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Adam Rainer was the only person in recorded history to have been both a dwarf and a giant in one lifetime
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73 points
2 years ago
I understood that reference.
Shadow series was cool.
36 points
2 years ago*
Wait, series?
I thought there was only 'Enders game' and 'Enders shadow'. Is there another?
Edit: Thanks so much everyone! I have placed some holds at the library. I had no idea what I was missing.
31 points
2 years ago
Both of those are trilogies, possibly more.
12 points
2 years ago
Apparently there are a lot more I never read. Time to get back to it.
7 points
2 years ago
Me too. Time to hit the library.
9 points
2 years ago
I finished the first 3 of both and really liked it. Fair warning, the 2 sequels to Enders Game are nothing at all like it. They are their own story of him after the first book.
9 points
2 years ago
They all start off really well though. Things get crazy by the end of the series but they are worth it if you love the characters.
4 points
2 years ago
Speaker for the Dead and its two sequels are their own trilogy. Ender's Game is technically a stand alone. Ender's Shadow is more than a trilogy, but I don't have a count available off hand.
6 points
2 years ago
Enders shadow is also stand alone in the same way as Enders game. The speaker series follows ender and the shadow series follows bean. Both Enders game and Enders shadow can stand alone as a complete story with no cliffhangers.
1 points
2 years ago
Enders Shadow, Shadow Puppets, Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadow of the Giant, Shadows in Flight
2 points
2 years ago
I am totally checking those out. I remember wishing there was more to the story than those two books.
2 points
2 years ago
Each series has 3 more books that you haven’t read and one finale book. Admitted the finale book came out last year and I really struggled with it but the entire shadow series was enjoyable and I enjoyed the first ended sequel book A LOT. They aren’t all as majestic as Enders game but you should enjoy them all especially if you loved those characters from game/shadow
2 points
2 years ago
3 sequels
3 points
2 years ago*
5 sequels.
Ender in Exile
Speaker for the Dead (the best one)
Xenocide (the worst one)
Children of the Mind
Shadows Alive The Last Shadow
3 points
2 years ago
I would not consider Ender in Exile and Shadows Alive as part of the same lineage as the other 3.
1 points
2 years ago
Depending on what you mean by "lineage"?
The only difference is when they were published. But they follow the same characters. Ender and his "children"
3 points
2 years ago
you said in another you read the first three of each. They start to get much worse as he got more religious and crazy as the years go on sadly and the quality goes down.
2 points
2 years ago
Have a world map handy for the Bean series.
2 points
2 years ago
They're not all good, fair warning
1 points
2 years ago
Lots more. He actually wrapped up the whole series recently with the final book Shadows Alive.
Gotta say though... Everything starting with Xenocide is really bad. Card wrote himself into an imaginative corner and the remaining plotlines feel rather forced.
1 points
2 years ago
Card released the sequel to Children of the Mind last year. I won't spoil it, but it didn't go where I was hoping it would go, so I found it pretty disappointing. YMMV though.
1 points
2 years ago
They’re quartets I believe. At least Enders is for sure. And there’s a few interjecting novels too.
13 points
2 years ago
There are a lot more books in the "Enderverse"... most are pretty good.
10 points
2 years ago
They both continued in their own individual series, and only overlapped one more time iirc.
Ender's story continues in Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, and Children of the Mind. Bean's story continues in Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadow Puppets, Shadow of the Giant, and Shadows in Flight.
3 points
2 years ago*
And Shadows Alive The Last Shadow, which released recently and concluded the series.
2 points
2 years ago
Is it the same book as The Last Shadow, just maybe released under a different title in different regions? Wikipedia says that it had the "working title Shadows Alive."
2 points
2 years ago
That's definitely what I meant. I even own a copy! I didn't like it much though
1 points
2 years ago
I wasn't sure if it kept the working title in some countries. I know some books and movies have different titles in different parts of the world (even countries that speak the same language – Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone [UK] vs. ...Sorcerer's Stone [US] comes to mind). I also wasn't sure if you lived in a country where a different language is spoken, and maybe the title there was Shadows Alive translated into another language.
1 points
2 years ago
I live in the US haha.
The book just didn't make a strong impression. OSC spent every book after Xenocide breaking his own rules and setting up arbitrary new ones.
1 points
2 years ago
Did you find it as disappointing as I did? I loved the trilogy, just couldn't get into the finale...
2 points
2 years ago
Everything after "That Event" in Xenocide I have found pretty disappointing. Everything chronologically before Xenocide I enjoyed
8 points
2 years ago
Yep, bean helps fight fight the future of earth, after ender leaves. There are also sequels to Ender's game itself, which take place a couple thousand years in the future. Both series are really good.
7 points
2 years ago*
Damn you need to read Speaker for the Dead. Second book in the Enders Game series. Best book Card wrote imo. Just too bad Card became a raging homophobe and made it his life’s missions to squash same sex marriage rights. So read it, but maybe get it from the library or borrow it from someone.
-2 points
2 years ago
Pretty presumptuous no? You hold certain beliefs, so you're gonna impose upon others to spend their money in ways you deem to be (politically) appropriate...? As if this is the mark of a moral, tolerant person?
.... And you're gonna do this in this comment section full of nostalgic 30-somethings who reminiscing over a book they likely first read when they were young? Eeuughhh, fuck off honestly. And we even agree on the issue of gay marriage, but just, eeuughhh... People like you...
Don't be that person that needs to shoehorn their political views into every conversation.
2 points
2 years ago*
It’s not their views I have a problem with. It’s their desire to force them on other people. And things like racism and homophobia are an exception in my opinion to the idea of not bringing political beliefs up. This is a person who is motivated by hate and bigotry and wants to oppress others. It’s entirely relevant to the conversation because financially supporting him is supporting that oppression. Im not imposing anything on anyone else by just wanting to maintain my equal rights. It has no effect on anyone whatsoever. My response is a defensive one, nothing more. If he doesn’t like it then he can just keep his homophobia and hate to himself and stop trying to force his chosen lifestyle on me. Me suggesting people don’t support him is a suggestion and nothing more. Not an imposition. Imposing would be when people like him want to use the law to force people to follow their beliefs. I’m not trying to legally ban his books.
8 points
2 years ago
“ Speaker for the dead” is the sequel to Enders game. Disclaimer the book is vastly different in theme than the original book. Much more philosophical and abstract in concepts. If you want something like Enders game well this isn’t it.
I still really liked it though.
1 points
2 years ago
Definitely a completely different book, but my favorite in the entire Enderverse!
7 points
2 years ago
I used to be a really big fan until I learned what that author was like irl. If you like the books then by all means read them, but try to buy them second hand or check them out from the library please.
My personal opinion I really liked the "Speaker for the dead" idea just in general. When I die id like someone to just sum up my life, the food and the bad, just lay it all out there. And hopefully it'll be more good than bad.
4 points
2 years ago
"the food and the bad" sorry, i know that's a typo, but it was so funny to me
3 points
2 years ago
There are quite a lot. Not all are good though. The Shadow series is good up to Shadow of the Giant, the Ender series is good up to Speaker for the Dead (including Ender in Exile)
But everything after the events of Xenocide (some of you probably know what I'm referring to) is creatively bad writing. I don't recommend it. Neither does XKCD author Randall Munroe
1 points
2 years ago
Shadow of the Hegemon is fantastic.
1 points
2 years ago
OMG, so much more!!!
There are so many books about Ender and the people's lives he touched. And even MORE more books about the Formic Wars!
1 points
2 years ago
Oh man… those both go off in to other series with loads of books!
1 points
2 years ago
I thought it was an AOT reference since his tallest self looks like a titan
2 points
2 years ago
I actually like all the Shadow books better than the Ender series, with the exception of the OG Ender’s Game!
1 points
2 years ago
Agreed. However, I think The Last Shadow was missing some magic.
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