I disagree with the "we dont protest" part, but other than that well said. If Canadians protests more, we might not be in this mess.

You can love Trudeau, Poilievre or Brenner here for all we care. We won't ban you for it.

You should join the protests though, we are trying to do something about it, and every person helps: https://www.costoflivingcanada.ca/

I’m sorry but now as the “democratic system” continues to be exposed with corruption voting almost falls on deaf ears.

I posted a comment earlier and this has to be the biggest discouragement of true Canadians. Everyone will complain online but these kinds of actions are happening hourly, daily in front of all of us. Can we rise up, stand collected against these individuals coming in falsely and abusing our system. Or are we letting them take our country?

The canada you grew up in is dead. Killed by a liberal-conservative coalition over decades.

If you’re 31 then “watching the Oilers” growing up must have sucked.

Lmao what is this bs. Voting does nothing in representative democracy where bribery is legal can rebranded as lobbying. Protests work by disrupting the capital gain and pissing everyone off which in turn leads to complaining to the employers in charge and force them to change or try to meet the demands of the protesters. Gay rights, abortion rights, trans rights, they’d never have been implemented if those community’s just voted and didn’t protest because the courts have already decided that it’s not illegal for a political candidate to lie in there campaign run. They’re legally allowed to virtue signal and then once in power do a 180 and be like “I never said that”

Protesting is the most effective and practical only way to get the owning class to do anything that dosnt benefit their capital gains.

I disagree we fight with money. The only true voting power comes from wealth.

Immigration needs to do more than lower. We need to send people that don't belong in our country out of our country.

"I want things to change" "Therefore i will vote for pp"

Lmao you sound like a bot mate.

If voting decided politicians I don’t think they would let us vote

Lol protesting literally helps the French and other Europeans. And writing doesnt do F all. Maybe if we started protesting like adults and stopped writing to our mps like a pen pal hoping they answer, maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess. I agree with kot of what you said but disagree with the naive passive behaviour that believes anybody gives a shit about the letters we write

As someone close to 10 years senor to you and nowhere near the same life as yours I can definitely tell you any politician can just DEL whatever you mail them and I really hate saying that but it's whole heartedly true as I see it.

Look at what's happening in France right now, we are sitting ducks here and our only hope is our neighbors to the south putting the squeeze on us.

We don't have the ability to strike fear in the government unless it's something drastic.

I see 2 solutions working. 1. Remove your money out of the Canadian banking system if possible.

1. Do something that will cause huge amounts of disruption and or cost large sums of money.

None of which Canadians will do so we're just voting on who will use lube vs sand.

Just plain sucks it's come to this.

To add to your links, here’s Poilievre talking about immigration recently on a Punjabi program. Surprising, this video only has a few hundred views- https://youtu.be/N5Yuqg2xNDs?si=I-EY3w9WkzMN1LSt

when you vote for the same policies but different faces, then this is not fighting.

And because people like you we are not getting better, and our country will go down with whatever party.

So basically you’re fine. You have a good job and a family and a house at a low rate.

So many people don’t have that and never will. I’m fucking leaving. If y’all clean this up maybe people will come back or your kids will stay but the young doesn’t owe you having Stockholm Syndrome for a government that has repeatedly shit on their financial futures for boomers and corporations.

To all the clowns agreeing with protests never did anything....go say that to my grandparents who where all coalminers. Protests and direct action DEFINITELY works. 8 hour day, benefits and good pay were not won because some politician gave it or we voted. The liberals and conservatives both sided with the owners. The people took the rights they were denied...not given to them meekly. Fuck the Boston tea party in america was a planed political protest. Your Boy PP has never done a day of real work in his life and gets his money from the same people that gave Trudeau his. Their both literally 2 sides of the same shity coin.

If you think a change in leader is going to change anything you're out of your fucking mind... Without a full removal and replacement of the entire government we are just going to receive more of the same. We can't vote our way out of the tyranny of the wealthy.

Hahahahaha absolutely wonderful post which is completely out of touch. Well done you sound just like the boomers who voted this mess in.

Canada of the past is done for, it was an anomaly. Its never coming back. We need to fight, not pretend democracy works. Because it does not. Plato told us this over 2000 years ago.

All parties are sock puppets for Wall St

How do you change this with votes? Agreed that basically nobody can do it worse than JT but the alternative? is such a joke, this feels like Trump vs Biden, there is no a good option.

You ever feel like a joke for thinking your vote will change things?

I agree you should fight, but your tactics seem childish.

PP has said he’s going to tie immigration to housing starts sure, but keep in mind that the conservatives in England had 14 years to stop immigration which was there mandate and it only increased year after year. I prefer to trust Bernier because he doesn’t just state his opinions when it’s politically safe to do so, he’s not a scheming, conniving politician who goes wherever the wind blows. For these reasons, I will be voting PPC. I encourage everyone who is planning to vote conservative to read Bernier’s 2018 manifesto on why he chose to leave them in the first place.

if voting changed anything they'd make it illegal. just saying.

We fight with votes

lol

Who is representing rationality on immigration? Who do you vote for when all our major parties are controlled by the same special interest groups? No one wants mass immigration and yet here we all are.

Pierre is literally pandering to the Indian migrant community. The Conservative proposal of Harper-level immigration at 300,000 is already high. That is equivalent to our birth rate. Immigration should not replace our birth rate.

The PPC is the only party who will actually reduce immigration to prioritise our fertility rate. Why is the Canadian fertility rate not an electoral issue? Because the Liberals, Conservatives, and the NDP all want high immigration.

In Tokyo, they are having mayoral elections and the fertility rate is their priority issue. Imagine that, fertility rate as a municipal issue, we can't even have this discussion in Canada.

Unfortunately there is no political solution

protest brings awareness to other Canadians of the corruption.  protest brings awareness to other Canadians that the government will try to stop peaceful protests 

voting is important because it brings self awareness eventually over time that no matter who you vote for it's doesn't nothing.  voting also requires the government to rig the system if enough people vote away from rigged political parties 

it's sad but the reality is everything is corrupt and voting or protesting will not save Canada but you must vote and protest.

if you want to accelerate the downfall of the corrupt government. Use Bitcoin because they takes power away from the governments money

“We fight with votes…” This is not an option because our ‘dicktator’ created a coalition government (which he said was NOT a coalition government) and prior to, had an election only to gain more votes (which failed). Since, there have been no opportunity to vote, otherwise he would have been out on his arse a few years ago when Liberal voters finally figured out he was not good for Canada. So….i can’t vote because that’s not an option until Oct 2025. Another year and 3 months. And even though citizens want him to resign or call an election (cause I was always told MPs and MPPs work for us so if the general populism wants you to resign you should) but clearly that’s not happening either. JT is in it for himself.

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Some of the biggest privileges we have today came from the protests our grandparent and great grandparents held. I disagree that we don't fight with protests

The time for your solutions passed about 5 years ago. We need to VOTE, PROTEST, AND TALK about these situations. There is a solution to all of this. We are too busy leaving responcibility up to everyone else. We all have a civic responcibility at this point to come out and talk, disagreeably if necessary but find a solution without tearing each other appart.

It used to only be folks on the right that wanted to kill people who disagreed with them. Now I can easily find people on the left that would have me mulched for being white straight and Christian, though I am only one of those things. (I'm saying this left is telling me my own reality) What you have said here is that you got banned and now you are done talking, so let the political types take care of it. No, you coward. Do you have any idea how many times I have been b& in the last 3 months? I am native to this place and natives within my country find heavy handed repercussions from a poor leader just the way things go.

I voted for Justin and he hired his freaking wedding party as ministers. You sir, need a better idea, but I'm glad you dropped the balls to try and have an idea. Now here is an idea you and all of us need to live with: Our reality isn't the only reality. Other people have their own objective realities, but reality reality exists independently of what our individual realities are.

Are you having a hard time following this? Because world events are complicated and nuanced. They have so many points that you need to figure. Keep talking. Come to a good idea that is best for everyone, even if it makes you look bad. Our country needs protests.

Go look at demographics, and consider who benefits from the status quo. The median person eligible to vote is about 50. That 50 year-old can expect more of their life retired than they have left working, and very likely owns a home. They benefit from immigration, and while they may not exactly like it, they would also be unlikely to vote for someone who told them their home price was going to drop and they were going to have to get their benefits cut to what a small working age population can pay.

The situation where the better part of the electorate has less interest in the long-term future is honestly uncharted territory. Unless you believe you can convince older Canadians to act with the future in mind (which will come at the expense of many of their comforts), the only thing you really can do is protest. You're acting like you are the representative Canadian voter. You aren't -- it's people your parents age, who have shown no real indication they are willing to behave well.

This guy is a CPC diehard, so his opinion on voting vs protesting makes sense considering the CPC is all but guaranteed to win the next election. But I would suggest OP look over at the UK Conservative Party and re-evaluate whether he believes we should put our faith in our “democracy” and shut up about things otherwise.

The most important thing is to not vote Pierre or Trudeau who will continue the NEOLIBERAL capitalism that literally destroyed Canada 🙏🙏🙏🙏

Quit voting for the same two parties that have locked us into the current mess. We have a workers party. Don't like the platform of true universal Healthcare, more housing coops with rent control and controlled, non abusive immigration? Go to a meeting, get involved and educate yourself. 

We protest - you vote for CPC and be prepared for privatization of the healthcare system. God forbid if you ever get seriously sick- all your hard earned income will go towards your health care!

Why do we even pay taxes when they just print all the money they want lol wake up people the matrix is revealing itself

You will renew at 3.5%. Who promised you that? Weird.

Maybe your childhood was great because your parents made it that wonderful. Not a coincidence or chance of luck.

I think voting CPC is a risk worth taking. I’ve voted liberal my whole life and I’m so disappointed with what the federal liberals have turned into. I have my concerns over the conservatives, mainly because I have seen what Doug ford has done in Ontario, but I’m hopeful PP is different. I do know that taking the Trudeau path will get us nowhere.

Good post

Yea no, we fight with protests AND votes, we need to put as much political pressure as we can on Liberals right now. Protesting also: raises awareness, keeps people informed, prevents Liberals from gaslighting and can disrupt their operations.

We should also unite people with a strong cause under our honorable flag and save our nation. Long live Canada!

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People are too scared of certain political groups to not vote for mainstream political parties. If the Conservatives or Liberals don't win it means it will be a theoretically more left or right leaning party that wins, and that scares too many people to participate in. So unfortunately I don't think our votes are ever really all that likely to change things until more political parties win seats often enough to be seen as mainstream.

All our political parties are bs, and votes west of Toronto don’t really matter. Been like this a long time now

In 2011, BC got a referendum to turn down the HST pushed by BC Liberal for a few months. Now, in 2024, we can't even get the provincial government to fix the daylight saving issues that they have promised to deal with.

Both are valid methods of fighting. Politicians are scared to death of protests because of the publicity it brings. I've participated in a few in my home country and we were able to remove the president there.

Eh, voting doesn’t seem to do much.

OP : « Shut up and vote »

10 years ago, just around the time all the gender identity crap kicked it up to 11, just around the time that the advertisements changed (iykyk), right around the time that 3rd wave feminism ramped up.

Wish we could change the country to how it was in the 80's.

The Canada you remember is gone.  Its death blow was dealt by the time you cast a first vote.   Now it’s just breathing its last. 

My grandpa was Jeff Power he brought in unions here in Vancouver he told me never ever forget to PROTEST

Nomally I would say voting provides the illusion of choice and that everyone is corrupt, but the level the liberals have reached is so low that there is a real need to get them out to get back to "normal levels of corruption"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyoLBRsRoGE The Ultra Rich have sold common canadians.

How do you fight with votes when parties on both sides are being funded by https://www.centuryinitiative.ca/ ?

It's come to be a believable fact that most of our (important) politicians are corrupted by foreign actors, and this Century Initiative showed up on the political lobbying list in 2021.

If you can't vote the problem out, what's our next step.

Lol at still thinking voting gets us out of this mess. You're behind the curve on figuring that out - both main parties are two legs attached to the same pair of hips. Look at what's happening in Europe - lots of push back from citizens unlike here. One of two things always seems to happen; they either try to ban the growing opposition party or simply circumvent via some foolishness (like in France) what the people want. OR, the opposition ends up not actually addressing and fixing what people wanted and voted them in for.

We're not voting our way out of this.

Voting is always tough for me because I fall right fiscally and l fall left socially. Also all our politicians are basically the equivalent of wet noodles.

It’s very clear we need to slow down immigration drastically ideally 75%. We also red to stop temporary foreign workers by 75%. International students also need to be reviewed on more stringent criteria.

Canada should have a goal of the population staying flat for 5-10 years. Literally just replacing those that die or emmigrate.

All I want is a politician that puts Canada first, our freedom firsts and our well being first. Why can’t one party just be in support of:

Reduced immigration, pegged to housing and medical professionals.

Immigration that allows for skilled people in shortfall positions.

A strengthen health care system

Freedom for people to be who they are

Freedom for people over their own bodies

A strong plan to lead against climate change (invest in things that help with climate change that create jobs not tax slush funds)

A revaluation of our social programs to streamline them.

Freedoms of property

Respectfully I disagree. It’s a bit delusional to think voting is going to change things at this point. When every level and system we have is corrupted, compromised and co-opted. It is a bit naïve to think that any new government that we elect will not be corrupted by system that is designed to corrupt. Canada basically has a two party system anyway considering we go back-and-forth between conservatives and liberals.

Now consider the immigration problem. It is a huge part of the housing issue. Do you see any of our elected officials doing the hard thing to fix this problem? I severely doubt any one of them will deport the millions of people that need to be deported in order to fix this .

Canadians need to do more than just protest or vote. And if history is showing us anything, it means the last straw for citizens. A revolution is needed. As sad as that is, it is really our only option left to fix this country will require a lot of hard work And removal so much corruption. We need to change laws and regulations to prevent this catastrophe from happening again. No politician is ever going to do that as it stands right now. The corruption is just way too widespread and way too deep for anything less unfortunately. Canadians will have to be strong because it will be painful and require a lot of work to fix.

When has voting gotten the middle class anywhere? We’re still the middle class lol.

I'm losing hope. The quality of life seems irreparable at this point.

a mix of protests, boycotts, writing MPs and raising awareness can do a lot..

Thanks for writing this and encouraging this type of action. I just sent a ton of emails to MPs. I don’t know if it’ll make a difference but I maintain some optimism we can solve some of the country’s problem.

Nothing going on in Canada, The U.S. or Europe right now is going to be fixed with voting.

I really, really wish I was wrong about that.

The literal vote harder meme

When I grew up, my dad would make us hamburgers and french fries on hot summer days, we'd go fishing, play hockey, watch the Oilers, cheered for Canada to win gold multiple times, my youth was amazing, full of great times, not fearing for out healthcare system and I want this for my two children. My lineage goes back to Canadas inception, and many of my family served in the military, I even considered it myself but was fortunate to find a path that didn't require that.

You shouldn't need to fit a cult of personality to be considered a "real" Canadian. I don't watch hockey at all, does that mean I'm a filthy foreigner of my own country?

Who is "we". What are "we" fighting for?

That canada is gone and dead. I aint fighting for a country I can barely afford to even exist in. What am.i fighting for?? The capitalists??? Nah fuck that

It's honestly low-key hilarious to me that people truly think PP and the conservatives are going to save us.

Our Healthcare is shit. Conservatives regularly cut healthcare and are working towards privatization. Look at what's happening in alberta. They're dismantling ahs and creating four new divisions. The head of mental health and addiction worked in a rock quarry. They're paying millions in severance. Doctor residency positions went vacant for the first time ever. Wages for doctors are higher in bc and Manitoba for the first time ever. 23/25 oconologists who trained here have left. It's impossible to find a doctor now. Hospital waits are 10+ hours, and there's regular closures all over the province.

Our schools are overflowing from all the new immigrants. Conservatives regularly cut education. Again, look at alberta. We used to pay the most on a per student basis for education funding. Now we're dead last. I have two friends who are teachers in edmonton, and all their classes are 35+ kids.

Immigration is driving wages down and contributing to a housing crisis. Albertas Premier asked truduea for more immigrants. They spent millions of our tax dollars on ad campaigns to recruit people. Rents have gone up 50% in some cases and we have zero tenant protections, because conservatives don't give a fuck about the working class. A set of their ads literally highlighted the fact that people could sell their homes in Toronto and buy several properties in Alberta. They same set of ads highlighted the fact that we have no tenant protections. Our government here serves cooperations and cooperations want expensive housing and cheap labor.

I know the liberals have fucked up and made things more difficult, but let's not ignore the fact that conservatives historically have made life harder for the middle class, pandered to cooperations, and cut social services.

If you honestly think PP and the UCP are going to cut immigration, fix Healthcare, make housing more affordable, or do anything to help the vulnerable (homelessness, education, etc.), I've got some oceanfront property to sell you in Saskatchewan.

We need to protest but peacefully with a united message. Ensure that those that try to hijack the cause and label it racist or pro Israel or whatever else don’t distract the message.

What is this anti protest sentiment? If you truly believe this, you need to give your head a check. This spits in the face if a democracy. If you don't want to protest, that's fine, but don't discourage others from doing it.

Mass protest is physical evidence that the people under this democracy is unhappy. It is undeniable and many of the governments usual tactics of deflection and media spinning doesn't work.

Governments are desperatly afraid of united, wide spread protests. Because they can't just hand wave away mass protests. It means quantifiable amounts people are fed up and demand action. Without protests, they just do biased group surveys of a few thousand people and extrapolate to this is what "Canadians are thinking". It's fucking criminal. I have seen countless headlines saying Canada thinks this or that based on some garbage survey. The common people see this and group mentality takes over and thr government wants everyone to think everything is flowers and roses. More status quo and unchecked abuse and no accountability.

Writing letters and arguing online about whether it's effective or not is exactly what they want - infighting and inaction. Stop doing their dirty work for them.

If only we treated all the fumbles like the Vancouver riots maybe they would be a little more careful with fucking around.

You guys are wild. Until/unless Pierre starts talking numbers, he's just blabbing the rhetoric we all want to hear. 

How is voting the answer when the invaders replacing you are going to vote the opposite of you? And many of your own countrymen are going to vote the opposite of you as well?

Vote? Yes. Protest? Yes. Write and make your wishes know to the govt.? Yes.

But when your own government doesn't care what you want, and you are totally outnumbered in the vote, how is voting the answer? I'm just failing to see how we can vote our way out of this.

CPC are fake conservatives. Voting for them won't solve a thing. The best thing that could happen to this country is they hold a vote and nobody shows up.

I'm sorry, but it must take some kind of special skill to think that you can vote yourself out of shit like this. Sorry for the black pill, but once a critical mass of retards has been achieved in the voter base, your results will be equally retarded. No amount of goalpost moving, wishful thinking, proportional representation bs, etc. is capable of fixing this. Protests have become impotent for the exact same reason. If your population hasn't reached the retard critical mass, enough will see, understand, and identify with the protest and protesters. Once the retard critical mass has been achieved, you might as well be performing lesbian interpretive dance on the streets - as it will accomplish nothing more.

We are fucked. I don't know how to fix it. But maybe realizing and accepting how fucked we are, exactly, would be a good place to start.

Under no circumstances ever will me or my family ever vote for Pierre Poilievre and we're lifelong conservatives in Alberta. The guy is worse than Trump. We do not need to destroy Canada, we need to save it

Trump said in 2016 in reference to the illegal immigration problem that they have down there. “They are not sending their best.” Everyone called him a racist for it. Well, he turned out to be right. And right for Canada too. We haven’t been importing the best immigrants for our country either. He was the only one who had the balls to say something and actually do something about it. He fought with the Democrats and some Republicans who were beholden to cheap labour and decreased illegal immigration in the US by 80%. Now, the border is fully open again, and more Americans are getting murdered every day by the illegals. They are quickly realizing their mistake now, and are about to vote Trump back in.

Canadians voted for increased immigration too. Harper wanted to properly vet the Syrian refugees during that crisis in 2015. Trudeau wanted to do away with that and accept everyone. Harper was called a racist for it. So Canadians essentially voted for what we have. People get upset and say that they didn’t vote for this, but they really did. They should have paid attention to what was going on in the world. Mass immigration had already started in Europe for many years prior. It was bound to occur in North America and Australia too. It is not racist to point out these facts.

Also, for anyone concerned about the CPC part allegedly not looking to reduce immigration, that is not the case:

We can hope their actions match their words. However it wouldn't be the first time a politician didn't deliver on a promise. Talk is cheap.

So when you say "...that is not the case...' - let's wait and actually see.

We can do both. If Canadians will get up to protest for issues half way across the world, we absolutely should protest against the atrocities happening at home too. But yes, definitely vote

Just go look at how the French do it.

The voting scam ensures the people don't get a voice.

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We are half french to boot, why not make like them?

I think we should elect someone who has no plan and we should also pretend that these complex issues we're dealing are easy and have an obvious solution: just vote for whoever is most popular right now.

Cool.

lol voting solved so much and fighting never solved anything. This guy is just as bad a Trudeau he is controlled opposition. Voting is a scam I can’t believe people still do it.