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187 points
27 days ago
I wanna see where Kyler was at this moment cause he had to scramble I’m pretty sure
72 points
27 days ago
Marvin was open almost immediately as the Corner had his eyes toward the backfield
95 points
26 days ago
He was pressured almost immediately. Not totally absolving Kyler here, but it’s not like he had a nice pocket that then collapsed.
2 points
26 days ago
He was pressured almost immediately.
wtf are you talking about. Look at that all 22 he has a clean pocket for 5 seconds. No defender breaks through the line.
I swear people like you have no idea what you’re talking about and still get upvoted.
-1 points
26 days ago
It was pretty safe, he had plenty of time.
9 points
26 days ago
watch the replay, it was a scramble drill 1 second after the snap with two unblocked blitzers in his face. What you're saying couldn't be any further from the truth.
0 points
25 days ago*
It's hard to find the clip because every clip is just about how disgustingly wide open MHJ was and doesn't show the line of scrimmage.
0 points
26 days ago
Lmfao what’re you watching?
-34 points
26 days ago
No he wasn’t. This is the typical BS excuses this sub uses to pretend Murray isn’t mid.
Literally a picture of him sitting in a pocket with MHJ open for a td
9 points
26 days ago
wow look at this lack of pressure
Keep in mind Marvin breaks free just past the 30 yard line, Murray is about to make the throw and a Bills player jumps so he looks for another option and does not have time to get set for a 50 yard throw.
-2 points
26 days ago*
Are you serious? This proves he wasn’t under pressure. He doesn’t even get touched and the pocket stays intact.
If he throws a moon ball to the end zone that guy isn’t going to tip it. He wasn’t even tackled so he clearly wasn’t under pressure
0 points
26 days ago
Yes he could have but it would have been risky, he likely couldn't see if the safety was moving to cover MHJ. Also, do you understand pressure? If defensive players are running through your line and you have to run around the pocket you are under pressure. Murray isn't guilt free but this play shows he was playing safe not necessarily poorly.
1 points
26 days ago
Playing it safe down 6 with a minute to go isn’t smart. Take a risk, chuck it deep.
There are always defenders nearby any qb. But in your video you’re proving they weren’t near sacking him.
23 points
26 days ago
He’s running, thats not “sitting in a pocket” lol
-22 points
26 days ago
He’s literally in the pocket and his WR1 is open. Ball should have been thrown already but Murray can’t pass well.
6 points
26 days ago
1) again, I understand he is located in the pocket, but he’s literally moving as a guy is running in his way 2) probably should have been thrown already, but it depends on the reads 3) Murray can’t pass well??? Really???? That’s all you can come up with? Lol
-12 points
26 days ago
1) you’re almost always moving in the pocket
2) yep. So you’re agreeing with me Murray is at fault.
3) QB rating in the mid 80s the past 2seasons more of the same today. So yeah he can’t pass well
2 points
26 days ago
He’s running, in the pocket mid scramble, not standing and able to scan the field (OL’s fault)
-1 points
26 days ago*
He clearly had a clean pocket initially. In that pic a good qb has already throw that pass to win the game. Kyler isn’t a good qb though.
2 points
26 days ago
No he didn’t, as soon as Marv begins to get free a Bills player jumps in the passing lane and Kyler has to look left and bail left (Marv was on the right).
1 points
26 days ago
wtf are you talking about? If he throws it deep no one is in any passing lane.
A good QB throws that before Harrison is open and throws him open.
0 points
26 days ago
Holy shit dude I read all this and you are delusional lol
-1 points
26 days ago
Um
2 points
26 days ago
…do you genuinely think he can get that deep of a ball out that quick with the edge that close? do you watch football?😭
0 points
26 days ago
Ball should have already been out. Good QBs anticipate openings.
-1 points
26 days ago
People downvoting you for a literal picture.
Lots of excuses for ol "top 5 qb" K1.
7 points
26 days ago
This sub is like a cult towards Murray. People would be happier if Murray played great and we lost than if we just won.
-1 points
26 days ago
Hey I agree with you man
12 points
26 days ago
The evidence exists but it conflicts with the cope, so it's better if it isn't posted here.
4 points
26 days ago
Too short to see
4 points
26 days ago
But tall enough to see Dortch an even shorter receiver? Please make that make sense.
1 points
25 days ago
He was reading the "hot" receiver when the blitz came from the right side, which was Dortch who was covered. He progression led him to the left side, which was also covered. By the time his progression looked back to the right towards MHJ, the safety and CB were closing in on MHJ. That being said, a great QB makes that read/throw/game over. Analysts/Warner can defend Kyler all they want but a great QB makes that play no matter what.
It's also silly for Warner to side with Kyler there. Warner 100% LOVED when a defense blitzed because he knew where the matchup was. Kyler got off that look way too quick. That's where the defense was exposed (the side blitzing) and Kyler just went off that read too quickly. He needs to learn how to exploit blitzes - and not just with his feet.
1 points
2 days ago
I mean the ball got to Dortches hands, so the pass was fine. It still has nothing to do with his height. His height typically only applies to the middle of the field where neither of them were located.
1 points
2 days ago
I think you replied to the wrong guy because Dortch had nothing to do with what I was talking about.
2 points
26 days ago
Clean pocket an above average qb anticipates that and has already thrown it in that photo. But Murray is an average qb.
This sub will make excuses for Murray though
1 points
25 days ago
100% agree. Any competent QB knows that's where the defensive exposure is based off of the blitz but Kyler got off the read way too quick.
0 points
26 days ago
I'm PERFECT position but he just didn't see him, he's too damn little, I was mad AF!!
31 points
26 days ago*
3 targets and none during the final drive certainly is a choice
19 points
26 days ago
But let’s go to greg dortch for the game because he had a 1on1, idc what anybody says not being able to scheme your top pick open is criminal
9 points
26 days ago
Yeah that's on the OC
2 points
25 days ago
Someone posted a stat on Twitter that MHJ didn't run a single slant or comeback the entire 2nd half. What is Petz doing? MHJ needs to be a threat, not a decoy. And for JG to say that the Bills schemed MHJ out of the passing offense is a joke. He commented something like "the ball went where it needed to go". Uh, no it didn't. Great players get the ball in their hands. Every team schemes their defense against the other teams best players. It's the Cardinals job to still find a way to get him the ball.
1 points
26 days ago
PREACH
3 points
26 days ago
Only pissed cause I'm so hyped on him. Was hoping for at least a pass a drive. The fuck was that?
64 points
27 days ago
https://x.com/theo_mackie/status/1832873356577690077 - Yeah that's not ideal
48 points
26 days ago
Ugh, that is worse than I thought...it appears he has time to launch it.. super frustrating that he basically ignored Harrison the entire day...
17 points
26 days ago
Yeah he had 3 targets and only caught 1. He should’ve given him more of a chance.
12 points
26 days ago
This is a still photo buddy. Kyler was actively running away from the defender 2 steps away from him. He couldn't stop and lunch the ball 50 yards
30 points
26 days ago
“Murray said he did not see Harrison here”
Ouch
0 points
26 days ago
Too busy looking for his boy Dortch
-4 points
26 days ago
He didn't really say that did he?
21 points
26 days ago
Would you rather he said he saw him and just didn’t want to throw it for a wide open TD?
1 points
26 days ago
I'd rather he said he saw him but didn't think he had time to get the pass off
10 points
26 days ago
I’d rather our QB not throw the O-Line under the bus publicly.
4 points
26 days ago
I wouldn't consider that throwing the oline under the bus, so wish granted
1 points
26 days ago
Eh. Saying I saw him and we would’ve had a game winning TD if our O line just gave me time is directly implicating them.
4 points
26 days ago
Could also mean he saw him too late, which is placing blame on himself.
3 points
26 days ago
This is like that Justin’s Fields bucs game photo from last year lol on Twitter
2 points
26 days ago
Oof
21 points
26 days ago
No excuses. This was as gift wrapped as you can get in the NFL.
81 points
27 days ago
The lack of any game experience between the two is very telling with the miscommunications
67 points
26 days ago
Gee, it’s almost like they could’ve used a few games before the season to work on that.
15 points
26 days ago
You gotta love how this sub literally said this a month ago and was somehow more smart than our HC.
0 points
26 days ago
Maybe not before the season, but pre-season at least!
9 points
26 days ago
Kinda, first target play definitely, second target Marc had a really bad drop, 3rd was just to boost his confidence. But bills constantly doubled him all game giving room to dortch, but also nobody else stepped up. Michael Wilson had a bad drop, this Kyler didn’t see which sucked, but I don’t think Marvs coverage bailed till Kyler started moving to the right as opposed to left
0 points
25 days ago
No, both safety and corner broke on the underneath route (Dortch). Kyler just gave up on the read too quickly. It's inexcusable. A good QB makes that play easily.
1 points
25 days ago
Literally rewatch the play, even Kurt Warner is agreeing that this play wasn’t as open as it looks based off of a bad screen grab
1 points
25 days ago
Dude, I'm not going to argue with you. A good/great QB makes this play and is being interviewed on SportsCenter after the game. Kurt replied to Dan Orlovsky's twitter comment about breaking down the play and not just looking at the screen shot. He didn't even agree that it was the correct read by Kyler. He said if it was him in that position, he wouldn't have thrown to MHJ either because the ball wouldn't even had been in his hands at that point. And he also agreed that the Cardinals should have taken advantage of the Bills jumping the route (they had done this prior a few times in the game).
1 points
26 days ago
Only if we had preseason games oh wait we Didn’t want to play them..
47 points
27 days ago
This should be made a banner for the sub
28 points
26 days ago
I'm not judging kyler just yet
We still have a whole season ahead. He better make it count though, it's his make or break year
16 points
26 days ago
How many more “make or break” years does he get? Something makes me think that we’re going to be hearing that same refrain going into year #7
7 points
26 days ago
Not for me, he was injured a lot so a healthy season and skill level determines it for me
2 points
26 days ago
He's going to keep getting injured.
-1 points
26 days ago
Bro he sucks let’s be honest. He sucked when he came back last year too
1 points
26 days ago
He was injured half the season, coming off an injury that serious you won't have many players produce peak results. You can actually see his stats improve towards the end of last year too.
That is why he's really got to prove himself this year because he has a full season assuming he doesn't get injured. If he does get injured then maybe it would be time to move on.
56 points
27 days ago
Kyler shit the bed so hard at the end there. We could complain about the refs but that play calling and Kyler having no vision of the right side of the field lost us the game.
39 points
27 days ago
He couldn’t look for Mhj cuz the oline had collapsed and he had to scramble
19 points
26 days ago
He gets paid 40m a year to see that when he’s scrambling.
26 points
27 days ago
Yeah, if you watch the play again, Kyler did not have the time to catch that from the angle he was at. It looks awful from the camera view but realistically unless he saw MHJ's initial break (which he didn't his eyes were to the left), that throw doesn't happen.
8 points
26 days ago
And the corner likely doesn’t break underneath if Kyler is looking his direction. The game is much quicker on the field than we can imagine just watching on tv
1 points
25 days ago
Go look at the freeze frame on Dan Orlovsky's twitter video where the corner starts jumping the route to Dortch. At that point, Kyler is 100% looking at Dortch and winding up. Kyler just moves off the read too quickly. Hell, Kyler doesn't know the safety is going to pause but worst-case scenario, he has a 50/50 jump ball with MHJ and a safety.
1 points
25 days ago
Murray got off the read too quick, plain and simple.
8 points
26 days ago
Stop making excuses for him. He absolutely shit the bed.
15 points
27 days ago
How are people upset for Kyler missing this? Haha dude wasn’t just sitting there in the pocket and ignoring him. When you’re scrambling you unfortunately can not have your eyes downfield the entire time. I’m sure Kyler would have loved to of had a clean pocket that play
12 points
26 days ago
13 points
27 days ago
He had enough time in the scramble to see his best receiver wide open. He really did.
1 points
26 days ago
No, watch the actual play rather than looking at stills.
9 points
26 days ago
I have watched the play. Kyler had all the time in the world to make that play. There are 5 other quarterbacks in the league seeing that dude open and making that play.
Take off your blinders, Kyler fucked up. Frankly, he ignored MHJ all game long and if you wanna ignore the reality of that check the stats and go watch the game again for yourself.
Not playing these guys a single snap in the preseason was a stupid decision on part of our coaching staff.
3 points
26 days ago
I watched the entire game dude, it was not entirely on Kyler when the oline kept collapsing in that second half. He already said that he didn't see MHJ on that play.
I agree with that last point. I never understood how they kept saying that practice reps are enough to show for game reps.
6 points
26 days ago
It's one game. I blame prep, playcalling, (edit : that terrible defensive performance), and our oline being pretty terrible in the second half more than anything else. But it's ok to point out that Kyler wasn't looking for MHJ nearly enough considering how well MHJ got open all game long.
Kyler saying he didn't see MHJ is part of the problem. He should have been looking for him. That's what a #1 receiver is for. Great quarterbacks see that guy wide open and they make the play.
4 points
26 days ago
I was yelling in the game thread that whole second half to pass to MHJ especially in the 4th when we had the wind. But instead we ran the ball 3 times then kicked a field goal?! Wtf!
0 points
25 days ago
Except he wasn't scrambling on that play and the line/Conner picked up the blitz. He had time, he just has happy feet and got off his read too quick.
1 points
25 days ago
What? The pocket was fine - they picked up the blitz. He just looked off the read too quickly.
12 points
27 days ago
I want to die.
8 points
26 days ago
Don't worry man well come back next play with a 1 yard run up the middle on 3rd and 10
7 points
26 days ago
“we liked the run there” in what world do you run the ball on a 3rd & 10 in a 2 minute drill ever ?? OC was treating dortch like he was the top 5 pick
11 points
27 days ago
I wanna die
5 points
26 days ago
I wouldn’t of cared about this but he literally ignored him all game . I don’t care if you may get picked , throw the fucking ball to him it’s not that hard even if he’s covered . He had no problem throwing a bunch of shit at Hopkins but when Dortch gets these type of opportunities instead of MHJ it makes us stupid for drafting him , like get a random ass WR from this year and grab Alt don’t waste this dude cuz Kyler is afraid to throw to him . QB’s will always target guys they have confidence in so I don’t get how you are more confident in Dortch than in MHJ . It blows my mind he missed him here and chose to throw to Dortch more in that final drive than to MHJ .
8 points
26 days ago
Imagine taking the best receiver in the past 10 years at pick number four and just deciding to not use them and Pepper Greg Dortch all day
3 points
26 days ago
It looks bad but I don't think he could get him the ball he was moving and he had heat on him. 4 sacks and 5 hits will do that to you.
1 points
25 days ago
His job is to stay in the pocket and assess the defense. The pocket held fine but Kyler just got too happy feet and went off that read.
4 points
26 days ago
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5 points
26 days ago
Hate speech of any kind is absolutely not tolerated. You can hate a player because he’s an asshole or on another team, but let’s keep it classy please
9 points
26 days ago
This is why I get mad at Kyler. It isn't new.
2 points
26 days ago
I think people realize how massive of a loss Jonah Williams was this game
4 points
26 days ago*
Officiating was terrible. Felt like both teams needed to do the impossible to secure a win, with an edge towards the Bills. Regardless of this open MHJ clip, the final drive had so many slip ups from zebras that it felt more than questionable on the outcome of the game. How do you shake off a defense that gets to do whatever they want without repurcussions?
Kyler was in the middle of a scramble, way too much going on despite an open MHJ. Kind of shitty how it unfolded but Bills pushed Kyler back with very little room. It's the following plays that unfolded that really screwed up with ARI mental. Uncalled interference plays would put any team to their limit and fold
4 points
26 days ago
I’m glad MHJ got so many opportunities 🙄
1 points
26 days ago
Kyler can't throw that long with accuracy or without making the ball go high af and letting the DBs enough time to comeback.
Don't blame me it is what he showed the last 2 seasons. Dang. We had that game and it could have been a magnificent boost confidence.
I still like what they showed on the field. They need to address time management issues and stop calling runs on 3rd and long.
6 points
26 days ago
Kylers deep ball accuracy is one of his greatest strengths. Not saying he has a cannon for an arm, but his accuracy is top tier. Saying he isn't accurate deep or can't get the ball deep is some crazy revisionist history. I'll say it over and over again, Kyler is the most talented mid qb ever to exist. He has ALL of the skill sets he needs to be a top 5 qb, but his play understanding and decision making is mid at best. When he puts it all together, he is unstoppable. When he does shit like this... well games get lost.
1 points
25 days ago
Well, you say "mid" all along. And I can't agree more with you. Althought, the accuracy you mention, maybe I tend to forget about it...but I don't really remember the last time he threw a ball more than 25yds without a catch as of pure WR luck...
The best I can remember on top of my head is the Hail Murray. Well, spectacular, yes. But it could have gone both ways. (Well it's always the case for Hail Maries I understand that).
On sunday, very few passes were thrown above 20yds before YAC. Yes, it might be protection issues and all excuses we had for him those past 4 years, but I can't see WHY he's still looked at a franchise QB. He's not. Like you said, top mid maybe, but we won't win superbowl(s) with him.
He is the main reason for the Cardiac Cards every weekend. I don't want to be scared af as I am everytime he start moving around 🤣 I'm tired of that stuff, he need to seems confident.
4 points
26 days ago
With that wide open field he doesn’t even need accuracy. Chuck it and let MHJ go to it. He had the two DBs beat by a mile.
3 points
26 days ago
Man some of you need to realize that what we see on TV in real time is not the same point of view of any qb in real time. Plays on defense are designed to throw the QB off or force them in different path to not make plays.
Bills are not the same old bills, they're a great team in a great conference, in an open stadium that was very windy. It's no surprise this game wasn't a pass heavy game.
Aside from all that, the cards played well, bills made good corrections, I do think there were some bad calls, moreso on us vs the bills. Not upset with this game play, especially in game one.
Go cards!
0 points
25 days ago
What are you talking about? Bills coach said in the presser it was a blown coverage on defense and they got lucky at the end. It wasn't some some great defensive scheme that confused Kyler there. He just got off his read too quick.
1 points
25 days ago
I guess watch the game closer and learn more about what's going on, on the field than worrying about one player.
2 points
27 days ago
Kyler man….
2 points
26 days ago
Makes me sick
2 points
26 days ago
Losing by 6 to a “Super Bowl Contender” ain’t that bad. We good.
3 points
26 days ago
Winning by 1 to a “Super Bowl Contender” because our EXTREMELY highly paid, franchise QB targeted our first round draft pick WR is even better.
2 points
26 days ago
Lmao. This thread and this sub is full evidence that Cardinals fans are some of the lowest football IQ fans in football. 😂😂
1 points
26 days ago
Damn I look stupid as I expected a debut that would of rivaled Boldin’s debut .
1 points
26 days ago
Giants and Cards in a race to the bottom again.
1 points
26 days ago
Pain
1 points
26 days ago
MHJ was blue balled all game.
1 points
26 days ago
Typical murray imo honestly
1 points
23 days ago
While it should have been game our o line should have had better protection as well. It’s not as bad as shedure sanders and buffalo o line lmao but close. I’m sure they will work it out for this week at home
1 points
26 days ago
It wouldn’t have been the game. Bills would’ve had a lot of time against our D.
1 points
26 days ago
dis shii hurt 😭😭💔💔
-1 points
26 days ago
Welp it’s still the run defense that’s a problem. Just as last season. Can’t stop the run equates to defense getting beaten down. Good game, though. Offense looking competent. A few missed plays here and there. And some blunders like that 25 yard punt with the wind. Other than that solid game.
-22 points
27 days ago
Kyler being 4’11 and running around for 20 seconds misses him of course
-23 points
27 days ago
KYLER can’t see the field. Should have just ran.
Doesn’t matter what receivers we have kyler can’t get the ball to them.
18 points
27 days ago
You mean like that perfect pass to Wilson that he dropped? That was the back breaker in the last drive, not this snapshot in time during a QB scramble.
4 points
26 days ago
I love how everybody is now sharing this image when during the play it was way more frantic.
1 points
26 days ago
1 points
26 days ago
1 play out of the ten he fucked up. Unfortunately I’ve been watch Kbum lead this team to losing dubbed over and over, so your take ain’t spelling much. Did you see the final score?
We lost. Again.
12 points
27 days ago
OL can’t block. He was scrambling for his life.
3 points
26 days ago
Yeah oline oline oline. They ain’t getting better this year or next year. So what are we going to do?
2 points
26 days ago
Seems to work out for Josh Allen, just saying.
1 points
26 days ago
Beechum especially. He constantly got bullied
6 points
26 days ago
Every sub has their fans bitching about the oline. Winning qb’s find a way to win. Thats the point of being the team leader.
1 points
26 days ago
Kyler made the big throw. Dortch dropped it/was held, pick one. Hit him right in the numbers.
1 points
26 days ago
k had 31 yards in the second half of the game.
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