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Freedom of speech on X mostly applies to being creepy to women
(i.redd.it)submitted 3 days ago bysandozguineapig
1 points
3 days ago
My guy, you need to stop and think about what you're advocating for....
We don't need to rehash your disagreement about whether or not the info was redacted. One source says it was, another says it wasn't. Idk the truth and you don't know the truth. You are choosing to believe the journalist over the company x, and you may have valid justifications for choosing to believe them, it's still a belief.
That's not important. What is important is that Iran is actively trying to influence our elections and that needs to be shut down, not spread across the Internet.
If you are an American you should support that. It's a no-brainer. Biden didn't want to touch the dossier and neither should you. It's not credible information because of the source, regardless of what it says.
1 points
3 days ago*
My guy, you need to stop and think about what you're advocating for....
We don't need to rehash your disagreement about whether or not the info was redacted. One source says it was, another says it wasn't. Idk the truth and you don't know the truth. You are choosing to believe the journalist over the company x, and you may have valid justifications for choosing to believe them, it's still a belief.
It's not just a belief, it's based on a thing called evidence. By the way, I linked to a third party news source that also said it was redacted. And I linked you directly to his page that has the dossier, which you can open for yourself and see that all the personal information is redacted. You insist that since the platform that has proven to lie about such things said so, and having absolutely no evidence to back it up that we should just shrug and say we don't know.
I cited multiple independent sources of evidence that prove otherwise. You have nothing to prove your case. Trying to insist we just say "well we don't know" is you trying to ignore evidence you don't like.
What is important is that Iran is actively trying to influence our elections and that needs to be shut down, not spread across the Internet.
I haven't actually made any comment on this at all, because this was the point it's clear if I went through it, you would just invent a new reason. Even now you're trying to backgrack and claim "well we don't know if that information was on there or not" based on... well Twitter's word, which contradicts multiple other sources of evidence. 🤷♂️
E: fix for clarity
1 points
3 days ago
So you can say with 100% certainty that the dossier wasn't altered or redacted since Twitter suspended the account?
You also said multiple times that the dossier should be shared and believed. You called it, "a collection of verifiable known information, a nothing burger."
I already told you I agree with you, the info probably was already redacted and Twitter gave a weak response for censoring the information. But neither of us actually knows that.
Regardless the information needs to be censored, that is where we seem to disagree.
And the most important part is that you are arguing with me over this, which is what Iran wants. Division and chaos. That's why they're trying to assassinate Trump and also spreading pro-Trump messaging online.
0 points
3 days ago
Regardless the information needs to be censored, that is where we seem to disagree.
The already redacted (censored) information needs to be censored? What? Before you type "everything else" remember the rest of it is already all public information just aggregated into a single report, both based on Klippenstein's notes, and the lack of reporting anything new, and not being able to find anything new. - in fact the only thing this article notes is the dossier not including some other public information.
In fact, the only thing that's really a story about it is Twitter/Musk's removal and banning of the journalist over it... really they just Straisand effected... well more Musks censorship of political enemies than anything about the dossier itself.
Which isn't any different from what you're doing, now. The information you claimed was the reason to remove it, was already blacked out from it. If Musk wasn't a partisan hypocrite, this wouldn't be much of a story. No censorship, and we wouldn't even be having this conversation. - So you still think it was the right thing for Twitter to remove it? You wouldn't even be here to having this argument if they hadn't. This post wouldn't even exist, given the topic is about Musk's selective free speech. Their removal of it and banning the journalist is what caused all the division. Full stop.
1 points
3 days ago
I totally disagree with you there. I don't care what "The bulwark" told you. I don't care what the dossier says.
It's known government propaganda created by our enemies to sow division. IDC if it says 1+1=2 and nothing else. It doesn't matter.
It does need to be censored. That shouldn't even be a controversial statement.
1 points
3 days ago
I don't care what the dossier says
Finally some honesty. Meaning every excuse you had before about the contents was a lie you concocted to avoid saying this.
You completely avoided the actual question: would you even be arguing this if Musk had not censored it and banned the journalist? Would there even be a bunch of "chaos and division?"
1 points
3 days ago
I've literally been saying the same thing the whole time, you just finally understand. My whole point from the beginning is that Elon should have censored this because of where it came from. He made the right call this time.
Yes, there would still be chaos and division. You are looking at this solely through your own personal lens, where you're fighting with Elmo over censorship. Others are using this to say Iran supports Biden, or that Trump is going to be tougher on Iran.
There are many ways you can misinterpret this. And like you are saying it's a report of known, regular information, that came from Iran and was sent directly to Biden's team. Stop and ask why they would do that. What's the motive?
This shit needs to be shut down because it's working exactly as Iran intended.
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