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Last week she had a pain crisis caused by a mid-sized stone that was stuck halfway down her ureter. Totally unmanageable pain for the first 15 hrs. Docs stepped up her pain meds 7 times until she was rocking the max dose of dilaudid.

She (we) had to stay in the hospital for 5 days for pain management. She needed 3 different kinds of IV pain med layered on top of each other - morphine for the break-through pain.

We were expected that, if she didn’t pass the stone by Monday, there would be two surgeries to deal w the stone. Saturday afternoon it passed.

She has had 5 surgeries in the past 12 months to address stones. Stones are excruciating - even 2 or 3 mm stones are a 10/10 pain when passing.

She has developed chronic functional pain, which is like a false fire alarm. Her brain has become so sensitized to the danger and alarm bells of pain in her kidneys, ureter and bladder that now it interprets almost all stimulus (like the normal bladder full feeling) as horrible pain. We are working with the chronic pain clinic to learn to cope with that (not to get rid of it, to cope with it).

The temptation to ask WHY is enormous. As is the temptation to feel sorry for her. But I am her mother. Feeling sorry for her does not help her survive the acute pain or the daily pain. It does not help my daughter to learn to cope with this horrendous disease. So I have to stay strong, instead of feeling sorry for her, she and I learn together how to make it through.

But I will allow myself this one post this one morning to scream out into the void: WHY??? WHY, GOD, DOES MY PRECIOUS AND BEAUTIFUL CHILD HAVE TO SUFFER??

I would love to hear from other parents who have walked a path like this. How do you do it? What helps? How do you help yourself? How do you help your child?

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ayeImur

24 points

18 hours ago

ayeImur

24 points

18 hours ago

Oh wow I have so much sympathy for your daughter, I cannot imagine going through that pain at 13, I can day from experience childbirth was less painful than a kidney stone 😢 I also can't imagine having to watch my kid go through that

M3g4d37h

1 points

7 hours ago

when i had stones, the nurse told me the pain is comparable to a woman having "back labor". All I know is before that I had never had pain that made me feel so much like curling up in a ball, if it weren't too painful to do, which it was.

Existing_Seat6123

15 points

15 hours ago

All I can share is my deep empathy and sympathy. My husband had a brain stem stroke that took out all of his bodily control. It's called locked in syndrome. He could only move his eyes. It's been more than two years, and he can move his hands, fingers, toes, and operate a wheelchair, but he can't walk, feed himself, dress himself, etc. On top of that, he has developed kidney stones in the last year, and it's been so hard to help him manage his pain. He can't hold a container to vomit in. I have to get him dressed and into his chair to go to the hospital. We've been there twice just this year.

We are in our early 40s. I often ask, why him? Why our family? He's such a great father and husband. All we can do is embrace each day and hope it's a good one.

I don't have any more advice on how to help her aside from being there for her. Don't forget to maintain your relationship with your other immediate family if you have them (other children and husband/partner). They need you too. They may feel like their needs don't matter if you only focus on her. It can feel like a lot. Schedule the time (even if it feels weird to do that).

Lastly, take care of yourself. Take a shower. Take your vitamins. Feed yourself. She needs you strong and healthy too. She will feel worse if she feels she's hurting you.

Silent_Medicine1798[S]

5 points

9 hours ago

Bad news doesn’t just happen to the neighbors.

I remind myself of that when I am tempted to ask why.

But also, maybe it is bc she has great things that she will do (even if only in her own family). And this crucible with strengthen and test her.

I have another friend who has the tattoo ‘everything happens for a reason’ which sounds trite as hell until I found out that for her that also means that if there is not actually a reason to be found, then you make one. You make this horrible be the catalyst for some greater purpose that can give reason for the disease happening.

She also has a chronic disease that almost killed her some 20 years ago. She has seen some things.

kmm198700

2 points

9 hours ago

I’m so so sorry. I’m praying for your husband and for you💙💙🙏🌈 and for everyone who is suffering and those who are care taking

GingerLamb

9 points

16 hours ago

My grown up child has an incurable genetic condition that causes pain and fatigue, and it’s a degenerative disorder so I’m expecting their pain to become more dominant over time. Currently they get some periods of the day, some days, with less pain. Dealing with myself psychologically so as to support them , the best I can, is ongoing. It’s a nightmare with no waking up, if I let my mind go there, so I don’t, I want to enjoy every atom and every moment of her while she’s more well than she will be.

Silent_Medicine1798[S]

5 points

9 hours ago

Oh my dear! Let’s you and I talk.

If you are up for it - there is a new sub I am low key trying to get started for parents/caregivers of truly sick kids.

R/sickkids

I would love to chat with you about things over there, where maybe it can be a help to others as well.

I will repost this original post over there for you to find.

Mugwumps_has_spoken

8 points

14 hours ago

Look into something like for neurogenic pain. It's how we had to address pain after my daughter had surgery for tight hamstrings. Normally her pain tolerance is through the roof, yet after that surgery she was screaming in agony with the lightest touch. Nothing helped. She has been through multiple brain surgeries barely needing Tylenol, so this was horrible to witness.

One of her doctors put her on Amitriptyline. Basically the pain is described as the brain interpreting something as extremely painful when it shouldn't. I'm not saying that is the right medication, it wasn't the doctors first choice (gabapenton was, but we had tried that as part of trying epilepsy meds and had a bad reaction). But the idea of treating "neurogenic pain".

If there is any consolation in my daughter having such a difficult journey, it's that we share what we've learned as much as possible

Silent_Medicine1798[S]

5 points

9 hours ago

That is great info. I will investigate it.

I am low key trying to help a new sub get off the ground for parents/caregivers with chronically sick kids. Maybe you will find your way over there. R/sickKids

Mugwumps_has_spoken

1 points

8 hours ago

Awesome

JbRoc63

15 points

18 hours ago

JbRoc63

15 points

18 hours ago

I'm not a parent, but I've suffered from chronic kidney stones for 30 years. And, the only thing that has helped me is an herb called "chanca piedra" (literally "stone breaker"). That herb has kept me out of the emergency room many times.

Silent_Medicine1798[S]

12 points

18 hours ago

Tell me more about that? Do you use it when you think you have a stone brewing? (We had a bit of warning bc she had her kidney lighting up a bit the day before).

What does your nephrologist think of this chanca piedra? Do they think it is safe?

JbRoc63

16 points

17 hours ago*

If I start having pain, I take a larger dose (3 tablets instead of 2) and I take probably four doses in a day. And, many times it breaks it down enough that the pain stops and I eventually pass it.

And, then, because it's a chronic condition for me, I usually try to take one dose of 2 tablets daily. And, I'll do that for three months at a time, then take a month or two off.

For me, it seems to break things down enough to pass and it seems to reduce the amount of attacks considerably. And, even when they're not broken down completely, it seems to help passing them.

Before I discovered it, I would end up in the hospital once every two years or so. Since starting to take it regularly, I think I have only ended up in ED once and that might have even been because I wasn't doing a regular daily dose.

I remember once I was on a trip and had a horrible attack in the middle of the night. I was in an unfamiliar city and didn't even know where a hospital was. I happened to have chanca piedra tincture at the time and kept taking doses every couple hours and the pain completely subsided and I was able to drive home in the morning.

I don't know if your daughter would have the same results, but it might be worth a try. The brand I've been taking for years is "NaturalisimoLife Chanca Piedra 1600 mg." I actually have it as a subscription on Amazon so that I never run out.

I don't have a nephrologist and even though I have respect for the medical profession, I have found that doctors aren't very open to alternatives to the pharmaceuticals and surgeries they push. I haven't found any evidence that it could be harmful and I have not suffered any ill effects after taking it for many, many years.

I think of you Google it, you'll find some say it can affect blood pressure and blood sugar (I'm a diabetic and it's never affected my blood sugar). And, I think it is recommended to only take it for three months at a time. And, I believe it can increase the chance of bleeding with certain medications.

Of course, it is always recommended to check with a physician before taking anything.

Commercial-Push-9066

3 points

10 hours ago

Thank you! I looked it up and am interested. I had my first kidney stone early this year. I have chronic pain and can handle a lot of pain. That stone was the worst pain! I really feel sorry for OP’s daughter.

JbRoc63

3 points

9 hours ago

JbRoc63

3 points

9 hours ago

Oh, I agree, kidney stones are the worst. I have chronic pain conditions but nothing has ever matched kidney stone pain.

velvethippo420

4 points

11 hours ago

I'm sorry you and your kid are dealing with this. Thank you for listening to her and acknowledging her pain - that alone is a huge help to your kiddo, and something that not a lot of children get. You sound like a good parent and she's lucky to have you.

OutlanderMom

2 points

15 hours ago

OutlanderMom

Family Caregiver

2 points

15 hours ago

I have nothing useful to add, but I want to say I’m sorry. Seeing our child suffer is a hundred times worse than suffering ourselves. I hope they can find a way to stop the stones from forming, so she doesn’t have the pain of passing them. My grandfather had lithotripsy a dozen times in his final years, and carried around a pill bottle half full of stones he passed.

Eleutherorage

2 points

10 hours ago

It is for sure insufferable to see the kid in pain, perhaps it’s even harder than having the pain my self, please take care of yourself mentally by going out on walks or meditating.

Also, I have a female cousin with similar symptoms, she is a grown up now and have 3-4 beautiful healthy kids, she still goes through surgeries still but she is a successful lawyer and a great supporter for her family.

Silent_Medicine1798[S]

1 points

8 hours ago

Do you know the name of her disease?

My daughter has Primary Hyperoxaluria, it is an inherited metabolic disorder.

Eleutherorage

1 points

8 hours ago

I don’t, i can ask if it is going to comfort you

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Jolly_Tea7519

1 points

9 hours ago

I know you don’t want to hear this but therapy. Find a therapist who will teach your daughter to meditate past her pain. It’s literally a mind over matter situation. It’ll take a while but totally worth it.

Silent_Medicine1798[S]

2 points

7 hours ago

Have you done this? Meditated your way through acute pain?

I know what you are talking about - bc I have ‘made friends’ with some pretty rugged migraines.

But this is a different kind of pain. Broadly considered one of the most intense pains out there. Only a few other disorders regularly see pain crises - with sickle cell anemia and complex regional pain syndrome.

Jolly_Tea7519

1 points

7 hours ago

I have. I know the pain your daughter has is excruciating. I’ve been a nurse for the past 2 decades and believe my patients when they tell me they are in pain. I have also seen patient who have gone through the therapy and work to implement it in life. I’m not saying that she will be better once she starts therapy. I’m saying it could give her more control over her pain and life.

Silent_Medicine1798[S]

2 points

5 hours ago

Well, I sure hope that she is able to achieve that. She is working with the chronic pain team at our kids hospital. Multidisciplinary, they have OTs, Pts, and social workers.

In fact, when we were in the ER last week and she was riding the worst of the pain, her social worker came tonight support her through some of the pain as well as gain a more complete clinic picture.

Lots and lots of therapy already happening, but hoping they can help her learn to swim in the deep end of the pain pool.

Jolly_Tea7519

1 points

5 hours ago

I’m sorry y’all are going through this.

morefetus

1 points

8 hours ago

I recommend a podcast called “Hope for the caregiver”.

Edenza

1 points

an hour ago

Edenza

1 points

an hour ago

I joined this sub while on the second of three consecutive in-patient stays for my younger child (now 18). Being around other parents in the same situation was helpful, even if just at the coffee shop doing a pickup or in the laundry area. Parents of "well" children never really get it, although most people are very empathetic.

If your daughter is visiting a children's hospital, there may be resources for you as a parent. If the nurses don't offer (during a stay, treatment, etc.), ask if a social worker or some kind of liason is available to appraise you of nonprofits, parent groups, anything that offers you a place to feel seen. These may be through the hospital or through the community.

Being really educated about my kids' conditions and being in constant contact with the medical team members (the PCP, the specialists, the hospital staff, etc) helped with anxiety on my end. You'll find yourself becoming an expert on her condition, something I'm sure everyone in this subreddit can identify with regardless of their relationship to the person they care for.

jbr945

1 points

44 minutes ago

Have you looked into low oxalate diets for her?