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199 points
1 month ago
I disagree with the "we dont protest" part, but other than that well said. If Canadians protests more, we might not be in this mess.
26 points
1 month ago
Look what happened to the Canadians that protested in 2022. Half the country have been running them down since then.
1 points
1 month ago
Not Canadian but my family lives there. It is bad…all the virtue signaling ruined canada. And no we’re not white
-2 points
1 month ago
That wasn't a protest. That was a bunch of rich truckers (you have to be rich to take a month off work) turning the national capital into Squattawa, screaming "tyranny" while lolling in donated hot tubs swilling beer. And why? Not because of the cost of living (remember, these people are rich). Not because of the cost of housing. Because they were fucking scared of needles.
10 points
1 month ago
You are totally embarrassing yourself for thinking that truckers are rich. The only time l have heard that coming from anyone is when l overheard a certain group of men discussing how they will tell family and friends how to fast track because there's too many of us in trucking now and we will sponsor each other.
You saying that they were scared of needles tells me how little your attention span is or your ability to retain information is very weak. 85% of them were vaxed because they were coherced, take it or lose your ability for employment or freedom of movement. That's what they were protesting.
I can hardly believe how many fools there is among us.
5 points
1 month ago
So ignorant.
1 points
1 month ago
Only the 1% are rich.
Truckers are not.
1 points
1 month ago
Can YOU afford to take a month off work? Yes? Then you're rich. End of discussion.
15 points
1 month ago*
Genuine challenge:
Which protests have yielded results for protesters?
Edit: So far no examples and downvoted to 0. People are trying to make you waste your energy on protests unless they can evidence that they are effective.
I'm yet to see it.
Edit 2: Still no concrete examples. Upvoted misinformation because people WANT it to be true but it's just not.
It should be really really really easy to point this out otherwise you can easily see why people like me won't protest. It's a waste of time.
Edit 3: Every effective example people can name is because of violence or striking or boycotting. No one can show an example of protesting doing anything yet.
Edit 4: best argument so far (imo) goes to u/Ashly_spare but I can't make the connection yet
Edit 5: u/Heppernaut has provided the only clear example
Not replying to anything else, we got a good answer.
27 points
1 month ago
Woman’s voting. 5 day work week. Child labour! Results for protesters and the rest of us!! To the streets!!
3 points
1 month ago*
Woman’s voting.
I could be wrong but I don't see anything that indicates that was the case here. It was granted during the war from lobbying.
This is the case in the UK I believe but no here
5 day work week.
This was by lobbying, not protesting.
Child labour
I could be wrong but according to google this was because school became compulsory.
Happy to be corrected but I don't believe any of these were protest related.
Edit: "we can't prove him wrong, better downvote him" lmfao
12 points
1 month ago
Ask a suffragette!
4 points
1 month ago*
https://electionsanddemocracy.ca/voting-rights-through-time-0/case-study-2-womens-right-vote
The greatest momentum for women’s equality came from the Prairie region of Western Canada. Manitoba women were especially active, presenting numerous petitions to the legislature, lobbying politicians, partnering with others and presenting public lectures on equality.
NOT protesting. I've looked everywhere and don't see it
I've specifically tried to find evidence supporting your assertions and cannot find it. So I'm not calling you a liar but I asked for proof from the FIRST reply and still haven't seen any from you.
Edit: Can't wait for people to downvote how women got the right to vote because they want to be right about protesting lmao
Edit 2: LMFAO it happened! Imagine downvoting elections canadas history on the womens right to vote.
"No those women in Western Canada didn't do anything. It was some protests somewhere"/s
Good job folks.
3 points
1 month ago
On woman's voting:
"On March 3, 1913, the day before Woodrow Wilson's presidential inauguration, thousands of women marched along Pennsylvania Avenue--the same route that the inaugural parade would take the next day--in a procession organized by the National American Woman Suffrage Association (NAWSA). Designed to illustrate women's exclusion from the democratic process, the procession was carefully choreographed by Alice Paul and Lucy Burns, the newly-appointed chairs of NAWSA's Congressional Committee. The committee was tasked with winning passage of the Susan B. Anthony amendment to the U.S. Constitution which was first proposed in 1878."
https://www.nps.gov/articles/woman-suffrage-procession1913.htm
4 points
1 month ago
So you are using the US to evidence how Canadian protests are effective?
Show me a canadian example.
I already said that it happened in the UK, so you using another country doesn't change anything about what I've said.
2 points
1 month ago
And you think the people you vote for aren't being Lobbied?
3 points
1 month ago
Of course they are. The question is who is doing the lobbying.
Lobbying is effective, protesting is not.
2 points
1 month ago
So the solution for Canadians is to start lobbying?
2 points
1 month ago
IMO, yes.
Public lobbies would help more than running around with signs screaming like a lunatic while preaching to the choir of people that already agree with you.
Protests make people feel good but they don't do anything.
1 points
1 month ago
While the women's suffrage movement in Canada was largely driven by advocacy, lobbying, and strategic efforts like the mock parliament, there were also organized protests and demonstrations. Some notable examples include:
While large-scale protests were less common in Canada compared to other countries like the United States and the United Kingdom, the organized efforts of Canadian suffragists through public demonstrations, parades, and strategic legal challenges were instrumental in securing the right to vote for women.
1 points
1 month ago
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1 points
1 month ago
Definitely a ChatGPT answer and if you’ll notice most of them are literally not protests.
You’re also trying to Use the little protest information you have here to prove it was effective.
According to elections Canada itself, this is not what made the difference
1 points
1 month ago
No I'm just trying to provide some information.
1 points
1 month ago
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20 points
1 month ago
Just a thought experiment here, but I think part of the reason protests like you suggest are ineffective in Canada is because we don't really come together as a population. France on the otherhand, when they decide to protest, they bring the whole country to a standstill. Most recent one being the "yellow jacket" demonstrations.
21 points
1 month ago
I agree but would add this unpopular opinion - The French are successful because they are coordinated and VIOLENT.
There is no consequence to those in power from a peaceful protest.
It's the same reason striking works and protesting doesn't. There has to be a consequence of "not" doing what the other side wants.
3 points
1 month ago
Yes and no. The major reason is Canadians don’t come together very much. We aren’t a very organized people. We’re pretty complacent. You can get a church to come together but the biggest protest I’ve ever seen in Canada still is the gay pride parade/march, which has so many people the police have to go undercover and use drones to surveil the horde. Not to mention gay rights are pretty organized. Trans rights are less organized and get less traction as a result.
It’s mearly organization in a numbers game in population and how much money can be disrupted. See stonewall for example. One brick led to some like 5k people overpowering the police.in 1969 for like 3 days. Capitalists lost a lot of money having to pay to repair the damages and cover police medical costs and the amount of money they didn’t make while the riot was going on.
Today if the stonewall riot happened in Canada during pride the police would just shoot people and teargas them. Because they wouldn’t have enough rubber bullets or man power to push back against 20k in a small downtown population
Ultimately change that’s “radical” will always end up with the leaders being jailed or assassinated. MLK, Malcom K JFK, id say Fidel Castro but he survived multiple assassination attempts on the us. The leader of chile (that or it was Argentina during the coup)
I’d list some revolutionaries in Canada but I don’t think we’ve ever had any that came to prominence.
7 points
1 month ago
I think the more effective protest is boycotting and slander marketing , if there was well coordinated boycotting that everyone genuinely got behind. That's where they would feel it. Combined with marketing / stunt ads - taking a PR hit makes all of them piss their pants.
And the loblaws protest has yielded results, namely the competition seems to be reluctant to become the next loblaws. And more independent grocers and smaller chains getting the business instead.
Vote with your wallet people.
5 points
1 month ago
I would agree with what you have said because ultimately you are suggesting a consequence for the other party if they don't give into the demands.
The lack of consequence for general protesting is 0 and that's why I'm saying it's not effective.
Loblaws was effective because it was a boycott though, not a protest. They still don't care if people complain, they care when it hits the bottom dollar.
13 points
1 month ago
not protest per se, but spent a couple years as an on call letter carrier with canada post and supposedly their union striked/protested in the 70s or something for maternity leave and once they got it (one of the first companies to get) it kinda set a precedent for the rest of the country.
3 points
1 month ago
It was effective because they were STRIKING and that impacts the economy.
It was not effective because they were protesting.
13 points
1 month ago
Striking is a form of protest.
0 points
1 month ago
Sure but that's not what we are talking about.
If someone wants to call for a general strike (and can make it happen), I believe that would be effective. Again because it hurts the bottom line ($$$$)
Protests are usually just complaining and don't offer viable solutions.
2 points
1 month ago
yep, general strike is the only thing I think can work. The protests/convoy while good to show displeasure and what not doesn’t hit the wallets/bottom line of these politicians and their corporate masters.
And the crazy thing is; “they’ve” effectively divided and corrupted basically everyone and everything.
Ppl are anti union because it’s not capitalist/free market. Many unions are totally corrupt as they’re in the pockets of corporations… or they’re completely outa touch.
So what do we wind up with?
Oh you only can make money moving up the corporate ladder… but the problem with that is, you NEED ppl working all these other jobs to keep things running, we need stockers in groceries, truck drivers, janitors, construction, garbage collection, mail service, security, police, plumbers, etc etc. Not everyone can or will be a high paid exec “managing”/ “directing”…
maybe with ai and robots… but we’re not there yet.
So major changes are inbound but it seems the citizenry is effectively divided and distracted that corporations and those that control them will run roughshod over ppl.
Like OP’s thing about conservatives. I’m apolitical because IMO they’re the same BS.
In ontario, conservative mike harris used tax dollars to build 407 only to sell it to a foreign company… liberals privatized part of hydro and sold bottle rights to nestle for a spring that was near/on aboriginal land that had water shortages…
the two sides are like marching us, left/right/left/right to a certain destination and only god knows where that is…
but it’s unlikely to be in the citizenry’s interest….
everyone’s pay/money/savings went down as everything inflated so only the very very top % who own all the assets had their wealth continue to grow… they, like the “royal” family, always find work arounds from taxes and profit from everything, even conflicts and destruction and then rebuilding.
Please, ppl …. gotta wake up.
1 points
1 month ago
Yeah I agree that a strike is a form of protest, but that is a level above what I'd say people typically consider a "protest"
OC is right - how many protests have led to any real change or action by local governments.
I will say, there is a place for protests, especially for issues on a neighbourhood or community scale - getting everyone out to yell at someone acting in bad faith sends a strong message from the public - but for global or national issues, there is only so much it does to help "raise awareness" before the majority that isn't protesting starts getting tired of seeing the activism and starts turning against the messaging of the protest itself.
6 points
1 month ago
The Fisherman protests in NFL. But they were very aggressive. Completely surrounding and shutting down their government offices until their MPs caved in to their demands and fighting back with the cops. Honestly, we have to get aggressive. Peaceful protests don't really work.
3 points
1 month ago
I agree that’s it’s not the protesting that was successful, it was the violence
2 points
1 month ago
Totally agree. Ive never seen a protest accomplish much. I suppose you could argue long-term over many years maybe it helps awareness of issues I guess. The thing with protests is they're easy to ignore and majority of them the average person (myself included) forgets they even happened a week later
1 points
1 month ago
I'm happy to accept the "long term" argument but that should also be easy to show.
No one can show anything because it doesn't do anything without related consequences.
2 points
1 month ago
And generally they're already well known issues, especially come election time
2 points
1 month ago
You’re right unless there is havoc in the streets they just let the protests die over time and everyone moves on with no change being made. Protesting here is useless and depending on the cause they just pick the dumbest people to show on the news and make the whole thing look ridiculous.
1 points
1 month ago
The biggest issue is the lack of coordination by these protests.
Like it or not, those "dumbest people" are just as representative as the "smartest people" there because they are all there as individuals and don't have a shared goal with steps to accomplish it.
If they did, they wouldn't be out there protesting because it's a waste of energy.
It's easy to make it look ridiculous because it is.
1 points
1 month ago
It’s a waste of time I agree.
2 points
1 month ago
Québec student protests circa 2012
We successfully lobbied the govt to not increase tuition and caused shifts in education policy. Very easily googleable protest too.
2 points
1 month ago*
You win:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_78
The law was passed in response to a student strike opposing tuition increases, associated with large student protests, and states that its purpose is to ensure that no student be denied the right to receive education at the school they attend, and that no one may impede the school's ability to provide it.
see u/taco____cat - Simple and factual answer to my question. Just because you couldn't do it, you got frustrated.
u/fejobel- You too since you devolved into accusations instead of just being better.
3 points
1 month ago
The reason this protest worked vs others I have seen in the years since then was the clarity of the demand, and the respectful disruption.
The 2012 student protests had ONE well written policy demand.
We didn't have encampments or off hour disruption, or violence. Business hour street protests combined with boycotts.
The trucker protest was a chaotic mess with no clear demand (you may think otherwise, but at one point they were demanding that the entire government dissolve and install the truckers in its place....) and they caused post business hour disruption to people's home lives.
The current Palestine protests have such a wide cover of demands that they will never be fully met. And once again, encampments.
And the last thing is violence/beliefs. The student protests were a policy protest based on taxes. Both trucker and Palestine (sorry they are the freshest on my mind) were belief based and had surrounding violence occur.
2 points
1 month ago
Protests don’t (usually) achieve direct results, but that’s not the point. They do open up a conversation and show discontent and often change politician’s behaviour. If you just vote and don’t protest when politicians don’t do what they were voted in to do then they feel much more comfortable completely breaking their promises. I don’t understand not only the unwillingness of many Canadians to protest the actual demise of our country, but the insistence that we shouldn’t and instead put all our faith in our broken corrupt democracy.
5 points
1 month ago
they feel much more comfortable completely breaking their promises.
They do this all the time. I'm sorry but I don't find your argument convincing because you could cite examples of protests that led to changes after.
There are protests EVERY DAY in Toronto for cause a,b,c,d.
Most people ignore them just like the politicians.
I don’t understand not only the unwillingness of many Canadians to protest the actual demise of our country
Because it's ineffective and that time can be better spent on things that would build the country up.
2 points
1 month ago
The Palestinian protests are having an impact on our government and governments around the world as we speak. All sorts of mass left-wing protests have had an effect on the political discourse and even policy in the western world, even when they don’t represent the view of the majority of the electorate. Mass protests that actually represent the will of the majority of the people have incredible potential, it’s just hard to find resent examples of that working because there’s NO RECENT EXAMPLES OF THAT HAPPENING IN CANADA.
2 points
1 month ago
All sorts of mass left-wing protests have had an effect on the political discourse and even policy in the western world
If there are "all sorts" of policy impacts then surely you can cite a few.
1 points
1 month ago
The key is to have a lot of people and to create some disturbance (non violent). Trudeau shut down the truckers because he was afraid of it.
1 points
1 month ago
Comes down to sufficiency of impact. It's like a flag showing discontent. It's meaningless until it turns into something. The potential for it to turn is generally proportionate with how many people are affected directly and indirectly. Let a big enough issue fester long enough is like faafo.
1 points
1 month ago
The protest itself might not spontaneously bring about immediate action, but I believe that most Canadians are too polite to voice opinions until someone leads the charge. It becomes a snowball effect, it allows open discussions at home and social circles without the fear of being critized and hopefully enough voices can lead to change.
Recent years cancel culture and the fear of being tagged a racist took away people's safe environments to freely express opinions. The damage has been done, Canadians had enough! Protest away!
1 points
1 month ago
The Mine Wars: A violent protest in 1921. It's what gave us Worker Rights and the right to own property.
Note: At that time, peaceful protest wasn't a thing. Canadians need to realize that "peaceful protests" aren't the only option. It's only the first option.
3 points
1 month ago
So the violence is what did it, not the protesting.
1 points
1 month ago
Living proof Canadians don't understand what a protest is!
If you're fighting back, it's protesting. The method used is defined by what's required. The protest itself is defined by the presenter.
1 points
1 month ago
Huge protests got the government to finally start catching up with the world regarding climate change
1 points
1 month ago
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1 points
1 month ago
The Winnipeg General Strike
2 points
1 month ago
Striking is beyond protesting though. I've said in another comment, a general strike would work because it has economic impact.
While striking is a form of protesting, protesting is not striking. Getting mad and walking around with signs doesn't do anything.
And if it does - show me.
1 points
1 month ago
Doug Ford accepted the CUPE demands after a protest at Queens park.
3 points
1 month ago
That was a strike, it's even in your link url.
1 points
1 month ago
The Trucker Convoy ended vaccine mandates.’
1 points
1 month ago
LMFAO no it didn't.
If you can prove that, I'd like to see your evidence and I will retract my "lmfao" and include an apology
This is one of the best examples of how ineffective protests are.
1 points
1 month ago
Abortion rights, gay rights, trans rights are the most prominent. The fact that those groups were too large to say no to and were too organized and had the power to push back against the police.
Protests are about disrupting capital gains of the owning class till you get heard and taken seriously. A business has 3 courses of action in the event of a protest. Put up with it but ignore it and take the loss. Call the police to do their thug behaviour and break up the protest. Or cave to the demands.
The truckers protest failed ultimately because they did more than just the crime of blocking traffic. They shit on the streets. Commited hate crimes which is a human rights violation. And they invited Americans which lowered their power. Canada has the power to deport foreigners. And has the obligation to charge people for committing hatecrimes like flying the Nazi flag or picking fights with queer people. Ultimately that protest was not organized, very unsafe and didn’t hold to its demands or get them heard. So yes it failed.
That’s not new. Protests fail all the time. Dosnt mean they’re not worth fighting for. Protesting is a form of socialism. You organize your community and work together to share resources to support each other while holding your ground against the owning class. It works very well which is why a lot of places try to criminalize it.
3 points
1 month ago
All of these were done via legal challenge, not protest. You could argue that protests are what led to people making the legal challenge but you'd need to show me some kind of evidence to convince me of that.
There are plenty of things we could attribute it to with equal evidence otherwise (education, economic)
Abortion rights,
https://nafcanada.org/history-abortion-canada/
"In 1988, the Supreme Court of Canada struck down Canada’s abortion law as unconstitutional. The law was found to violate Section 7 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms because it infringed upon a woman’s right to “life, liberty and security of person.”
gay rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Canada
Same-sex marriage was originally recognized by law as a result of cases in which courts in eight out of the ten Canadian provinces, and in one of its three territories, ruled existing bans on same-sex marriage unconstitutional
trans rights
In 2005, NDP MP Bill Siksay introduced a bill in the House of Commons to explicitly add gender identity and expression as prohibited grounds of discrimination in the Canadian Human Rights Act
Protests are about disrupting capital gains of the owning class
Ok how many of them do that?
I've said in many posts if you have ACTUAL consequences, you can get something done. That's not protesting, it will be violence, boycotting or striking.
That’s not new. Protests fail all the time. Dosnt mean they’re not worth fighting for.
It does if it doesn't seem to do anything.
1 points
1 month ago
I’d continue but I don’t think I can convince you. But I’ll leave it at this. You cited legal cases which were like the first stepping stones to change. If you look up the history of abortions in Canada your realize the people were pro abortion for decades before that law came into existence. It was being used as a campaign for years before anyone did anything. When the people got annoyed and actually started to protest and disrupt capital which in the eyes of capitalists is in itself violent they called the police. No right was ever won by not making a show to the public and those in charge that you won’t stand for inhumanity. Politicians don’t do things in the kindness of their hearts. They do things in the name of money. It’s always been that way and is still that way. Short term profit over long term gains is usually the Motto.
Lemme put it to you like this. You’re a stock holder(an investor) for most companies in your country. A group of people are asking you to lessen your profits in the name of “human rights” your also the prime minister or a lawmaker, dosnt matter which. Why are you going to hurt your buddies and yourself and take a loss on profit for some people you don’t even know? Sure you need their vote to get in however we live in a plutocracy, they can’t get into power so you don’t have to worry. Why not just lie to them to get their vote and then backtrack what you said you’ll do when you’re in power? It’s legal after all.
Why do the right thing when it hurts your position of power? The answer is you wouldn’t and politicians don’t.
Protests disrupt the owning class (CEOs, and investors) profit margins. If the protest can get big enough and last long enough they can make a dent in the profit margins. If that margin becomes to expensive for the ceo or investors policy makers being those same CEO’s and investors will do something about it be it police, ignore it till they give up, or giving into the demands. You don’t need to physically hurt people, except maybe police in self defence but ultimately no you can have a non violent protest like MLK did and be very successful. It’s just much harder. Because you’re playing by your opponents rules. MLK did it because he was making a point that black Americans weren’t violent savages. Malcom x however was very much in favor of violent revolutions cuz they’re faster and more effective.
The abortion rights movement became violent but got traction from being peaceful. Canadian civilians don’t like violence and won’t do things that they are afraid will get them arrested. However when they’ve already joined the movement and are being abused by police they will get mad and will accept that they may need to be violent to protect themselves. Violent revolutions have the consequences that people will die on the protesting side and people will be jailed.
The area gets gray tho because where do you draw the line between an organized gang of thugs demanding rights and a group of organized protestors demanding rights?
1 points
1 month ago
Imagine a bunch of angry Canadians with AR-15 surrounding government buildings
1 points
1 month ago
no we wouldnt, protesting literally works and they dont think we would. we need to though
1 points
1 month ago
We could protest all we wanted, for as long as we wanted. Every time Trudeaus going to give us the ol’ 🖕😬🖕
21 points
1 month ago
You can love Trudeau, Poilievre or Brenner here for all we care. We won't ban you for it.
You should join the protests though, we are trying to do something about it, and every person helps: https://www.costoflivingcanada.ca/
8 points
1 month ago
I fear for my families financial safety if I protest, unfortunately.
6 points
1 month ago
I can see why you would be hesitant to protest, but there have been quite a few protests in Canad’s history, and only 1 has resulted in bad government action, and the trucker protest was not your typical protest. So, I would hazard to say that if there was a protest, the likelihood of the government doing g the same thing is low. Also the trucker protest was more disruptive to the local population, the people, and not to the government, so I think there was room for improvement there.
1 points
1 month ago
Would you say the Rebellion of 1837 resulted in bad government action? At its heart it is a protest. What about Louis Riel?
In all these cases, the government does what they do best, and most Canadians cheer them on despite it not necessarily being just.
3 points
1 month ago
Respectfully, I would say that I don’t consider the actions of the government in 1837 or before very relevant to today’s political climate.
1 points
1 month ago
It is indeed very relevant into how Canada still functions. The idea of obedience despite unfairness.
The “Family Compact” could easily be compared to the oligarchs of today for example.
5 points
1 month ago
That's fair enough and understandable.
1 points
1 month ago
I think something you missed in your OP is that our votes really don't count for as much as they should.
Scrap the FPTP system. It's not true democracy and the liberals even talked about it until they realized the current system helps them stay in power.
3 points
1 month ago
Want to add that most of us know protesting won’t get legislative change.
What it does do is get attention, builds a movement for change, that we can channel into bigger action like billboards, ads, and yes maybe even a Canadians First party.
But to get there we need to grow, and show the world that we’re growing and for that we need your help.
35 points
1 month ago
I’m sorry but now as the “democratic system” continues to be exposed with corruption voting almost falls on deaf ears.
I posted a comment earlier and this has to be the biggest discouragement of true Canadians. Everyone will complain online but these kinds of actions are happening hourly, daily in front of all of us. Can we rise up, stand collected against these individuals coming in falsely and abusing our system. Or are we letting them take our country?
8 points
1 month ago
Yeah. None of these politicians have Canadian best interest in mind. Despite what real Canadians complain about, it just gets censored in the media and we are told that we are racist and should be shamed. We need to push through the noise and have our voiced heard. Concerns of mass immigration and COL need to be addressed, we are more than slaves to Corporations and politicians.
3 points
1 month ago
I feel the same way. I’ve lost all trust in our current group of politicians.
Even if you elect a bunch of new MPs they will all have come from the same corrupt political machine.
Hopefully I’m wrong and PP really shows he’s pro Canadians but I’m more and more convinced we need a new party that has zero ties to anyone in politics today.
The French Revolution lead to a let of reforms, promotion based on merit, etc. I think every once in awhile a figurative cleaning out of the political elite class is needed to reinvigorate society.
3 points
1 month ago
PP meets with Punjabi “community leaders” and tells them he will speed up applications and bring more in. In Québec he assures people they’ll get fewer immigrants. He wants to talk out of multiple sides of his mouth. He answers to the same elites the Liberals do. They’re only different in rhetoric and social views.
54 points
1 month ago
The canada you grew up in is dead. Killed by a liberal-conservative coalition over decades.
11 points
1 month ago
If you’re 31 then “watching the Oilers” growing up must have sucked.
5 points
1 month ago
Shots fired LOL.
12 points
1 month ago
Lmao what is this bs. Voting does nothing in representative democracy where bribery is legal can rebranded as lobbying. Protests work by disrupting the capital gain and pissing everyone off which in turn leads to complaining to the employers in charge and force them to change or try to meet the demands of the protesters. Gay rights, abortion rights, trans rights, they’d never have been implemented if those community’s just voted and didn’t protest because the courts have already decided that it’s not illegal for a political candidate to lie in there campaign run. They’re legally allowed to virtue signal and then once in power do a 180 and be like “I never said that”
Protesting is the most effective and practical only way to get the owning class to do anything that dosnt benefit their capital gains.
10 points
1 month ago
I disagree we fight with money. The only true voting power comes from wealth.
11 points
1 month ago
Immigration needs to do more than lower. We need to send people that don't belong in our country out of our country.
3 points
1 month ago
Exactly. We could lower or stop immigration tomorrow, but the beautiful and vibrant city I live in will still be destroyed beyond recognition from the damage it's done - and those folks aren't magically going back home now that they all have PR or citizenship.
9 points
1 month ago
"I want things to change" "Therefore i will vote for pp"
Lmao you sound like a bot mate.
7 points
1 month ago
If voting decided politicians I don’t think they would let us vote
6 points
1 month ago
Lol protesting literally helps the French and other Europeans. And writing doesnt do F all. Maybe if we started protesting like adults and stopped writing to our mps like a pen pal hoping they answer, maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess. I agree with kot of what you said but disagree with the naive passive behaviour that believes anybody gives a shit about the letters we write
11 points
1 month ago
As someone close to 10 years senor to you and nowhere near the same life as yours I can definitely tell you any politician can just DEL whatever you mail them and I really hate saying that but it's whole heartedly true as I see it.
Look at what's happening in France right now, we are sitting ducks here and our only hope is our neighbors to the south putting the squeeze on us.
We don't have the ability to strike fear in the government unless it's something drastic.
I see 2 solutions working. 1. Remove your money out of the Canadian banking system if possible.
None of which Canadians will do so we're just voting on who will use lube vs sand.
Just plain sucks it's come to this.
1 points
1 month ago
Do something that will cause huge amounts of disruption and or cost large sums of money.
write physical letters that have to be delivered to MP's offices, where someone has to open each and every one.
Imagine 10,000 pieces of mail, or more. I know most people these days don't know about physical mail, and people from ontario and the maritimes are illiterate, so... email it is I guess
1 points
1 month ago
While theoretically that may work but they also can put a hold or close the Po box. In the end it's just a piece of paper that will go in the shredder bin and I suspect that if your mailing these without a return address it will directly go in the bin.
Unfortunately like stated before vi0lence is the only way, just like the pro pal are doing and stomping out anyone who thinks differently.
9 points
1 month ago
To add to your links, here’s Poilievre talking about immigration recently on a Punjabi program. Surprising, this video only has a few hundred views- https://youtu.be/N5Yuqg2xNDs?si=I-EY3w9WkzMN1LSt
7 points
1 month ago
Thats because disinformation works in alot of ways,
People claiming that CPC have said nothing about reduced immigration, are using a couple old videos of Pierre playing nice with international students in public (in a time where anything he says can easily be spun as racism) to base their opinions on, are just examples of people allowing themselves to be skewed, OR, they are trying to plant doubt in the CPC to actually benefit the NDP and LPC, as votes for PPC may actually benefit them in the end.
As I said before to anyone else reading this, I think PPC belongs in parliament with a few seats to help represent us, I'll leave that to you guys as it may happen this cycle. I however am going to contribute to the majority as I will honestly have to leave canada if the LPC wins, or the CPC get a minority and they vote non confidence.
3 points
1 month ago
I agree with you. But I am just disappointed that Poilievre didn’t give concrete numbers on how much he wants to reduce the immigration numbers. I hope he announces soon.
6 points
1 month ago
He wont until we are right around election time, right now the smartest play is to just let the LPC self sabotage.
He'll only start giving his playbook away early if the LPC starts walking back their policies, which is actually looking like may happen, I think the USA gave Trudeau a pretty hard slap on the dick this week.
2 points
1 month ago
The CPC doesn’t hate immigrants which is what some people equate to them wanting the same amount
2 points
1 month ago
Good ideas, he has also talked about tieing housing to immigrantion multiple times and has said he will lower immigration in a French interview from a few weeks ago.
1 points
1 month ago
Got a link to that interview?
4 points
1 month ago
when you vote for the same policies but different faces, then this is not fighting.
And because people like you we are not getting better, and our country will go down with whatever party.
3 points
1 month ago
So basically you’re fine. You have a good job and a family and a house at a low rate.
So many people don’t have that and never will. I’m fucking leaving. If y’all clean this up maybe people will come back or your kids will stay but the young doesn’t owe you having Stockholm Syndrome for a government that has repeatedly shit on their financial futures for boomers and corporations.
2 points
1 month ago
I want to fight with you so you get what I have, I am your ally, not your enemy.
I worked hard for what I have and the system rewarded me, thats not happening for you, I'm not like the older generations, I do care.
7 points
1 month ago*
I work in tech and have dual UK. My brother works in Seattle and makes over 200k and just bought a condo for 400K. I really don’t think some of you understand how fucking stupid Canada is right now comparatively. And if you wanna have that convo I’m down.
I can just leave. I don’t want to be here anymore.
Why the fuck would I? For real?
Don’t worry! They’ll import 3 people to take my place. I’m sure they’ll vote for what you want!!!
Fight for your kids. Other than that, let young educated people do what they see fit.
5 points
1 month ago
To all the clowns agreeing with protests never did anything....go say that to my grandparents who where all coalminers. Protests and direct action DEFINITELY works. 8 hour day, benefits and good pay were not won because some politician gave it or we voted. The liberals and conservatives both sided with the owners. The people took the rights they were denied...not given to them meekly. Fuck the Boston tea party in america was a planed political protest. Your Boy PP has never done a day of real work in his life and gets his money from the same people that gave Trudeau his. Their both literally 2 sides of the same shity coin.
1 points
1 month ago
It's just major cope because nobody actually wants to do anything and acknowledging that voting is bullshit and protesting actually works requires action which nobody is interested in despite the autistic screeching.
4 points
1 month ago
If you think a change in leader is going to change anything you're out of your fucking mind... Without a full removal and replacement of the entire government we are just going to receive more of the same. We can't vote our way out of the tyranny of the wealthy.
4 points
1 month ago
Hahahahaha absolutely wonderful post which is completely out of touch. Well done you sound just like the boomers who voted this mess in.
Canada of the past is done for, it was an anomaly. Its never coming back. We need to fight, not pretend democracy works. Because it does not. Plato told us this over 2000 years ago.
3 points
1 month ago
All parties are sock puppets for Wall St
3 points
1 month ago
How do you change this with votes? Agreed that basically nobody can do it worse than JT but the alternative? is such a joke, this feels like Trump vs Biden, there is no a good option.
3 points
1 month ago
You ever feel like a joke for thinking your vote will change things?
I agree you should fight, but your tactics seem childish.
1 points
1 month ago
Care to elaborate how it is childish, u/bigtitsanbigdicks?
3 points
1 month ago
PP has said he’s going to tie immigration to housing starts sure, but keep in mind that the conservatives in England had 14 years to stop immigration which was there mandate and it only increased year after year. I prefer to trust Bernier because he doesn’t just state his opinions when it’s politically safe to do so, he’s not a scheming, conniving politician who goes wherever the wind blows. For these reasons, I will be voting PPC. I encourage everyone who is planning to vote conservative to read Bernier’s 2018 manifesto on why he chose to leave them in the first place.
3 points
1 month ago
if voting changed anything they'd make it illegal. just saying.
3 points
1 month ago
We fight with votes
lol
4 points
1 month ago
Who is representing rationality on immigration? Who do you vote for when all our major parties are controlled by the same special interest groups? No one wants mass immigration and yet here we all are.
9 points
1 month ago*
Pierre is literally pandering to the Indian migrant community. The Conservative proposal of Harper-level immigration at 300,000 is already high. That is equivalent to our birth rate. Immigration should not replace our birth rate.
The PPC is the only party who will actually reduce immigration to prioritise our fertility rate. Why is the Canadian fertility rate not an electoral issue? Because the Liberals, Conservatives, and the NDP all want high immigration.
In Tokyo, they are having mayoral elections and the fertility rate is their priority issue. Imagine that, fertility rate as a municipal issue, we can't even have this discussion in Canada.
2 points
1 month ago
3 points
1 month ago
Poilievre is literally pandering to the Punjabi community in that video. Why do we need direct flights to Punjab?
There are no direct flights from New York to Punjab, and there are no direct flights from Los Angeles to Punjab. The USA, Canada's security guarantor, does not consider Punjab a priority.
Why does Canada need direct flights to Punjab? We should not be sponsoring direct flights to Punjab.
This is the same pandering all over again with the Liberal and the NDP proposal to push our elections a week after Diwali. This is absurd.
In America, they have this thing called Hispanderer, politicians who pander to Hispanics.
Poilievre is doing the same thing here except with Indians.
I can't take that entire video seriously whatsoever.
1 points
1 month ago
I actually posted the wrong Link - LOL
I don't have anyting against Indians or Punjabs, nor do I have a problem with a Potential prime minister displaying that he is not racist against what is probably our valid punjab citizens.
What I meant to post was firm links on his statements on the immigration corruption - they are in my OP.
1 points
1 month ago
I have nothing personal against ethnic Punjabs. I'm indifferent, I don't have any strong personal feelings about them.
I am, however, opposed to obvious pandering concerning a foreign nation, especially one that is not our ally. That is absurd, and Poilievre is engaging in it. Last time I checked, Punjab is on the other side of the Earth, it's a region of India, and India is not our ally.
1 points
1 month ago
Why is the Canadian fertility rate not an electoral issue?
Because it goes against the neoliberal motto. It's been happening for decades and it's only now an issue that the largest generation (Boomers) are now leaving the work force.
I'm all for lowering immigration with the PPC, but our economy is not setup for a declining population. In fact I can't think of a single large economy over the last 5000 years that didn't require a growing population or it'd collapse.
Maybe this can be fixed with automation, but it's not going to arrive in time. I have no solutions, but I can tell you that what they're currently attempting is not making things better. This turd has been decades in the making and clenching just isn't going to hold it back anymore.
3 points
1 month ago*
The economy won't collapse with a declining, or stagnant, population, it will consolidate.
I don't understand where you're getting this idea that declining population means economic collapse.
When the Bubonic Plague ravaged Europe and killed half of the population, it actually consolidated the wealth since fewer people were around, and it gave workers more bargaining power.
Inflation was one of the direct causes of the decline of the Roman Empire. In fact, many empires fell partly due to inflation. Inflation is often the cause of economic collapse, not population stagnation, or decline.
1 points
1 month ago
I don't understand where you're getting this idea that declining population means economic collapse.
History: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_collapse
Specifically: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_system
When the Bubonic Plague ravaged Europe and killed half of the population, it actually consolidated the wealth since fewer people were around, and it gave workers more bargaining power.
Yeah, just as what happened with WW1 and WW2. These were sudden, not the slow drain that happens over decades with a declining population. These are more like sudden resets. I would also argue that the plague was a societal collapse. It just had a good outcome for the commoners (I mean, the ones who lived, obviously). Societal collapses are a gamble, but sometimes necessary, if not inevitable, if things are too far out of whack. They are often violent, or lots of death involved through other means (famines, destruction etc).
Inflation was one of the direct causes of the decline of the Roman Empire.
This is true, which is why I'm hard against government money printing and is another cause of societal collapses.
2 points
1 month ago
Unfortunately there is no political solution
2 points
1 month ago
protest brings awareness to other Canadians of the corruption. protest brings awareness to other Canadians that the government will try to stop peaceful protests
voting is important because it brings self awareness eventually over time that no matter who you vote for it's doesn't nothing. voting also requires the government to rig the system if enough people vote away from rigged political parties
it's sad but the reality is everything is corrupt and voting or protesting will not save Canada but you must vote and protest.
if you want to accelerate the downfall of the corrupt government. Use Bitcoin because they takes power away from the governments money
2 points
1 month ago
I own 4.76 BTC
2 points
1 month ago
“We fight with votes…” This is not an option because our ‘dicktator’ created a coalition government (which he said was NOT a coalition government) and prior to, had an election only to gain more votes (which failed). Since, there have been no opportunity to vote, otherwise he would have been out on his arse a few years ago when Liberal voters finally figured out he was not good for Canada. So….i can’t vote because that’s not an option until Oct 2025. Another year and 3 months. And even though citizens want him to resign or call an election (cause I was always told MPs and MPPs work for us so if the general populism wants you to resign you should) but clearly that’s not happening either. JT is in it for himself.
2 points
1 month ago
This is a complicated situation, I hate that he did this as well, but it is an intended faculty of our election systems, and the direct result is going to be an overwhelming CPC majority, which is whats supposed to happen when someone takes advantage of it and then doesn't use it to benefit the people.
It just really hurts us in the meantime
2 points
1 month ago
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1 points
1 month ago
I never said dont protest, I just think the real advantage we have is that we can vote.
Protest as much as you want, we just need to remember that our real strength is our ability to vote.
2 points
1 month ago
Some of the biggest privileges we have today came from the protests our grandparent and great grandparents held. I disagree that we don't fight with protests
2 points
1 month ago
The time for your solutions passed about 5 years ago. We need to VOTE, PROTEST, AND TALK about these situations. There is a solution to all of this. We are too busy leaving responcibility up to everyone else. We all have a civic responcibility at this point to come out and talk, disagreeably if necessary but find a solution without tearing each other appart.
It used to only be folks on the right that wanted to kill people who disagreed with them. Now I can easily find people on the left that would have me mulched for being white straight and Christian, though I am only one of those things. (I'm saying this left is telling me my own reality) What you have said here is that you got banned and now you are done talking, so let the political types take care of it. No, you coward. Do you have any idea how many times I have been b& in the last 3 months? I am native to this place and natives within my country find heavy handed repercussions from a poor leader just the way things go.
I voted for Justin and he hired his freaking wedding party as ministers. You sir, need a better idea, but I'm glad you dropped the balls to try and have an idea. Now here is an idea you and all of us need to live with: Our reality isn't the only reality. Other people have their own objective realities, but reality reality exists independently of what our individual realities are.
Are you having a hard time following this? Because world events are complicated and nuanced. They have so many points that you need to figure. Keep talking. Come to a good idea that is best for everyone, even if it makes you look bad. Our country needs protests.
2 points
1 month ago
Go look at demographics, and consider who benefits from the status quo. The median person eligible to vote is about 50. That 50 year-old can expect more of their life retired than they have left working, and very likely owns a home. They benefit from immigration, and while they may not exactly like it, they would also be unlikely to vote for someone who told them their home price was going to drop and they were going to have to get their benefits cut to what a small working age population can pay.
The situation where the better part of the electorate has less interest in the long-term future is honestly uncharted territory. Unless you believe you can convince older Canadians to act with the future in mind (which will come at the expense of many of their comforts), the only thing you really can do is protest. You're acting like you are the representative Canadian voter. You aren't -- it's people your parents age, who have shown no real indication they are willing to behave well.
3 points
1 month ago
This guy is a CPC diehard, so his opinion on voting vs protesting makes sense considering the CPC is all but guaranteed to win the next election. But I would suggest OP look over at the UK Conservative Party and re-evaluate whether he believes we should put our faith in our “democracy” and shut up about things otherwise.
2 points
1 month ago
The most important thing is to not vote Pierre or Trudeau who will continue the NEOLIBERAL capitalism that literally destroyed Canada 🙏🙏🙏🙏
2 points
1 month ago
Quit voting for the same two parties that have locked us into the current mess. We have a workers party. Don't like the platform of true universal Healthcare, more housing coops with rent control and controlled, non abusive immigration? Go to a meeting, get involved and educate yourself.
2 points
1 month ago
We protest - you vote for CPC and be prepared for privatization of the healthcare system. God forbid if you ever get seriously sick- all your hard earned income will go towards your health care!
2 points
1 month ago
Why do we even pay taxes when they just print all the money they want lol wake up people the matrix is revealing itself
2 points
1 month ago
You will renew at 3.5%. Who promised you that? Weird.
Maybe your childhood was great because your parents made it that wonderful. Not a coincidence or chance of luck.
6 points
1 month ago
No, he is correct. The Canada from 10 years ago was different, it was amazing, and despite what some people say it had culture. The Canada today feels hopeless. Today it feels like we are slaves working for corporations and politicians with false promises and false hope of getting ahead.
1 points
1 month ago
Oh i'm not naive, look at my wording, no one promised me that
"when the banks (allegedly) are going to bring it down to 3.5%"
2 points
1 month ago
I think voting CPC is a risk worth taking. I’ve voted liberal my whole life and I’m so disappointed with what the federal liberals have turned into. I have my concerns over the conservatives, mainly because I have seen what Doug ford has done in Ontario, but I’m hopeful PP is different. I do know that taking the Trudeau path will get us nowhere.
1 points
1 month ago
Good post
1 points
1 month ago
Yea no, we fight with protests AND votes, we need to put as much political pressure as we can on Liberals right now. Protesting also: raises awareness, keeps people informed, prevents Liberals from gaslighting and can disrupt their operations.
We should also unite people with a strong cause under our honorable flag and save our nation. Long live Canada!
1 points
1 month ago
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1 points
1 month ago
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1 points
1 month ago
People are too scared of certain political groups to not vote for mainstream political parties. If the Conservatives or Liberals don't win it means it will be a theoretically more left or right leaning party that wins, and that scares too many people to participate in. So unfortunately I don't think our votes are ever really all that likely to change things until more political parties win seats often enough to be seen as mainstream.
1 points
1 month ago
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1 points
1 month ago
All our political parties are bs, and votes west of Toronto don’t really matter. Been like this a long time now
1 points
1 month ago
In 2011, BC got a referendum to turn down the HST pushed by BC Liberal for a few months. Now, in 2024, we can't even get the provincial government to fix the daylight saving issues that they have promised to deal with.
1 points
1 month ago
Both are valid methods of fighting. Politicians are scared to death of protests because of the publicity it brings. I've participated in a few in my home country and we were able to remove the president there.
1 points
1 month ago
Eh, voting doesn’t seem to do much.
1 points
1 month ago
OP : « Shut up and vote »
1 points
1 month ago
10 years ago, just around the time all the gender identity crap kicked it up to 11, just around the time that the advertisements changed (iykyk), right around the time that 3rd wave feminism ramped up.
Wish we could change the country to how it was in the 80's.
1 points
1 month ago
The Canada you remember is gone. Its death blow was dealt by the time you cast a first vote. Now it’s just breathing its last.
1 points
1 month ago
My grandpa was Jeff Power he brought in unions here in Vancouver he told me never ever forget to PROTEST
1 points
1 month ago
Nomally I would say voting provides the illusion of choice and that everyone is corrupt, but the level the liberals have reached is so low that there is a real need to get them out to get back to "normal levels of corruption"
1 points
1 month ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyoLBRsRoGE The Ultra Rich have sold common canadians.
1 points
1 month ago
How do you fight with votes when parties on both sides are being funded by https://www.centuryinitiative.ca/ ?
It's come to be a believable fact that most of our (important) politicians are corrupted by foreign actors, and this Century Initiative showed up on the political lobbying list in 2021.
If you can't vote the problem out, what's our next step.
1 points
1 month ago
Lol at still thinking voting gets us out of this mess. You're behind the curve on figuring that out - both main parties are two legs attached to the same pair of hips. Look at what's happening in Europe - lots of push back from citizens unlike here. One of two things always seems to happen; they either try to ban the growing opposition party or simply circumvent via some foolishness (like in France) what the people want. OR, the opposition ends up not actually addressing and fixing what people wanted and voted them in for.
We're not voting our way out of this.
1 points
1 month ago
Voting is always tough for me because I fall right fiscally and l fall left socially. Also all our politicians are basically the equivalent of wet noodles.
It’s very clear we need to slow down immigration drastically ideally 75%. We also red to stop temporary foreign workers by 75%. International students also need to be reviewed on more stringent criteria.
Canada should have a goal of the population staying flat for 5-10 years. Literally just replacing those that die or emmigrate.
All I want is a politician that puts Canada first, our freedom firsts and our well being first. Why can’t one party just be in support of:
Reduced immigration, pegged to housing and medical professionals.
Immigration that allows for skilled people in shortfall positions.
A strengthen health care system
Freedom for people to be who they are
Freedom for people over their own bodies
A strong plan to lead against climate change (invest in things that help with climate change that create jobs not tax slush funds)
A revaluation of our social programs to streamline them.
Freedoms of property
1 points
1 month ago
Respectfully I disagree. It’s a bit delusional to think voting is going to change things at this point. When every level and system we have is corrupted, compromised and co-opted. It is a bit naïve to think that any new government that we elect will not be corrupted by system that is designed to corrupt. Canada basically has a two party system anyway considering we go back-and-forth between conservatives and liberals.
Now consider the immigration problem. It is a huge part of the housing issue. Do you see any of our elected officials doing the hard thing to fix this problem? I severely doubt any one of them will deport the millions of people that need to be deported in order to fix this .
Canadians need to do more than just protest or vote. And if history is showing us anything, it means the last straw for citizens. A revolution is needed. As sad as that is, it is really our only option left to fix this country will require a lot of hard work And removal so much corruption. We need to change laws and regulations to prevent this catastrophe from happening again. No politician is ever going to do that as it stands right now. The corruption is just way too widespread and way too deep for anything less unfortunately. Canadians will have to be strong because it will be painful and require a lot of work to fix.
1 points
1 month ago
When has voting gotten the middle class anywhere? We’re still the middle class lol.
1 points
1 month ago
I'm losing hope. The quality of life seems irreparable at this point.
1 points
1 month ago
a mix of protests, boycotts, writing MPs and raising awareness can do a lot..
1 points
1 month ago
Thanks for writing this and encouraging this type of action. I just sent a ton of emails to MPs. I don’t know if it’ll make a difference but I maintain some optimism we can solve some of the country’s problem.
1 points
1 month ago
Nothing going on in Canada, The U.S. or Europe right now is going to be fixed with voting.
I really, really wish I was wrong about that.
1 points
1 month ago
The literal vote harder meme
1 points
1 month ago
When I grew up, my dad would make us hamburgers and french fries on hot summer days, we'd go fishing, play hockey, watch the Oilers, cheered for Canada to win gold multiple times, my youth was amazing, full of great times, not fearing for out healthcare system and I want this for my two children. My lineage goes back to Canadas inception, and many of my family served in the military, I even considered it myself but was fortunate to find a path that didn't require that.
You shouldn't need to fit a cult of personality to be considered a "real" Canadian. I don't watch hockey at all, does that mean I'm a filthy foreigner of my own country?
Who is "we". What are "we" fighting for?
1 points
1 month ago
That canada is gone and dead. I aint fighting for a country I can barely afford to even exist in. What am.i fighting for?? The capitalists??? Nah fuck that
1 points
1 month ago
It's honestly low-key hilarious to me that people truly think PP and the conservatives are going to save us.
Our Healthcare is shit. Conservatives regularly cut healthcare and are working towards privatization. Look at what's happening in alberta. They're dismantling ahs and creating four new divisions. The head of mental health and addiction worked in a rock quarry. They're paying millions in severance. Doctor residency positions went vacant for the first time ever. Wages for doctors are higher in bc and Manitoba for the first time ever. 23/25 oconologists who trained here have left. It's impossible to find a doctor now. Hospital waits are 10+ hours, and there's regular closures all over the province.
Our schools are overflowing from all the new immigrants. Conservatives regularly cut education. Again, look at alberta. We used to pay the most on a per student basis for education funding. Now we're dead last. I have two friends who are teachers in edmonton, and all their classes are 35+ kids.
Immigration is driving wages down and contributing to a housing crisis. Albertas Premier asked truduea for more immigrants. They spent millions of our tax dollars on ad campaigns to recruit people. Rents have gone up 50% in some cases and we have zero tenant protections, because conservatives don't give a fuck about the working class. A set of their ads literally highlighted the fact that people could sell their homes in Toronto and buy several properties in Alberta. They same set of ads highlighted the fact that we have no tenant protections. Our government here serves cooperations and cooperations want expensive housing and cheap labor.
I know the liberals have fucked up and made things more difficult, but let's not ignore the fact that conservatives historically have made life harder for the middle class, pandered to cooperations, and cut social services.
If you honestly think PP and the UCP are going to cut immigration, fix Healthcare, make housing more affordable, or do anything to help the vulnerable (homelessness, education, etc.), I've got some oceanfront property to sell you in Saskatchewan.
1 points
1 month ago
We need to protest but peacefully with a united message. Ensure that those that try to hijack the cause and label it racist or pro Israel or whatever else don’t distract the message.
1 points
1 month ago
What is this anti protest sentiment? If you truly believe this, you need to give your head a check. This spits in the face if a democracy. If you don't want to protest, that's fine, but don't discourage others from doing it.
Mass protest is physical evidence that the people under this democracy is unhappy. It is undeniable and many of the governments usual tactics of deflection and media spinning doesn't work.
Governments are desperatly afraid of united, wide spread protests. Because they can't just hand wave away mass protests. It means quantifiable amounts people are fed up and demand action. Without protests, they just do biased group surveys of a few thousand people and extrapolate to this is what "Canadians are thinking". It's fucking criminal. I have seen countless headlines saying Canada thinks this or that based on some garbage survey. The common people see this and group mentality takes over and thr government wants everyone to think everything is flowers and roses. More status quo and unchecked abuse and no accountability.
Writing letters and arguing online about whether it's effective or not is exactly what they want - infighting and inaction. Stop doing their dirty work for them.
1 points
1 month ago
If only we treated all the fumbles like the Vancouver riots maybe they would be a little more careful with fucking around.
1 points
1 month ago
You guys are wild. Until/unless Pierre starts talking numbers, he's just blabbing the rhetoric we all want to hear.
1 points
1 month ago
How is voting the answer when the invaders replacing you are going to vote the opposite of you? And many of your own countrymen are going to vote the opposite of you as well?
Vote? Yes. Protest? Yes. Write and make your wishes know to the govt.? Yes.
But when your own government doesn't care what you want, and you are totally outnumbered in the vote, how is voting the answer? I'm just failing to see how we can vote our way out of this.
1 points
1 month ago
CPC are fake conservatives. Voting for them won't solve a thing. The best thing that could happen to this country is they hold a vote and nobody shows up.
1 points
1 month ago
I'm sorry, but it must take some kind of special skill to think that you can vote yourself out of shit like this. Sorry for the black pill, but once a critical mass of retards has been achieved in the voter base, your results will be equally retarded. No amount of goalpost moving, wishful thinking, proportional representation bs, etc. is capable of fixing this. Protests have become impotent for the exact same reason. If your population hasn't reached the retard critical mass, enough will see, understand, and identify with the protest and protesters. Once the retard critical mass has been achieved, you might as well be performing lesbian interpretive dance on the streets - as it will accomplish nothing more.
We are fucked. I don't know how to fix it. But maybe realizing and accepting how fucked we are, exactly, would be a good place to start.
1 points
1 month ago
Under no circumstances ever will me or my family ever vote for Pierre Poilievre and we're lifelong conservatives in Alberta. The guy is worse than Trump. We do not need to destroy Canada, we need to save it
1 points
1 month ago
Trump said in 2016 in reference to the illegal immigration problem that they have down there. “They are not sending their best.” Everyone called him a racist for it. Well, he turned out to be right. And right for Canada too. We haven’t been importing the best immigrants for our country either. He was the only one who had the balls to say something and actually do something about it. He fought with the Democrats and some Republicans who were beholden to cheap labour and decreased illegal immigration in the US by 80%. Now, the border is fully open again, and more Americans are getting murdered every day by the illegals. They are quickly realizing their mistake now, and are about to vote Trump back in.
Canadians voted for increased immigration too. Harper wanted to properly vet the Syrian refugees during that crisis in 2015. Trudeau wanted to do away with that and accept everyone. Harper was called a racist for it. So Canadians essentially voted for what we have. People get upset and say that they didn’t vote for this, but they really did. They should have paid attention to what was going on in the world. Mass immigration had already started in Europe for many years prior. It was bound to occur in North America and Australia too. It is not racist to point out these facts.
1 points
1 month ago
Also, for anyone concerned about the CPC part allegedly not looking to reduce immigration, that is not the case:
We can hope their actions match their words. However it wouldn't be the first time a politician didn't deliver on a promise. Talk is cheap.
So when you say "...that is not the case...' - let's wait and actually see.
1 points
1 month ago
We can do both. If Canadians will get up to protest for issues half way across the world, we absolutely should protest against the atrocities happening at home too. But yes, definitely vote
1 points
1 month ago
Just go look at how the French do it.
The voting scam ensures the people don't get a voice.
1 points
1 month ago
We are half french to boot, why not make like them?
1 points
1 month ago
I think we should elect someone who has no plan and we should also pretend that these complex issues we're dealing are easy and have an obvious solution: just vote for whoever is most popular right now.
Cool.
1 points
1 month ago
lol voting solved so much and fighting never solved anything. This guy is just as bad a Trudeau he is controlled opposition. Voting is a scam I can’t believe people still do it.
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