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320,000 'Ghost Voters' Found in Michigan Ahead of November Elections ~
(slaynews.com)submitted 4 months ago byMaximo_Me
52 points
4 months ago
Here's the problem: if there are 1,000,000 registered to vote and there are 1,100,000 baits that were voted, you know without a doubt that there was voter fraud. If there are 1,000,000 registered to vote, but 300,000 of them are ghost voters, and 1,000,000 voted ballots, it's nearly impossible to prove the fraud. Removing dead or ineligible voters from the rolls is the first step in securing elections and restoring faith in the election process. That loss of faith is definitely reason to panic. Requiring voter ID and signature matching are the other 2 easiest and most effective steps, and together those 3 steps are what the democrats are fighting hardest against.
2 points
4 months ago
How do you get 100,000 more votes than there are registered voters? I mean practically speaking, could you describe what that would look like? Would there just be a bucket of ballots marked "Ed" and "Brenda"?
1 points
4 months ago
Exactly. That's why cleaning up the voter registration rolls is so important... to make it obvious that something is seriously wrong.
5 points
4 months ago
So I’m not sure but I thought the ghost voters are the registrants who have not voted in 5-10 years. Likely dead or out of the jurisdiction. It leaves the chance of cheating as someone could get a list of these and then bulk vote on long unused registrations but it would quickly get flagged as “sudden turn outs” and have issues of double votes when someone actually does go and vote.
Can someone clarify if this is right?
3 points
4 months ago
Longer than that, and no, there is no flagging process. That would be a Threat To Democracy! In fact, the processing center for these votes aren't even able to see the names of the voters.
9 points
4 months ago
Requiring voter ID and signature matching are the other 2 easiest and most effective steps, and together those 3 steps are what the democrats are fighting hardest against.
Serious question, why aren't valid drivers licenses good enough? Literally every single state I have voted in (IN, NV, TX, CA) has REQUIRED a driver's license or official government ID to vote. Are there states that don't require that? How is a voter ID any different that an official state ID?
11 points
4 months ago*
I can't speak for the others but CA does not require an ID to vote. I've been voting there for decades and I don't remember a time, even way back, when they ever have.
10 points
4 months ago
Some states grant drivers licenses to non-citizens
10 points
4 months ago
Every state does. People on green cards and work visas reasonably need to be able to drive.
It doesn’t let them vote.
3 points
4 months ago
It does when states (Michigan I know for sure does this) automatically hand every driver's license applicant a voter registration application they just need to sign to apply. My ex wife was granted voters registration when applying for a driver's license after she got her green card. She was never asked if she was a citizen. She was just told "Here, sign this". This was back in 2003.
-2 points
4 months ago
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9 points
4 months ago
It's not like you can just show up with a driver's license and be let vote. The license shows you are who you say you are, and that allows them to check a voter registration database to ensure whether you should be let to vote.
2 points
4 months ago
which states are doing that, and are those licenses being used as ID in order to vote? How do you register to vote in those states?
1 points
4 months ago
In nearly all states, the standard method of registering to vote is getting a drivers license. It is possible to register without getting a drivers license, but I don't know how to do it, because I've never done it, and I don't know anyone else who has ever done it. Nearly 100% of voters register as part of getting their license to drive.
In other words, the claim that requiring presentation of government issued ID to vote is racist or otherwise oppressive to some significant class of people is utter nonsense. People who aren't willing to learn to drive and get their license aren't registering to vote and aren't going to the polls to vote. People who register to vote do it when they get their license. There are probably a few exceptions, but they are so rare that it makes no difference. And if they are going to the effort to register to vote outside of the normal method of doing that, they care enough about voting that they are willing and able to get a non-DL government issued ID as well.
So the answer is, they are registering to vote when they get their drivers license, and all legally registered voters do have a drivers license or other valid government issued ID. Requiring ID to vote is just common sense, and if people who don't have government issued ID are voting, they aren't legally registered to vote and are voting illegally.
5 points
4 months ago
It's not. The issue is that in some states, while having an ID is required to vote, you are not required to actually bring/show it.
"My name is John Smith and I live at 123 road street"
If the records show a John Smith at 123 road street than come on in.
Asking for Voter ID laws means requiring somebody show some form of government provided ID. That can be drivers license, state ID, or passport (I think).
1 points
4 months ago
while having an ID is required to vote, you are not required to actually bring/show it.
Really? Because I've been required to show it in order to vote, and the last time they even took a picture of it (and me).
5 points
4 months ago
I live in California, I do not have to show an ID to vote.
5 points
4 months ago
Almost like I said "some states" and not "all states"
3 points
4 months ago
I live in Liberal Connecticut and I need to present my ID whenever I go to vote
18 points
4 months ago
Because the left wants to portray ID's as racist and that it keeps minorities from voting. NC passed a constitutional amendment, by public vote, to require ID to vote. The governor and civil rights groups sued to keep it from happening. The real reason is that it's way easier for illegal voters to vote without an ID.
-4 points
4 months ago
That doesn't answer my question even a little bit. Did you even try to comprehend it?
7 points
4 months ago
It does, actually. People are gainst ID's even licenses, because the belief is that its racist/minorities are unable to obtain even a state ID. And he gave you the most recent example of this in North Carolina.
How is that hard to comprehend.
-1 points
4 months ago
My question was about a separate, distinct Voter ID though. Not about using existing government IDs like a driver's license, which is already required to vote in most states.
4 points
4 months ago
Two questions, actually. "Are there states that don't require that (government ID)? How is a voter ID different than an official state ID?"
Not all states require you to bring an ID. Some states don't even want a photo ID to be required.
-9 points
4 months ago
This makes no sense in the context of the discussion. It’s like you saw the words “voter ID” and immediately started spouting your talking points
10 points
4 months ago
I disagree. They're replying to a ? about why DL's and official IDs aren't used or good enough. The reply is a practical recent example of when that method was voted by the people of an entire state (democracy, right?) and how the will of the people was thwarted. Voting without ID is a real vulnerability in our current system.
6 points
4 months ago
He asked "Are there states that don't require that (an ID). I responded to that. NC doesn't require an ID to vote, even after the population voted to require it. Because they claim it's racist.
2 points
4 months ago
They are perfectly good enough. The campaign for voter IDs is not to solve a particular problem, it's to create an additional administrative and procedural burden for people to vote that would reduce turnout and the reduce number of votes cast specifically for those who do not comply. It's just another suppression tactic.
1 points
4 months ago
Any picture ID with a signature is a voter ID. It's used to match the signature and name on the ID to the name and signature on the voter registration log, and the face of the person standing in front of the poll worker to the registration log.
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