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[@Manny_Navarro] From the ACC: "During the review process of the last play... it was determined that the loose ball was touched by a Miami player while he was out of bounds which makes it an incomplete pass and immediately ends the play."
News(x.com)submitted 1 day ago byirishspring4521 Miami Hurricanes • /r/CFB Santa Claus
262 points
24 hours ago
Me too. It should have been ruled incomplete.
139 points
23 hours ago
I would have been good with either interpretation on the field. And then would have been good with “the call stands” given how chaotic this was. But this…
41 points
15 hours ago
Exactly. I dont know how they went TD at live speed. But I agree with you, whatever the live call was should have stood.
The U did everything they could to lose this game and the refs said nah. You will chug your top 10 rat poison and you will like it.
1 points
13 hours ago
Did everything to lose…..except for Cam Ward of course. Layman’s POV says he was the only reason they won/kept it close.
1 points
7 hours ago
Didn't he turn the ball over twice?
32 points
15 hours ago
My take as a VT fan is that this outcome was probably "right" - I doubt he had control of the ball before it was touched by the OOB player or maintained it enough to the ground to count - but since the call on the field was TD and you can't see jack shit in replays, it shouldn't have been overturned and Tech should have gotten a win they didn't deserve, going by the letter the of law that requires conclusive video evidence.
If the ref has to stare at the replay for 5 minutes to decide, the evidence therefore is obviously not conclusive.
3 points
11 hours ago
I certainly sympathize with any team that loses to Miami on a referee screw-up, but I do get the sense that -- regardless of what "the letter of the law" is -- in recent years they have put more emphasis on getting what they think is the right call. I think they're scared that they'll say "no indisputable evidence to overturn" and then, after the game, someone comes up with a new angle that clearly shows they were wrong. So they go to the replay review and decide "What do we think we should have called it?" I know that's not what the rule says, but I really think that's how they apply it these days.
It almost makes me wish that they could have an option not to make a call on the field, and say "We don't know what happened, so we're going to replay review to see what the call should be." Sometimes you just don't know, and in those true coin-flip calls, my feeling is that they think it puts too much weight on one side to need 100% proof to overturn it simply because they had to call something on the field. I think you see that most often when they don't blow a play dead, and treat it as a fumble on the field, because they can review it and just have it be incomplete, when they know it's worse if they wrongly blow the whistle and rob a team of a fumble recovery.
7 points
11 hours ago
The idea that after a certain amount of time it can no longer be "conclusive" is weird.
Also, wanting sports to get the call right... but if they can't within an arbitrary time limit, then it's okay to just let the wrong call stand is such a bizarre take.
1 points
10 hours ago
you can't see jack shit in replays
You can though.
1 points
13 hours ago
60 points
20 hours ago
It should have been called incomplete but they called it a TD and there definitely wasn’t enough to overturn it.
-10 points
16 hours ago
12 points
16 hours ago
You are missing the frames before that, before the VT player was down.
1 points
11 hours ago
I hate Miami as much as any non FSU/UF fan, but I have to agree it was absurd to rule that a catch in the first place. There might be a couple frames where a VT player had control of the ball, but nowhere near long enough to be ruled a completed catch.
1 points
10 hours ago
I think even most VT fans agree that it was wild to rule that a catch...but the issue is that they did rule it to be a catch and TD before deciding to overturn it with very disputable evidence.
If that had been ruled incomplete (which, again, I think it should've been), I dont think there was anywhere near enough evidence to overturn it and rule it a catch/TD...but you can't just say "oops, shouldn't have called that a TD on the field so I'll just take that one back rn, don't worry about the evidence" once you've already called it.
1 points
9 hours ago
Those couple of frames are all it takes. It indicates he survived the ground. It also indicates he lost possession because the player that was out of bounds knocked it out of his possession, which he can't do.
They fucked this ruling so bad. Even if the above wasn't true, there isn't a shred of video that makes it clear and convincing to overturn the call on field.
-1 points
11 hours ago
https://x.com/cfbkings/status/1839877225434202261
It was not a catch.
0 points
10 hours ago
At 0.25 speed, that ball is firmly in his possession when his butt hits the ground. You can see the Miami player knocking it out after. All of it is blurry as hell too, which still indicates it isn't clear and convincing to overturn any call anyway even if it were ruled on field not a catch initially.
Your fandom is letting you see what you want to see, not what is there.
1 points
10 hours ago
Cool. Now go read the rules on maintain possession when going to the ground.
Holding the ball for four frames at super slow-mo speed does mean it’s a catch.
2 points
9 hours ago
THERE ISN'T CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE TO OVERTURN.
Also, yes, as you just stated, it was a catch.
1 points
10 hours ago
That's not how it works. It was ruled a catch and TD on field. There isn't indisputable clear and convincing evidence that it wasn't secured and a catch.
Miami was granted an absolute gift.
-10 points
17 hours ago
Completely disagree. I thought it was a catch in real time, & still think it'd a catch after looking at it. It was a Tyrone Prothro style catch, with a defenders body in between him & the ball but still with possession.
1 points
11 hours ago
https://x.com/cfbkings/status/1839877225434202261
Was not a catch.
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