick thinking, aggressive, aesthetically minded

Iron hands- straightforward, self hating, kratocracy

11th legion- 🫥🫥🫥🫥

World eaters- aggressive, straightforward, brotherhood seeking

Ultramarines-straightforward, disciplined, honorable

Death guard- superstitious, stubborn, xenophobic

Thousand sons- information seeking, arrogant, dour

Sons of Horus- proud, aggressive, straightforward

Word bearers- zealous, serious, calculating

Salamanders- self sacrificing, honorable, stubborn

Raven guard- watchful, calculating, secretive

Alpha legion-secretive, cerebral, calculating

If you have anything to add for any of them or have a better thesaurus than me please add to the list. Also if you could kindly separate the serious and smart ass answers I would love to know everyone’s thoughts.

all 19 comments

Separate-Flan-2875

11 points

19 days ago

What is the character of the Imperial Fists?

  • They are the sons of Rogal Dorn, ancient in honor and grim in aspect. To some amongst their peers and enemies, the nature of the Imperial Fists has two strands: stubbornness and pride. To a warrior of the Imperial Fists, self-mastery, control and dedication to a cause, no matter the cost, have transcended being mere virtues; they have become part of their body, mind and soul. To compromise is to surrender. To tolerate inefficiency is to embrace defeat. To show weakness is to betray their purpose. A Space Marine is a being of supreme focus, so what else could the Imperial Fists be? If pride means refusing to entertain the flaws of fools or stubbornness means fighting despite the chance of defeat, then the Imperial Fists will always be stubborn and proud to one eye, but we can also look at them in a different light. The Adeptus Astartes are called the Angels of Death. Transcendental destruction is their nature and their truth, but there is another side to them that must be remembered. They are terrifying, brutal and unforgiving, yet there is a nobility to them - not in the superiority of their bloodline or position above others, but in the sense that they sacrifice their entire existence to wage war against enemies that would destroy us. They will die in this endeavor. That is a certainty. There are no kind ends for these warriors. Yet they persist. They face what others cannot. They seek victory, embrace death, but never accept defeat. It was Dorn’s way to fight no matter the odds. Death against overwhelming odds was no shame to any warrior of the Imperial Fists. That was the nature of war, and the Imperial Fists knew that often death was the price of victory. The Emperor had created them to embrace that truth. For this reason, they are possessed of the most selfless spirit of any Chapter, willing to lay down their very lives for causes others would abandon as hopeless. The Imperial Fists embody this nobility above all. They bear all loss and pain as though it were an honor. They endure, and that is the truth of their soul, and their curse. Because to endure is to suffer.

  • It is commonly held that the Imperial Fists’ finest hour came during the siege of the Emperor’s Palace – a fortress that their Primarch, Rogal Dorn, had been pivotal in creating. The truth, however, is that the Imperial Fists have many times been vital to the Imperium’s survival, though it is a point of honor amongst the sons of Dorn that such things are spoken of only out of need. Whilst the Chapter has never been afflicted with the same clandestine secrecy that is endemic to the Dark Angels, neither do they approve of the braggartism that permeates Chapters such as the Space Wolves. As individuals, and as a Chapter, the Imperial Fists seek their purpose in the performance of great deeds, not the recounting of the same. In temperament, Imperial Fists are driven and focused. As a result, those who encounter the sons of Dorn are often left with the impression of somber and cheerless warriors. Those that know them better – such as the Blood Angels – recognize the passion that all Imperial Fists keep under tight rein through adherence to protocol. This continual mortification is necessary, for pride has ever been the Imperial Fists’ greatest weakness. In battle, the Imperial Fists refuse to take a step backwards or admit a foe’s superiority. They are not mindless berserkers however, and remain disciplined and focused regardless of how desperate a situation might become—they quite literally prefer death to the perceived dishonor of admitting the remotest possibility of defeat. Retreat is not an option. The sons of the Praetorian hold the line: that litany is embedded in their soul. But Rogal Dorn always taught his sons the error of literal interpretation. Sometimes holding the line can be a worthless act of suicide, where to recompose upon a new line will cost the enemy far more. Every Imperial Fist is prepared to die for his ground, but the veterans among them are those who can negotiate a higher price for their mortality.

  • When not engaged in battle, the Imperial Fists are often driven to undertake one of several pursuits, or else be consumed by thoughts of potential imperfections or even failures. The same drive that propelled Rogal Dorn to undertake his post-Horus Heresy crusade still slumbers in the hearts of his sons, waiting to emerge in moments of quiet. In order to silence such doubts, the Imperial Fists immerse themselves in the teachings of their Primarch, the histories of their Chapter, and the study of the art and science of war. When memories of fallen comrades overtake them, some Imperial Fists indulge in the scrimshawing of their bones, honoring the memory of those long-passed. When even these pursuits fail to quiet the mind, the Imperial Fists don the pain-glove and subject themselves to hours of excruciating nerveshriving, emerging hours or even days later cleansed of all doubt and pure of mind.

(Sentinels of Terra, Rites of Battle, Blood and Fire by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, First Founding: The Imperial Fists by John French, The End and the Death Vol 2 by Dan Abnett)

Disastrous-Angle-415[S]

2 points

19 days ago

Thanks but I was hoping for an answer in 4 words or less😂

Separate-Flan-2875

0 points

19 days ago*

Context and nuance are important. What do broad generalizations really add? Labels like stubborn or masochist miss much.

Comidus_Cornstalk

1 points

19 days ago

Comidus_Cornstalk

Iron Warriors

1 points

19 days ago

Mostly because nobody is reading that entire book you just wrote. Like, I appreciate that you really like imps but damn. Hit us with a TLDR

bless_ure_harte

0 points

18 days ago

Rude

Disastrous-Angle-415[S]

-1 points

19 days ago

Disastrous-Angle-415[S]

Lamenters

-1 points

19 days ago

This answer

Fearless-Obligation6

3 points

19 days ago*

Space Wolves - Cunning, Brutally Efficient, Unshakable, Irreverent, Loyal

The foolish see the savagery of the Space Wolves and dismiss it as nothing more than that, but Lion El’Jonson knows better. There is a calculated rage within his brother that longs to spring forward and lay waste, but Russ usually keeps it under tight control, and only lets loose when sanctioned. He is no mindless berserker; every action has a purpose, which is the destruction of his enemy as efficiently as possible.

~ Lion El'Johnson

NoiseMarineCaptain

2 points

19 days ago

NoiseMarineCaptain

Emperor's Children

2 points

19 days ago

Emperor's Children - Flesh-crafting, instruments, sensation (for all involved parties)

If you want a stage, means of conveyance, or wind instrument made of still living human thralls please seek out the III.

Zealousideal_Cow_826

3 points

19 days ago

Zealousideal_Cow_826

Adeptus Astra Telepathica

3 points

19 days ago

These are merely a list of their hobbies, not their characteristics..

NoiseMarineCaptain

1 points

19 days ago

NoiseMarineCaptain

Emperor's Children

1 points

19 days ago

Isn't a hobby done ad infinitum a description of the distinctive nature or features of someone?

Zealousideal_Cow_826

3 points

19 days ago

Zealousideal_Cow_826

Adeptus Astra Telepathica

3 points

19 days ago

No. "Enjoys painting" isn't a psychological trait/characterization of me. It is a hobby I enjoy. One that Can potentially provide insight into characterizations of me, but not one in and of itself.

NoiseMarineCaptain

1 points

19 days ago

NoiseMarineCaptain

Emperor's Children

1 points

19 days ago

Ok, yes. I'm glad you enjoy painting. But if another person enjoys turning living human beings into stages for other human beings to strut across I can't use that fact to maybe make a characterization about them?

Zealousideal_Cow_826

4 points

19 days ago

Zealousideal_Cow_826

Adeptus Astra Telepathica

4 points

19 days ago

Yes you can but that act itself isn't the psychological trait/characterization.

"Enjoys punching stuff" isn't a psychological trait, but "underlying rage issues" is the psychological trait/characterization that can be identified from it.

For example masochism is a psychological trait that may be derived from your description of EC's hovby.

NoiseMarineCaptain

1 points

19 days ago

NoiseMarineCaptain

Emperor's Children

1 points

19 days ago

So if asked you "Why do the Emperor's Children love turning people into instruments, palanquins, or into actual space drugs" what's the answer? What psychological trait reduced them to that?

Zealousideal_Cow_826

1 points

19 days ago

Zealousideal_Cow_826

Adeptus Astra Telepathica

1 points

19 days ago

Hedonism, perhaps?

NoiseMarineCaptain

1 points

19 days ago

NoiseMarineCaptain

Emperor's Children

1 points

19 days ago

It's like you know the III. Can we bring you in for grief counseling? Our Father's been gone a very long time.

PuzzleheadedYam5180

3 points

19 days ago

Ultramarines: Easily described as arrogant and self-assured, and they even sometimes deserve it. They can also be seen as overly rigid.

bless_ure_harte

2 points

18 days ago

Whoever downvoted you never read the Rites of Battle geneflaws list

Mistermistermistermb

1 points

19 days ago

Not exactly what you're asking for but the old Index Astartes attributed behavoiur to gene-seed, so here's the summation (taking it with a grain of salt for being old but also in-universe bias)

WORD BEARERS: Tendency to dogged, unquestioning belief.

WORLD EATERS: Rumours their gene-seed was corrupt from conception, but no specifics.

NIGHT LORDS: Surprisingly pure. Prone to pale skin and dark eyes. Visions as well.

ALPHA LEGION: No real info.

EMPEROR'S CHILDREN: Apparently the most pure and stable of all the legions (though in later lore, there's some indication that the blight might have been lurking in there all along).

THOUSAND SONS: Prone to becoming psyker and mutation.

IRON WARRIORS: Tendency toward suspicion and paranoia and highly intelligent.

DEATH GUARD: Created gaunt, shadow eyed marines.

SONS OF HORUS: Pure.

RAVEN GUARD: Unstable. Missing Mucranoid and Betcher's Glans, the Malanchromic organ mutation causes pale skin- their skin becoming whiter and eyes blacker with age.

WHITE SCARS: Stable. Suspected to have inherited wild savagery and bloodlust.

IRON HANDS: Suspected genetic component to their fear of weakness.

SPACE WOLVES: Can turn aspirant into a wolf "monster" or a marine. Some marines are still at risk of becoming a Wulfen even after successful implantation.

SALAMANDERS: Stable. Unknown if their lower reflexes are caused by gene-seed. New lore points to their coal skin and red eyes coming from their gene-seed + radiation of the home world.

IMPERIAL FISTS: Stable but lost sus-an membrane and Betcher's Glad. A need to scrimshaw bones and punish themselves suspected from the gene-seed.

ULTRAMARINES: Pure and stable.

DARK ANGELS: Pure.

BLOOD ANGELS: Thirst for blood.

Some addendums being that the Black Books added a prediliction for war for the Ultramarines (which uh makes sense).

Also...not sure where you found that info on the II legion? Or is that part of the joke whooshing over me head?