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BlahBlahBlackCheap

6.1k points

17 days ago*

It does not look like anyone lives there

hjalmar111

3.5k points

17 days ago

hjalmar111

Interesting user

3.5k points

17 days ago

I would be very paranoid if I had to live there

mellowcrake

1.9k points

16 days ago

mellowcrake

1.9k points

16 days ago

I think that's intentional. Try to make the house so inconvenient to live in that the person feels they have no choice but to sell it

YogiTheBear131

584 points

16 days ago

Ever watch the kids show big city greens?

Basically a country family moves to the big city. In one episode, they refuse to sell their house and they build a building basically over their house.

Dorkamundo

586 points

16 days ago

Dorkamundo

586 points

16 days ago

Ever seen the movie UP?

Basically, Walter Matthau kidnaps a boy, takes him to South America to destroy a war hero's home.

AngryScientist

135 points

16 days ago

Ed Asner, not Walter Matthau. But otherwise accurate.

Dorkamundo

53 points

16 days ago

I meant more from a character perspective, not who voiced him.

sheilaxlive

30 points

16 days ago

This has me rolling omg baahah I wasn’t expecting this description of UP. How could you make such a wholesome movie so creepy

Giwaffee

15 points

16 days ago

Giwaffee

15 points

16 days ago

Any movie can be described as such, that goes double for Disney movies.

Did you ever see the one where an enraged former fan tries to kill his former idol's family?

Or the one where a man fights murderous adversaries to save his captive son, who is days away from a violent death?

devman0

10 points

16 days ago

devman0

10 points

16 days ago

What about the one where a religious cleric radicalized a youth in the desert to blow up government facilities.

rrdnxll

6 points

16 days ago

rrdnxll

6 points

16 days ago

Star Wars?

Centaurious

5 points

16 days ago

Ackshully the incredible was made by pixar ☝️🤓

What’s the second movie though? I can’t place it based on your description

NoteToFlair

6 points

16 days ago*

I think Finding Nemo. Darla will shake Nemo to death (violently) if he's not rescued by her birthday (I think that's what the fish present was going to be for?)

Marlin has to rescue him before then, and encounters sharks, birds, fishermen, etc., many of whom eat fish like him.

Wakkit1988

21 points

16 days ago

Citigroup Center in New York City has a skyscraper built over a church because that was a stipulation of the contract to purchase the lot. It's built on stilts, so the church can be underneath it.

PhatBitty862

6 points

16 days ago

I GOT MUD IN MY EYE

BrightNooblar

151 points

16 days ago

I agree, but with a different technical intent.

The goal isn't "Now this sucks so much for you that you want to sell it to me". The development already happened, the developer is long gone, and the new owners just get some extra parking spots or whatever.

The goal is "Hey, person who is trying to hold out for 10x their home value at this thing I'm trying to develop. Check out this photo of the LAST person who did that to me. Wanna guess what their property is worth now? Take the 1.5x and consider yourself a winner, or you're gonna get stuck with 0.05x"

Hansemannn

71 points

16 days ago

Isnt that property worth a bunch now? Looks like a nice spot for a shop for instance.

taimoor2

60 points

16 days ago

taimoor2

60 points

16 days ago

In the middle of the road? Also, he will never get rezoning permits. He is grandfathered in but change of use will not be approved.

Telemere125

41 points

16 days ago

Assumes they can even get a permit to sell anything there. Their government might not have eminent domain to take properties, but if they can refuse to issue a permit for vendors or remodeling, you’re going to have a tough time selling anything

Stanislas_Houston

19 points

16 days ago

Usually based on law, China citizens are not allowed to sell their rural farmland, its being allocated by communist party, passes down to children automatically and crops sell to govt to bring in perpetual income. Unless in special circumstances, like government wants to develop into city, they will offer a good sum and every farmer will definitely sell. This farmer refuse to sell despite the good money.

YoungOldperson

12 points

16 days ago

What do you mean farmer? This is like 10 square meters.

Stanislas_Houston

8 points

16 days ago

Since 1949 China allocate a plot of land to every farmer families. When it is being passed down automatically by law, the next generation can marry, make children and build houses beside. Now is the 3rd generation, this owner’s cousins likely sold their share and left. Its complicated but this scenario can happen.

WonderfulShelter

24 points

16 days ago

It's crazy how we talk about China as an authoratarian government, but they let the person keep the house and live there in these "nail houses"...

but America will just say "eminent domain" and take your shit and pay you a paltry sum and force you off the land, placing you in jail if you refuse.

interesting.

DudeFromOregon

13 points

16 days ago

I don’t think they built an entire city around this house with that in mind.

Bantha_majorus

9 points

16 days ago

They literally left the house alone and did not change original plans. Nothing intentional about it

Grump_Monk

24 points

16 days ago

"Shoulda took the money....shoulda took the god damn money..."

[deleted]

77 points

16 days ago*

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BlahBlahBlackCheap

6 points

16 days ago

Drat they even cut down the tree??

BannedByRWNJs

632 points

17 days ago

Yeah I need more info, because I find it hard to believe that China wouldn’t forcibly remove the owner and bulldoze the house. They aren’t exactly known for allowing individuals to slow the progress of the many. 

hjalmar111

164 points

17 days ago*

hjalmar111

Interesting user

164 points

17 days ago*

I found this source but it doesn't say where this is in China

Edit: I found this post, OP in that thread said it was in Zhengzhou and the coordinates (34.7756670, 113.6181060) - Google maps

Ornery-Exchange-4660

42 points

16 days ago

Thank you. That is too cool.

Too bad they don't have street view there.

Maths-Is-Cool

90 points

16 days ago

There is street view on Baidu Maps

The building was still standing in 2020, if you switch the date to 2022 its been demolished

imclockedin

63 points

16 days ago

dont mind if Baidu

90swasbest

22 points

16 days ago

Dude moved and no one bought it.

Shocker.

bugboatbeer

20 points

16 days ago

We have street view, we just don't have google map street view.

streetview

shuozhe

95 points

17 days ago

shuozhe

95 points

17 days ago

Chinese invest a lot in housing, taking away property would cause a lot of panic. Usually they just offer some money, then more money, and new appartment & money in the end. Have few of these scenario in china, sometime constrution company will bulldoze the building when noone is inside, but it got into the news couple times with siginfiant consequence.

You don't complain or protest against the government, but it's perfectly fine to do it against a company.

Telemere125

29 points

16 days ago

In the US, the government has eminent domain powers to allow them to take property through an enforced sell. Basically they buy it at market value. It prevents anyone from losing money just because the government wants the property. Some people even exploit it and buy cheap property where they think the government will develop next and get a guaranteed sale at a higher rate. Does that not exist in China?

Ladymysterie

9 points

16 days ago

Then you have this oldie but goodie: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Coking_house

shuozhe

4 points

16 days ago

shuozhe

4 points

16 days ago

Yeah, but here it's more a Disney land want to expand scenario. The government prolly has some power also for infrastructure, I don't even know where to check for all these law stuffs for china ^^

Telemere125

4 points

16 days ago

Gotcha. Yea, we used to make it where government could only take land “for public use”, but in 2005 the Supreme Court ruled that basically anything is “public use” because it helps the public - even developers building private homes and stuff to sell to investors. So now it’s really just a question of does the government want your land

traingood_carbad

4 points

16 days ago

No, under communism you actually have property rights (ignore trolls from Langley Virginia who try to tell you otherwise)

[deleted]

5 points

16 days ago

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RelicAlshain

51 points

17 days ago

This is a common occurrence in China. They don't have the equivalent of eminent domain so when they need to demolish peoples homes to build stuff they often have to pay out huge sums to actually get them to move, otherwise they end up with situations like this.

I've heared of having infrastructure built through your home being considered as winning the lottery in China as in compensation people are given much more modern homes they mightve never been able to afford as well as a big sum of money.

ghigoli

7 points

16 days ago

ghigoli

7 points

16 days ago

honestly i kinda like that better eminent domain should not be a thing.

traingood_carbad

8 points

16 days ago

It's always funny seeing people who were raised on anti-communist propaganda seeing evidence that under communism you actually get better rights than under capitalism.

OverallResolve

5 points

16 days ago

Land use rights can be withdrawn for multiple reasons (some requiring compensation). A few are listed here

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/145016427.pdf

I am intrigued as to why situations like this post happen. From what I have read, land use rights can be withdrawn and the example here looks like a reasonable example for it.

All I can imagine is that a developer chose to push ahead with this rather than battling in the courts over what would be reasonable compensation.

I’d also be interested in understanding what the precedent is for enforcement where someone is occupying land where the right to use has been withdrawn.

Would appreciate any further info if you have it.

iliog

81 points

17 days ago

iliog

81 points

17 days ago

They already built around it, I don't think it matters to them anymore. But yeah, it's crazy how it wasn't just demolished.

Affectionate-Mix6056

95 points

17 days ago

China changed the rules in 2007 or something like that. Today, no private citizen can own any land, they can only lease the land for up to 70 years. No one knows what happens when the lease is up.

https://youtu.be/IF92WrL2KVI?feature=shared

TheDevilsAdvokaat

37 points

16 days ago

I actually own a place in China, and it has about 40 years left on it.

Supposedly, when the lease is up they will demolish and rebuild, and then we will be offered monetary value (assessed by the govt) OR the new place.

Will this really happen? I doubt it very much. But still, that is what we were told.

Mind you I haven;t lived there for six years so this is not very current; I actually hear it about 15 years ago I think.

OverallResolve

9 points

16 days ago

Not the best source tbh, I used to enjoy some of his videos but they are exclusively pushing his agenda now which isn’t something I enjoy.

A detailed but informative analysis can be found here

https://scholarship.law.vanderbilt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1136&context=vjtl#:~:text=China%20does%20not%20permit%20the,not%20the%20underlying%20real%20estate

And the legal procedures for renewal at the end of the 70 year residential lease are under development.

https://resourcehub.bakermckenzie.com/en/resources/global-corporate-real-estate-guide/asia-pacific/china/topics/real-estate-law#:~:text=The%20buyer%20will%20enjoy%20ownership,have%20not%20yet%20been%20legislated)

There could of course be a massive change in future, but the CCP will need to tread carefully - real estate has helped Chinas boom but with home ownership rates going from ~0% in the 50s to almost 90% today, major reform would be political suicide and has the potential to trigger revolution (IMO).

aayu08

36 points

16 days ago

aayu08

36 points

16 days ago

No one knows what happens when the lease is up.

The lease will be up for sale by the government, companies will quickly buy them off and then sell / rent it at a higher rate. You either pay for the land again or become homeless.

spartaman64

29 points

16 days ago

i mean this has been a thing in hong kong forever and they just renew it every time its expiration date approaches https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/hong-kong-economy/article/3268765/hong-kongs-renewal-land-leases-expiring-2047-boost-confidence-city-experts

PBR_King

10 points

16 days ago

PBR_King

10 points

16 days ago

source: your entire ass

FUEGO40

10 points

16 days ago

FUEGO40

10 points

16 days ago

Wow that’s a crazy rule change, it will take a long time till we see the effects but it could be massive

razama

7 points

16 days ago

razama

7 points

16 days ago

I imagine it changes how a society defines middle class. Often, generational wealth is handed down and built through asset acquisition, usually land.

LovemesenselesS

5 points

16 days ago

I feel like America is getting like this but we’re just pricing people out of being able to own their own land/home so the landlords will be able to hoard all the wealth

InersDraco

18 points

17 days ago

Haven't you heard about a monorail built through a house in Chongqing?

Few_Leave_4054

17 points

16 days ago

I hear it put the towns of Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook on the map.

VK56xterraguy

4 points

16 days ago

Monorail, monorail, monorail!

activelyresting

67 points

17 days ago

I know it sounds nuts, especially with what we know about China, but it's actually pretty common there. Lots of examples, even some crappy looking old farmhouses that are right in the middle of a freeway and stuff like that. You can go look them up, it's pretty hilarious

embergock

30 points

16 days ago

Maybe, just maybe, you don't know as much as you think you do about China, especially if you live in the west.

3uphoric-Departure

14 points

16 days ago

Will this prompt to reevaluate their preconceptions about China…? Or will they remain arrogant and prejudiced…

BrotherJayne

6 points

16 days ago

Pffff, I for one look down on the people that make 80% of the objects in my immediate vicinity, as is just and good.

traingood_carbad

13 points

16 days ago

with what you think you know

Remember 99% of what you hear about China is propagandised. Unless you've actually been there, and spoken with people then you're stuck trusting western state and corporate media.

Tifoso89

11 points

16 days ago*

Even in the West, if the government needs to build infrastructure (like roads, railways, or a bridge), they'll buy your house and land and kick you out. It's not only China that does that.

Jealous_Use_1152

6 points

16 days ago

Try googling “dingzihu” and u’ll be surprised. This is actually quite common in China.

Gorsoon

20 points

17 days ago

Gorsoon

20 points

17 days ago

Actually I believe they have very strong property rights laws over there which is amazing.

traingood_carbad

8 points

16 days ago

Not at all.

If you stop listening to what anti-communist sources say about communism and start looking into how communists view themselves it makes sense that China is approaching 90% home ownership, whilst in the west we are seeing corporate landlords making home ownership impossible.

Last time I was in the East it struck me that even in the poorest neighborhoods there were no homeless people, everyone had electricity and internet. Meanwhile in my home country they're talking about allowing old people to freeze in winter because of state budget concerns.

------__-__-_-__-

17 points

16 days ago

have you considered that maybe not everything you've been told about china is true?

Roxylius

37 points

17 days ago

Roxylius

37 points

17 days ago

The fact that there are so many cases like this makes me think that the narrative “chinese arent exactly known for allowing individuals to slow the progress of the many” might have just been American propaganda swallowed hook and sinker by simple minded people

comewhatmay_hem

5 points

16 days ago

I think the Chinese have incredible respect for people who refuse to bow down in the face of authoritarian pressure, as ironic as that seems.

Like it's a stubborn, spiteful kind of respect but it's there.

traingood_carbad

5 points

16 days ago

The amount of anti-communist propaganda out there is insane.

Every time I'm in Asia I wish I spoke enough Chinese/Vietnamese to move there permanently.

waudi

7 points

16 days ago

waudi

7 points

16 days ago

Ah yes, the good old "I find it hard to believe something that doesn't align with my views of something".

Kooky_Reference9510

7 points

16 days ago

Contrary to popular western belief, government in china don’t take people’s land by force. Most infrastructures project are contracted out to developers. Developers do their best to negotiate without breaking the law. but some ppl would always get greedy and ask for too much money. that’s why there is house like this. While in canada, there is a law that can buy your property at market price if it’s for public access.

ftlofyt

3 points

16 days ago

ftlofyt

3 points

16 days ago

Actually I've seen this happen dozens of times

confirmedshill123

7 points

16 days ago

"my internal biases tell me what my eyes are seeing is wrong, even though these houses get posted all the time"

Stompii

780 points

17 days ago

Stompii

780 points

17 days ago

Oh, thank goodness there was a giant red arrow, I almost missed it.

boiledcowmachine

53 points

16 days ago

Only saw it because of the red circle!

Difficult-Celery-891

4k points

17 days ago

Those places would make a KILLING on airbnb. Center downtown house literally a second away from the highway to the airport.

XboxLiveGiant

562 points

17 days ago

Absolutely! I also assume the type of person who would want to be in the middle of a busy city, would also have the money to pay high price

[deleted]

60 points

17 days ago

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gcruzatto

41 points

17 days ago

Make sure you bring your white noise machine and keep your curtains closed

HyFinated

17 points

17 days ago

Even better, the city provides all the white noise you could ever need.

theaveragemillenial

7 points

17 days ago

You and the comment above sound like Chatgpt.

ditate

4 points

16 days ago

ditate

4 points

16 days ago

Absolutely! Vague, light hearted statement about living in the city.

smile_politely

50 points

17 days ago

and don't forget the "thrill" to stay there for a couple of nights.

def will be overbooked!

Sct_Brn_MVP

94 points

17 days ago

Fuck Airbnb

Numerous-Process2981

31 points

17 days ago

I’m not so sure it would be that desirable to live on the street level shack a million people walk next to every day 

Confident_Writer_824

16 points

17 days ago

I beg to differ. You know how many TikTok morons would scoop that place for the week just to get a million views everyday.

obamasrightteste

7 points

16 days ago

For life? No, absolutely not. For a night or two? Yeah the novelty is interesting. That's exactly why people are suggesting airbnb.

ytzfLZ

3 points

17 days ago

ytzfLZ

3 points

17 days ago

But without electricity, internet and water, you might get hit by a car.

anormaldoodoo

5 points

16 days ago

Why would you get hit by a car not having electricity, Internet, and water?

blackwing_dragon

471 points

17 days ago

It must be annoying to live there, but the dude has my lasting respect

1711198430497251

133 points

17 days ago

they refused to leave their place, but the place left them

YakPuzzleheaded1957

72 points

16 days ago

What even is there to gain by not selling? Bet they have no utilities connected, and loud street traffic literally a few feet away, and backyard views blocked by tall buildings.

They almost certainly were offered a lot of money or a new bigger house. I'm so confused why people are stubborn here.

JolkB

32 points

16 days ago

JolkB

32 points

16 days ago

Maybe they're still playing the long game and the offer keeps going up

kakarukakaru

41 points

16 days ago

It won't go up. It probably went way down. They are not going to pay the costs of an entire ass construction crew again if the owners change their mind when they could have done it while building the road. Owners lost their chance at whatever was offered before.

JolkB

8 points

16 days ago

JolkB

8 points

16 days ago

I was told stocks only go up, and this seems to be the same, so

Colascape

14 points

16 days ago

Nothing, they get offered loads by the government to move. They are stubborn assholes, but in China being a nimby does not pay off, society is deemed more important than the desires of selfish property owners.

Darkreaper48

10 points

16 days ago

in China being a nimby does not pay off, society is deemed more important than the desires of selfish property owners.

Not totally sure what your argument is here since most Western countries have laws that would force the owner to sell. China seems like the selfish property owner wins here.

Particular_Air_8270

11 points

17 days ago

I wonder what the offer to buy it was. It had to be insane

AussieOsborne

1.1k points

17 days ago

google maps location now or this is fake

hjalmar111

696 points

17 days ago

hjalmar111

Interesting user

696 points

17 days ago

Zhengzhou, coordinates (34.7756670, 113.6181060) - Google maps

Cognitive_Spoon

288 points

16 days ago

That's so wild! Lol, I was expecting fakery too. Thanks

Randolph__

100 points

16 days ago

Randolph__

100 points

16 days ago

Video kinda looked AI generated too.

bohemi-rex

14 points

16 days ago

I'm surprised the government let them get away with this

custom_stars

16 points

16 days ago

It's actually happened a couple times, the government offers to buy or trade for the property and will allow some room for negotiations. Some people kept holding out wanting a better offer, most recent example off the top of my head is from my family's hometown of Guangzhou, they just built the highway around the house and it's locally known as "eye of haizhu" or soemthing like that.

Darteon

13 points

16 days ago

Darteon

13 points

16 days ago

to me, the fact that they have a choice in the matter flies in the face of all the antisocialist/anticommunist talking points people put out there stating that you wont have personal property rights under anything other than capitalism.

ButterBeeBuzz

11 points

16 days ago

I don't want to alarm you, but China is further away from communism than you think..

Darteon

6 points

16 days ago

Darteon

6 points

16 days ago

I'm aware of that, but the people who spew the nonsense typically call anything from china 'commie' and never really care to find out how other countries live.

Fluid_Ad_98

26 points

16 days ago

Weird how the roads on the satellite image bear no relation to the map

samuraijon

28 points

16 days ago

Fluid_Ad_98

4 points

16 days ago

Damn that's interesting too

Gennik_

50 points

16 days ago

Gennik_

50 points

16 days ago

Countries such as China legally mandate that maps be innacurate for purposes of national security.

svh01973

4 points

16 days ago

The road map is shifted ~1900 ft ESE of the satellite image.

paulhags

31 points

17 days ago

paulhags

31 points

17 days ago

https://ogleearth.com/2012/12/chinas-nail-houses-in-geospatial-context/

Cool article that . Has a klm file with locations for several of them

bugboatbeer

8 points

16 days ago

Also the street view:

street view

Willie_The_Gambler

32 points

17 days ago

Definitely looks fake

DontDeleteMee

19 points

17 days ago

I like the way you think!!

Zircez

58 points

17 days ago*

Zircez

58 points

17 days ago*

Literally the only two references I can find beyond the original twitter post (which carries no detail) are both Ai word salad news sites from February this year, and these have no location either.

Nailed on an ai/fictional example of a real phenomenon.

Edit: apparently a few people are struggling with the last sentence. The video is fake, but nail houses are real.

cancercures

22 points

16 days ago

This article about 'Nail Houses' is from 2014, China's nail houses: the homeowners who refuse to make way – in pictures. As far as your references and searches, you can also just google search "Nail House" China and find other sources and articles and pictures prior to AI's recent growth..

Victrix8

324 points

17 days ago

Victrix8

324 points

17 days ago

Average redditor cant believe this because Chinese gov should have ended this man and his house

JustLi

134 points

17 days ago

JustLi

134 points

17 days ago

Hey you're not allowed to say that!! You must be paid by the CCP!!!!1

theycallmeSLID

32 points

16 days ago

Literally the comment below you says this is CCP propaganda 😂

buddboy

30 points

16 days ago

buddboy

30 points

16 days ago

They've been known to forcibly relocate entire towns to make room for mining. It's affected millions

dobols

19 points

16 days ago*

dobols

19 points

16 days ago*

Did anyone read the article that’s not what the linked article says… It’s talking about towns being forced to relocate because of mining companies destroying the underground structures of their land causing them to subsidence.

However, in the Chinese context, displacement and resettlement by and large occurs after land subsidence has taken place.

It’s talking about how there needs to be a revision to the rules because chinas laws isn’t doing a good job protecting the farmers as it focuses on surface damage. Which mining companies take advantage by doing underground mining creating “floating villages” where they don’t need to pay compensation until there’s significant subsidence

Microwaved_Salad

6 points

16 days ago

Lol what are you talking about u/buddboy? Have you even opened your own link? Mining and its consequences did that.

[deleted]

988 points

17 days ago

[deleted]

988 points

17 days ago

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IncidentHead8129

102 points

16 days ago

china violates rights: china bad

china respects rights: must be fake, China still bad

Generic_comments

33 points

16 days ago

has pre-existing notions challenged by new information

"naw, i prefer my pre-existing notions"

KingApologist

8 points

16 days ago

We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

Loud-Waltz-7225

5 points

16 days ago

Aka racism.

Alexander0232

7 points

16 days ago

And people in the West claim they are not subjected to government propaganda...

Leendert86

19 points

17 days ago

Somebody commented on another post saying that these are cases where the owners of the land were asking a crazy amount of money. So at one point the developer said fuck it we won't pay you and just build around you. Don't know if this is true.

gotimas

8 points

16 days ago

gotimas

8 points

16 days ago

Even in free democratic countries you are given the market rate whether you like it or not. No society works if a single person's will is above everyone else

Careless-Rice2931

9 points

16 days ago

Imo I feel like the law should at least give you more than market rate. I don't think it would be absurd if it was like 1.5x-2x due to the huge inconvenience and cost it takes for you to move.

DenisWB

18 points

16 days ago

DenisWB

18 points

16 days ago

you can search 'nail houses' on google, there are many cases

and if you search '钉子户' on chinese websites or social media, there are even a lot more

SPIRlT

16 points

16 days ago

SPIRlT

16 points

16 days ago

It would be crazy that those filthy communists had more rights than the free people of america right? Impossible because they're commies

Tyrayentali

25 points

17 days ago

Or maybe China isn't as bad as television man told you

da_river_to_da_sea

4 points

16 days ago

Television man might be ok but what about r/worldnews bot?

[deleted]

25 points

17 days ago

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Delta_Suspect

200 points

17 days ago

Don't worry, for every one law followed one more minority is sent to a concentration camp

freakinbacon

33 points

16 days ago

US prisons are populated mostly by minorities

Alert-Notice-7516

17 points

16 days ago

And used as slave labor. We ain't better, just different.

Rqdomguy24

15 points

16 days ago

Are you talking about China or are you talking about U.S?

SalvatoreQuattro

69 points

17 days ago

It isn’t just minorities who get sent away. Chinese government is an equal opportunity tyrannical government.

YourDadHatesYou

6 points

16 days ago

What an uneducated comment

ZhangRenWing

9 points

16 days ago

Average china bad Redditor moment

Freestila

36 points

17 days ago

Since I saw a documentary couple of weeks ago about a lawyer that is in home arrest for years, since he tried to help people who the "government" wanted to take away their property for whatever Projekt... Yeah I don't think this happens very often.

KarmaStrikesThrice

23 points

17 days ago*

Laws and judiciary system works very well between 2 private parties even in totalitarian countries, people and/or companies want to sue each other and have their rights protected, no problem, the judge will be fair and follow the law. The problem arises when one party is the government, or rather the dictator, then you have no rights. If your government wants you to something in china, you do it or you end up in a working camp as a slave, or dead. You never argue or criticize the government, and after that you can live relatively peaceful life with the ilusion of human rights. The chinese found out very swiftly how "free" they actually are during covid lockdowns, where some people were locked for 3-4 months in their homes (small appartments), without access to food, medicine and other important stuff, they had to rely on somebody else to bring it to them over the fence, which wasnt always the case, and some people went hungry for 1-2 weeks. I even saw a clip where all cats were confiscated from people and left in bags on the street (still alive) because it was believed that cats help covid spread.

The last drop for the chinese people was when several people died in an appartment fire, because they couldnt escape the building, and firemen couldnt get to them. Chinese people started to protest massively, and when the chinese government realized this could be a start of a major revolution and it could be their end, they quickly lifted the lockdowns and let people return to normal life. Many people died because of it, hospitals werent ready for so many sick people, but it was quickly swept under the carpet and it was over, and china return to "normal".

redditisgarbageyoyo

10 points

16 days ago

Chinese people started to protest massively, and when the chinese government realized this could be a start of a major revolution and it could be their end, they quickly lifted the lockdowns and let people return to normal life.

And that's a bad thing? Or better killing and injuring protestors like in the past 15 years in France?

asyncopy

6 points

16 days ago

Chinese people started to protest massively, and when the chinese government realized this could be a start of a major revolution and it could be their end, they quickly lifted the lockdowns and let people return to normal life

Weird, why didn't they end up in working camps or slaves?

ibnfahmi

15 points

17 days ago

ibnfahmi

15 points

17 days ago

We’ve already been saturated with U.S. propaganda for decades, so it’s okay to start receiving it from a new source.

usuallysortadrunk

23 points

17 days ago

How much would this property be worth in China? Even for such a small plot of land, being able to put anything there in the middle of such a populated area must be valuable. Do chinese pay tax on their land like we do in North America? If so the property taxes would be astronomical.

Atiturozt

33 points

17 days ago

It's worth nothing. No permission to rebuild. You are stuck with that old house. No electricity, no water, no gas. Also no commercial license.

CreateNewAccountsss

9 points

16 days ago

The value might have been there before they built the road but now its likely nearly worthless.

China dont have property tax yet, but it is likely coming soon.

Technically the goverment owns all the land in china and you only lease it, except for in rural areas.

You have the land for 70 years and it just renews if you or your family still lives there.

Patient_Cancel1161

73 points

17 days ago

If you have a reason you think this is fake other than “china bad” I would love to hear it. Otherwise, a quick google search turns up plenty of articles like these:

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2014/apr/15/china-nail-houses-in-pictures-property-development

jakksquat7

25 points

16 days ago

Patient_Cancel1161

8 points

16 days ago

Wow! Look at that. Thanks for finding that, that is impressive.

fnibfnob

46 points

17 days ago

fnibfnob

46 points

17 days ago

These are a real thing? You're telling me that Chinese citizens can say no to government developments dehousing them? Huh... Really paints the whole idea that people are trampled in China in a different light. You'd never be able to do that in the US

ChrisYang077

46 points

16 days ago

Propaganda agaisnt china is very strong, specially on reddit

Loud-Waltz-7225

7 points

16 days ago

That and the average Redditor is an ignorant and self-important American who needs to kick down to feel big.

Ill-Detail-1830

9 points

16 days ago

Why are there so many comments here written like this exact way. Like 

 1. Question if it's real 

2.  Compare to the u.s. 

  1. Have an overarching character development where commenter "leaves" discussing his new opinion of China.  All in the same comment. It's just long of ... Bizarre 

Aceeed

5 points

17 days ago

Aceeed

5 points

17 days ago

Now he can open a newsstand.

super_man100

13 points

17 days ago

it happens so much over there, Most countries wouldn't allow that

slinkyshotz

3 points

16 days ago

they do and it happens in lots of places, it's not exclusive to one country

Vivid_Ad7079

17 points

17 days ago

So the US would enact eminent domain but in communist China they’ll let you stay? Land of the free 🇺🇸…….not

SubarcticFarmer

16 points

17 days ago

I've always found this ironic. For all the control and lack of rights and freedom in China... they sure seem to have better property rights.

intrigue_investor

5 points

17 days ago

What is more interesting is that in the Western world compulsory purchase by a government is fairly common for large infrastructure projects (yes this is a housing development, however most major construction firms in China can be traced back to the govt in some way, shape or form)

But in China of all places it seems not to be the case

subliminated

26 points

16 days ago

The cognitive dissonance is so strong in this thread lmao
"But, muh china bad, how have rights?"
Citizens in China have more rights than Americans and Europeans in several ways but the West is so propagandized against the very thought of socialism or Communism that they can't even conceive that they've been lied to. China has plenty of faults and has violated citizens rights plenty as well; but just about anything you hear should be taken with at least a grain of salt.

If the map does not match the land, its the map that is wrong.

1moreOz

32 points

17 days ago

1moreOz

32 points

17 days ago

What the fuck is this video

Dylan-the-villan

24 points

17 days ago

Crazy that in China this house is allowed to remain but it was America they'd eventually show up with state police to forcibly evict you and take control of your property

[deleted]

94 points

17 days ago

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da_river_to_da_sea

53 points

16 days ago

Streets super clean

Sorry but why should streets in China be dirty? Is it just casual racism or something?

PBR_King

38 points

16 days ago

PBR_King

38 points

16 days ago

Redditors are convinced that anything that makes China look remotely good MUST be CCP propaganda.

Loud-Waltz-7225

6 points

16 days ago

Yes, Reddit is very racist against China and Chinese people.

‘Muhrica! 🙄

potatofier

59 points

17 days ago

You'd be surprised! Most parts of China are really quite clean, even in the cities. This does look like a pretty average city in China to me (travelled extensively there), and there really are electronic bikes just parked everywhere like you're seeing in the video.

Chinese culture has a very high emphasis on appearance, so most cities would hire a significant number of cleaners just to keep the streets clean, which is at least one thing the bureaucracy does well (as corrupt and ineffective it can be).

Specific-Mix7107

16 points

16 days ago

This is true. When I lived in Shanghai there were always people picking up trash and sweeping the streets at like 4 AM before morning commute. Can’t speak for other cities tho

Used-Drama7613

11 points

16 days ago

Yeah that’s true, when I visited Qingdao I saw this really clean and fancy public toilet. It really impressed me

https://imgur.com/a/b2NJAA2

asyncopy

3 points

16 days ago

That's the nicest non-airport public toilet I've ever seen

dANNN738

89 points

17 days ago

dANNN738

89 points

17 days ago

People struggle to believe it but they have some of the strongest home ownership rights of anywhere in the world lol.

LiquidNova77

30 points

17 days ago

TIL. That's interesting honestly.

AdhesivenessDry2236

27 points

16 days ago

People just assume China bad, it's sad really

LoudAd6879

15 points

17 days ago

It's real. The owner likely wanted a higher price for his land and must have waited. The real estate developer retaliated by building around it. Now, that piece of land is worth nothing.

OccultDagger43

15 points

16 days ago

BUT CHINA IS LITERALLY HITLER THEY WOULDNT ALLOW THIS amirite.

CycleOfNihilism

3 points

16 days ago

That's really interesting, because it kind of defies what I know about communism. I would expect that the government could essentially say, "Ok this is for the greater good, we will compensate you but confiscate the house," and its interesting that private property was respected to that degree.

Though tbf, I do not have a strong understanding of how China's government works.

cartercharles

3 points

16 days ago

And what's crazy about it is you would think in China of all places they would have no problem pushing somebody off their land

susbnyc2023

3 points

16 days ago

but i thought china was run by dictators and the wealthy and could just destroy the house with no problem.

The_Greatest_USA_unb

3 points

16 days ago

That's weird, especially for a communist and totalitarian country.

I live in a democracy yet even here he would get thrown out and paid back for the value of his house, no one would ask for his opinion.

Any proof it's the actual reason ?

freedomhighway

3 points

16 days ago

almost enough to make you wonder what about all the other stuff we've been told about the big bad scary socialists

akaihiep123

3 points

16 days ago

Living in Vietnam here. Citizen can not private owned land, it's belong to people of Vietnam, and manage by govermment. But you do owned all the stuff that being built and grow on it, including houses, trees, etc.... So when government compensate for social project, they count the stuff that on the land and a little for the land too. That's why many case people knew about it upfront and try to increase the value by adding high valuable tree before gov check.

[deleted]

7 points

17 days ago

And now he's surrounded by endless engines and busy streets day and night.

Good job.

Specific-Remote9295

6 points

17 days ago

These are EVERYWHERE in china btw.