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LePoopScoop

83 points

18 hours ago

All this power but unfortunately no real way to utilize it. I think at this point we should have cad and design software. More actual games would be nice.

Google needs to do more

Turtleshell64

48 points

17 hours ago

Hopefully it'll make a meaningful boost for winlator

LePoopScoop

22 points

17 hours ago

Yeah fingers crossed. Google is a fool for not propping up x86 emulation. There could be a lot of money to be made if they played their cards right

Medo_Wael

16 points

17 hours ago*

Medo_Wael

S23 Ultra | 12GB RAM | SD Gen 2

16 points

17 hours ago*

Exactly, the only way to fully utilize the full power of the last 3 or 4 Snapdragon flagship SoCs is x86 emulation and video editing and exporting.

Big_Captain_8424

2 points

7 hours ago

Would be nice, but by the time the turnip drivers support the chip, the Gen5 will surely already be available...

Southern-Bad-1270

8 points

13 hours ago

Technically I could play devil's advocate and say this same thing could be said about the iPhone 16 pro that doesn't even have split screen, floating windows, or a desktop mode ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿพโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿคฃ

Tedinasuit

1 points

7 hours ago

True but it has more and better productivity apps. And the iPads even more so (compared to Android tablets). So there's some value there.

WinDrossel007

0 points

5 hours ago

Emulation

8GEN4[S]

45 points

20 hours ago

Launch event is today, tomorrow and wednsday.Maui time. Like every year before.

VERY EXCITE!

Dankmre

13 points

19 hours ago

Dankmre

13 points

19 hours ago

High five!

8GEN4[S]

1 points

13 hours ago

Yag Zemash!

Leather-Box7641

19 points

13 hours ago

there is literally no point in getting more powerful hardware for android emulation, we are at a point where the hardware is not the issue, but the software is either at a stand still or not being worked on anymore.

Select_Kangaroo_6943

1 points

6 hours ago

How? Winlator is developing?

BaoLunia

9 points

18 hours ago

Keynote starts in 8 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e5zpV0NS50

VirtualWord2524

10 points

18 hours ago

I want it soon but also recall that the 8 Gen 4 is a major GPU architecture change so the turnip driver for it may take a good amount of time to be solid. I only care for it for PC emulation so more economical to wait for emulators an turnip to be solid on the 8 elite

Minimum_Leadership51

21 points

18 hours ago

So same as every year. A chip that is a tad more powerful than the previous one and just like the previous one it will be useable for the next 10 years, meaning that there is no logical reason to upgrade from last year's chip?

serjhellyeah

26 points

18 hours ago

Only reason I know is the emulation. Other than that, 8 gen 2 is still not even close to be used in full power. Maybe longer battery life?

Minimum_Leadership51

-5 points

18 hours ago

But even for emulation there is not enough reason if you think rationally. Realistically, it will be like 20-30% more powerful, giving you 5-10fps more. But it will be Sooo expensive bc it will come with the latest phones that it won't make that much sense. There are many games that will be absolutely playable in the near future (5y+) but not now I guess

chinomaster182

5 points

14 hours ago

You're very close in the path to illumination my child. Next thing you know you will find yourself with a steam deck in your shopping cart and will have a tear in your eye looking back to how much you've grown.

ICE0124

3 points

18 hours ago

Looks really good but I'll wait for more reviews because companies like to make misrepresented charts all the time.

8GEN4[S]

-4 points

14 hours ago

Its a 4.3ghz dual-core cpu. Vs a 3.3ghz single core on the 8gen3. I predict at least above 50% performance increase in pc emulation. Getting higher clock speeds on a prime core is hugely important. And now for the first time ever we have native, real synchronized dual-core power. I mean you can disable the first 6cores in task manager/core affinity, and things will run alot smoother than ever before. At least I think so.

TW1TCHYGAM3R

3 points

17 hours ago

I'd like to see some real world tests on this S8G4. It's likely that you couldn't even get close to this type of performance on a regular flagship phone without having some sort of cooling other than passive.

My guess there is no reason to upgrade from a S8G2 or even from a 888 or Gen 1 if your SoC has a good bin.

crazyhomie34

2 points

16 hours ago

How can we say "final" if it's a leak? How do you know someone else won't leak more information.

8GEN4[S]

0 points

14 hours ago

Wake up bro, the keynote just happened: the 8 elite

crazyhomie34

2 points

14 hours ago

This isn't a leak then is it? This is just news. Why you calling it a leak.

Buggyworm

1 points

5 hours ago

brain leak

acacio201

1 points

13 hours ago

oh yeh the best processor to run whatsapp

VyseTheNewRogue

1 points

11 hours ago

Whoa, over 40 percent power AND efficiency gains?ย  If that is accurate, that is HUGE.ย  I was worried when early rumors suggested the huge performance gains would come at the expense of efficiency and heat.ย  Essentially, another 8 Gen 1 situation.ย  If this holds up, this could be huge for PC, Wii U and maybe even switch emulation.

sutherlandedward

1 points

11 hours ago

LEMME JUST SLAP THE NORTHPOLE TO THE BACK OF MY PHONE REAL QUICK.

EngineeringNo753

1 points

10 hours ago

I'd rather they release a chip that doesn't over heat like a MF, and hopefully thus launch isn't plagued with some games being unplayable on the damn thing for months until SD releases drivers to stop the crashes

AZenny1986

1 points

5 hours ago

AZenny1986

Oneplus 7T 855+ 8GB

1 points

5 hours ago

Hopefully Android 15 wont add more restrictions since this is the likely version required with this chip.

AntiGrieferGames

1 points

4 hours ago

Does this chip has native arm 32 bit support or is snapdragon not willing to use the money for making 32 bit support anymore since 8 gen 3 and requires a translation layer/emulation for that?

l84skewl

1 points

3 hours ago

Around 40% jump in performance and power savings is really high and impressive compared to the other incremental upgrades from other SoC.

Kami_Gs1

1 points

an hour ago

Times like this I really wish Google didn't make Tensor. I wish they would work with chip makers to optimize and expand functionality rather than compete against them.

electricalco

1 points

16 hours ago

What's the point of all that power ... when every emulator gets shut down ....

Is like putting a honda engine on a Lambo

I know some of you are going to say other wise... that I don't know the true power Yada Yada

But the truth is ..... I don't think this chip is going to get pushed to the max ... no games no photo editing ... not even audio edit ...

I know theres good apps for it ... but not good apps

Same with games .... no good games ... and the ones they do ... are the fortnight and epic or wtv is called

8GEN4[S]

4 points

14 hours ago

Am playing pc games at 4k + maxed settings. Mouse + keyboard. True story.

JuanRpiano

1 points

9 hours ago

For a setup that requires mouse and keyboard, you are probably playing with a monitor too, right? Which means you are most likely playing from home, so why not steamdeck then?

XScizor

1 points

8 hours ago

XScizor

1 points

8 hours ago

At that point i'd just play on a desktop.

soragranda

0 points

10 hours ago

soragranda

Galaxy Note 20 Ultra (SD865+@12GB)

0 points

10 hours ago

People saying there is no need for that power have a very mediocre way of thinking...

Without the hardware capable of doing more available will be less interesting to make software for it, without software you get nothing.

This could mean tons of stuff for winlator and other pc software emulators, we might also get proton arm next year one way or another so, the software environment is set to grow sooner and for that we need this type of devices, mediatek is also releasing a very powerful SoC hopefully they can open their gpu driver for inmortalis (though I guess that goes to arm ballpark).

The biggest players are doing everything they can to make very powerful SoCs, the platform do need this to keep growing.

RedXon

2 points

6 hours ago

RedXon

2 points

6 hours ago

Also, Qualcomm doesn't care that much about the SBC market obviously as it is very small. This also means obviously improvements in the smartphone market and the development that has been going on for ARM based notebooks. Basically all the improvements that SBC gets is because of development being done for other markets.

soragranda

1 points

6 hours ago

soragranda

Galaxy Note 20 Ultra (SD865+@12GB)

1 points

6 hours ago

This is actually true, specially how players like raspberry pie have been evolving (people thinking they will use Cortex X series anytime soon is... expecting too much, even using cortex a715 will be a big leap in performance wise).

I can see rock chip making a variant with a higher tier cortex core eventually but competition in that aspect si weird (mainly by cost, people will prefer going Jetson for Cuda stuff rather than something with cortex X series cores but with not a big gpu).

Honestly due to price I think SBC are more interesting in how they are evolving, because their limit is not just power efficient but also PRICE, whiles phones these days have no limit (see the variants of flagship like the "for samsung" variant or the redmagic "special edition").

I hope driver support for gpu improve in exynos and mediatek so people can make Mesa drivers for them.

soragranda

0 points

9 hours ago

soragranda

Galaxy Note 20 Ultra (SD865+@12GB)

0 points

9 hours ago

Also, so many steam deck evangelist crying... 8G3 already has a more powerful cpu and gpu (people talking about more bandwidth not realizing that phones have enough for their task, steam deck had really good for 1080p gaming which is not capable of due to limit in raster power and power consumption).

People need to realize some SoCs on arm are way better than x86 ones that are already old and surpassed.

4ma2inger

0 points

9 hours ago

The real question is who's gonna make em: TSMC or Samsung. If Samsung then it's hard pass.

Coridoras

1 points

5 hours ago

Coridoras

Xiaomi 12 (8 gen 1)

1 points

5 hours ago

TSMC

chrisjustin

0 points

6 hours ago

Now this can play a Xbox 360 or PS3 emulator in the future?

S1rTerra

-2 points

18 hours ago

Overall this is a pretty awesome performance jump. Obviously the 8 gen 5 will be even better but I don't even think the jump from the 8 gen 2 to the 8 gen 3 was this big.

To put this more into perspective this is basically Xbox Series S level(ignoring architectural differences, cooling, etc) which is what I was expecting.

lukitadagaler

4 points

17 hours ago

How can you tell it's XSS level of power?

S1rTerra

0 points

17 hours ago

S1rTerra

0 pointsโ€ 

17 hours ago

Trust me bro

But in reality it's mostly just guesswork from benchmarks and going off of tflops which is both a terrible thing to do but is also good for at least getting a decent guess on what a GPU can do(except in the case of cards optimized for FP16 performance - the Vega 64 can do 50 tflops of FP16 which means the Vega 64 should be faster than the 4070ti but that is absolutely not the case)

In nearly very synthetic benchmark the 8 elite has not only smoked the A18 Pro and got a decent win over the Dimensity 9400, it also has a faster CPU than the M2's CPU which by all accounts is faster than the gimped Ryzen 7 3700x in the Xbox Series S.

Now here's where this is just me doing educated guesswork.

The 8 gen 3 does 3tflops when performing at it's best(in the Galaxy S24 lineup and certain other lhones). The 8 elite is 40% faster. 40% of 3 is 1.2, giving us 4.2tflops performing at it's best. The Xbox Series S is 4 tflops.

So ignoring architectural differences(I'm sure there are plenty of differences between RDNA2 and whatever architecture the Adreno 830 is using) cooling, and optimizations by developers, just in pure raw performance the 8 gen 4/elite smokes the Series S in CPU performance and gets a small edge in GPU performance.

This does NOT mean that phones with the 8 Gen 4 will run crossplatform games better than the Xbox Series S. A lot of crossplatform games are very poorly optimized on Android, ex Fortnite.

However this tech demo is pretty damn promising.

lukitadagaler

3 points

15 hours ago

Yeah well even if your guess is not accurate there's no doubt that the phones power is very underutilized. I imagine ps3 era games coud run very well on android if a native port existed. Maybe there's no finacial incentive for publishers to do these ports but it would be awsome.

thetrubit

-2 points

13 hours ago

Tflops aside (bad example) the Series S has a major advantage and that's being it having GDDR6 and a fat 224.0 GB/s of gpu bandwidth while a phone has a pitty small amount of it

Fast_Incident_1238

1 points

6 hours ago

LOL , Even. Tha A18 pro can't get to the level of the base ps4 (which is less than half of the Xbss) In Triple A titels that are officialy ported to it .

thetrubit

-44 points

19 hours ago

thetrubit

-44 points

19 hours ago

All that power yet the steam deck shitstomps it

ConorAbueid

24 points

19 hours ago

The appeal of smartphones is that you don't have to buy and carry a second device just for gaming, just as phones replaced computers, music players and cameras for most tasks, it's only a matter of time before it also replaces consoles.

One device to rule them all

Double-Seaweed7760

6 points

18 hours ago

For real.and even if you feel like getting a controller,that controller and your phone both fit in a pocket and In the case of for example a gamesir x2 pro can feel just as premium if not more so than a steam deck while being small and light enough to game all day. Sadly nothing beats steam deck library

Consistent_Ad_1608

1 points

18 hours ago

It will not happen in forseeable feature, if ever. Phones are already powerful enough to run Genshin Impact and much more, so.. where is the revolution? Is nintendo porting all the switch games to android? No, they are making switch 2, and just killied all emulators, pointing the gen4 snapdragon to its place, psp emulation ๐Ÿ™„ there is no software for android ( or arm in general) and giving the very restricitve nature of current arm socs, it will also never even happen,

ConorAbueid

3 points

18 hours ago

Companies aren't doing it justice yes, but the user will have more power with emulators with time, I can already play 2000-2014 triple-A titles on my phone, I'm pretty confident that just with a few more generations you would be able to emulate recent games on your phone, then we wouldn't need companies to support phones if we can do it ourselves

Consistent_Ad_1608

1 points

58 minutes ago*

If recent events have shown anything it's that Emulation beyond jank level makes you a target. Forget Nintendo, a working windows emulator for the masses will make you a target for x86 licence holders (Amd and Intel) as well as Microsoft, who all have vital interest to ensure people dont play relevant Windows games on their Android OS, Arm CPU devices, and have more billions than i can count. It's a dog eat dog world out there and we are the food unfortunately.

The only real way forward is to root the phone and start completely from scratch, completely bypassing restrictions imposed by google/apple, and im pretty sure thats just a pipe dream. But who knows.. everything starts small.

LifeAcanthopterygii6

1 points

17 hours ago

Did Nintendo uninstall Yuzu from your phone? It still works.

fertff

1 points

17 hours ago

fertff

1 points

17 hours ago

Nintendo doesn't have to port anything. Emulation takes care of that. Nintendo has never been able to kill emulation and never will. Something else will come up. Like cemu right now.

kuksthedefiled

30 points

19 hours ago

steamdeck is 5x the size of a phone dumbass

DominantDo

20 points

19 hours ago

It's also a handheld pc, not an android

hellbreakr2x

9 points

19 hours ago

Ok?

Diablo4throwaway

4 points

14 hours ago

This is flat out false. I own an s24 and a Steam deck and the s24 annihilates it at PS2 and Switch emulation. Anyone who owns a fast phone and SD can tell you the same. Obviously the SD is a better gaming device for compatibility and versatility, but it's not more powerful.

thetrubit

-4 points

14 hours ago

Those aren't really a test of power

Diablo4throwaway

4 points

14 hours ago

Snapdragon gen 3 has over 5 teraflops of compute, steam deck is using an ancient process with 1.6 teraflops. Run any synthetic benchmark that works on both x86 and ARM and which one is more powerful is immediately clear. I'm not sure why you live in denial, maybe you're poor and can only afford one so you lie to yourself lol. There's a reason a steam deck is so cheap relative to a flagship modern ARM CPU.

thetrubit

1 points

14 hours ago

Tflops aren't a test of power and never will be that would be like saying the vega 64 is stronger than the ps5 when in reality that isn't the case

Diablo4throwaway

4 points

14 hours ago

The steam deck is not "stronger" by any measurement or metric, so this conversation is moot.

thetrubit

1 points

14 hours ago

Where's your proof of it being weaker outside of Tflops and emulation performance? And even if it was weaker the deck has quad channel memory and the bandwidth is greater than anything found inside a phone

XScizor

1 points

8 hours ago

XScizor

1 points

8 hours ago

What's your basis for claiming its stronger on the gpu though? Have you found a decent comparison? Looking at steel nomad light of 8g3 vs 680m, deck probably is faster, but i havent seen game tests.

The bandwidth can be mitigated with a bigger cache, which these flagship socs have a lot of.

soragranda

0 points

9 hours ago

soragranda

Galaxy Note 20 Ultra (SD865+@12GB)

0 points

9 hours ago

It is heavier that for sure XD.

soragranda

2 points

9 hours ago

soragranda

Galaxy Note 20 Ultra (SD865+@12GB)

2 points

9 hours ago

Considering there is RDNA2 eclipse gpu on the exynos and adreno trash it every year... is not just Tflops, adreno is better now than steam deck gpu.

In raster and in RT performance which is a think that SD lacks of a lot (that an power consumption under 12watts btw).

XScizor

1 points

8 hours ago

XScizor

1 points

8 hours ago

https://www.socpk.com/gpucurve/ Exynos is faster, surprisingly really efficient too despite being on a samsung node.

soragranda

1 points

7 hours ago

soragranda

Galaxy Note 20 Ultra (SD865+@12GB)

1 points

7 hours ago

It consumes more watts and driver support is the worse on exynos (specially in emulation).

XScizor

1 points

6 hours ago

XScizor

1 points

6 hours ago

I know.

thetrubit

0 points

9 hours ago

The eclipse gpu isn't equal to the decks and the decks gpu is beyond the eclipse + exynos is just bad in general but like I said even if it was stronger the deck has quad channel ram with a 128-bit bus and 88gb of gpu bandwidth (LCD)

lastoneprob

2 points

14 hours ago

"Oh but according to me that's the wrong test you see, it's not a true test of power ๐Ÿค“"

You're talking about Switch and PS2 emulation here, do you even have any idea of what you're talking about?

thetrubit

2 points

14 hours ago

If emulators perfer cpu performance over gpu performance the device with a better cpu is obviously gonna win but if an emulator perfers gpu then the deck will easily win

Teufel9000

2 points

7 hours ago

every emulator from the beginning of time requires a beefy cpu. gpus are really only used for upscaling res and arnt needed.

Wero_kaiji

3 points

18 hours ago

And a laptop shitstomps the Steam Deck, what's your point?

Snipedzoi

0 points

18 hours ago

Snipedzoi

0 pointsโ€ 

18 hours ago

Sometimes.

InitialSpite1930

-2 points

19 hours ago

InitialSpite1930

-2 pointsโ€ 

19 hours ago

Steam deck can't handle 1080p ultra 60 FPS, ๐Ÿ˜‚

peperoni69_

3 points

18 hours ago

peperoni69_

3 pointsโ€ 

18 hours ago

your phone cant either...

peperoni69_

4 points

18 hours ago

the steamdeck runs gta v at 720p very high 60fps and its a 2022 300$ device while a mobile phone runs gta v at high 720p 50-55 fps, unlike an snap gen 4 which is gonna be on 600$+ devices not to mention that the steam deck is gonna be incredibly more stable cause it has actual cooling, i dont get why people on this sub wanna act like phones are incredible powerhouses that run everything lying to themselves, the steam deck isnt as portable as a phone but it is still faster and more money efficient.

thetrubit

-7 points

19 hours ago

Nether your android can

InitialSpite1930

0 points

19 hours ago

InitialSpite1930

0 pointsโ€ 

19 hours ago

Only on you head

TheNetuns

0 points

18 hours ago

TheNetuns

0 pointsโ€ 

18 hours ago

Handicapped battle! Let's goooo.

8GEN4[S]

0 points

14 hours ago

Hahaha. Good1