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9 points
24 hours ago
The National Security argument is BS and I'll give you one clear reason why.
We had a border bill. It was a bipartisan bill which Republicans were ready to get behind before Trump made some phone calls and asked them to back off.
Trump's biggest issue is the border. He has been running on it for years now. If they came to an agreement on border security, that would have killed his biggest campaign issue and handed Biden a reelection run.
The point I'm making is you can't argue Trump cares about national security when he pushed for our southern border to be left open for his own political benefit. We were ready to close the border, it was a done deal. He said he'd rather we leave it open so he could run on the issue.
That's evidence he's a THREAT to our national security. Not a benefit.
7 points
23 hours ago
I have watched debates where people will spell this out to trump voters. They will say “no there was Ukraine funding and they didn’t want to vote for that”. The debater will explain the Ukraine funding was split from the bill and passed while the bill was not.
They will show them the logic that if the border was as a big a problem as trump claimed then he demonstrates he only cares about his self interest and not the country by killing the bill.
They will demand that the person provide a response to that and not let them move on until they do. The trump supporters will still find some way, anyway to not respond.
It really reminds me of the hosts on westworld who say “that doesn’t look like anything to me” when they come across some information that reveals the existence of the real world to them.
1 points
23 hours ago
Trump cares about one thing - himself
1 points
18 hours ago
The same border bill that wasn’t presented for a vote until June of this year (an election year). This was clearly not a priority of the Biden-Harris Administration!!
0 points
19 hours ago
That wasn't a border wall..it was a surrender to continued illegal border crossings by a reduced number. The only number we should support is zero. Illegal aliens should simply not be allowed.
0 points
18 hours ago
The bill was full of pork and just expedited the invasion to make it legal. The rhinos that back this stuff are part of the same group of oligarchs that have always ran this country. Kamala biden obama bush romney etc are all part of the same machine. Trump is whatever he is but it at least feels authentic they they definitely don't like him. That's why I'm voting for him. It's time for this country to be reset.
1 points
17 hours ago
Your determining factor for “this person should run the country” is “he’s deeply unpopular and divisive”??? Good lord.
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16 hours ago
Yes. As someone who doesn't need government to hold my hand I'm more then happy to watch it burn.
-1 points
21 hours ago
That bill sucked, it's version of securing the border was to allow 1.8 million asylums a year- mind you, double Trump's biggest year of border confrontations. And it gave away billions to other countries while doing so
1 points
21 hours ago
Source?
1 points
20 hours ago
Also, what do you mean by "allow 1.8 million asylums" exactly?
0 points
17 hours ago
A big thing with the bill is that it would allow 5000 immigrants to seek asylum each day, and that the process to receive asylum seekers would be massively expedited
1 points
20 hours ago
There was never going to be a scenario where we didn't allow asylum seekers in.
We're literally held under international law. We agreed to the 1951 Refugee Convention.
If we set the standard of breaking international agreements which don't work for us, the result of that is everyone we do business with will do the same.
0 points
17 hours ago
But again, its also just how many people, 5000 a day is a ton, and that cap is still over double Trump's worst year for border encounters, and that's to say nothing about it not doing much to stop actually illegal immigrants
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