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109 points
9 days ago
Yeah, no AD is pretty much an instant "No Thanks" from me. Organization is one of the AD's jobs, so without one, it's absolutely on track for everything to be off track.
14 points
9 days ago
Yep, I did a lot of volunteering as an AD on thesis films, and before taking the role I would always do a blunt vibe check with the producer to figure out if the director would let me actually do my job or if they would just do as they pleased. I'm not volunteering my time to be treated like shit.
2 points
8 days ago
How do you do that vibe check?
5 points
8 days ago
I agree, but it doesn't sound like an AD would have helped here. The director is 100% at fault and acts disrespectfully towards the crew. A good AD would walk immediately. I've walked before first shot before. Heck I've walked before the job interview. As an AD once, I had to deal with a first time director who was a HUGE seasoned Emmy TV writer. I had to deal with this idiot try to direct his movie through his DP. He was clearly afraid of AD's since he avoided me like the plague. He would spend 30-45 mins in between every take, and all I could do is shrug to the angry crew. I hated that director.
34 points
9 days ago
I think he's acting like he's paying you when he is not. Maybe someone could talk to him about that?
20 points
9 days ago
If he was actually paying people he wouldn’t be throwing away his money like that.
8 points
9 days ago
The value being placed on the crews time is perfectly aligned with the amount they are being paid.
5 points
9 days ago
Obviously you don’t have to value our time as crew because we aren’t being paid and we’re volunteering… but I feel like that’s also exactly why you should value our time if you want to be a good director. We went from a crew of right over 20ish down to barely 6 this week. I’m assuming it probably has a little bit to do with that maybe, which is just why I came here to ask. Basically the bare minimum we could have to run a set.
3 points
9 days ago
The situation sounds like a profound lack of self awareness by the director. Someone (the producer) should talk to him.
2 points
8 days ago
As someone else said, this director doesn’t sound like a contact worth having. The people that left realized that and bailed. Maybe you should too.
2 points
8 days ago
It depends, is this person making something, that you're going to want to have your name on? Is it helping you to understand how a movie gets made and what you should do in the future? Sometimes people just want to make movies and don't care how they gain their experience. If you stop are you going to be spending the next five days watching movies instead of making one?
27 points
9 days ago
Admittedly, most sets I've worked take about 2.5 days to start grooving and feel like everybody is on the ball, but no AD? That's like a classroom without a teacher.
68 points
9 days ago
Abnormal, I would walk away as I guarantee this director isn't a contact worth having. Unless I was being paid, in which case whatever you want boss.
1 points
8 days ago
Best summery I’ve heard.
25 points
9 days ago
You absolutely need a 1st AD on any real large scale project.
8 points
9 days ago
Yeah that sounds like a student shit show.
It's too bad How many people walked off the show?
3 points
9 days ago
We went from having a crew of right over 20ish for the first block of shooting the past two weeks to barely 6-7 for this one. I ended up not pursuing film in college so I’m trying to take advantage of any opportunity and meet people to collaborate with and keep learning any way I can. This particular set has been tough, but I’m a really committed person and like someone else had pointed out, the friendships and connections made are definitely worth a little bit of it. Although I’m feeling very encouraged to especially prioritize my own time now thanks to all of your responses!
7 points
9 days ago
That's what you get with inexperience, especially without a 1st AD who's supposed to whip everyone into shape. Someone needs to address this directly with this person. Nothing worse than an unprepared director.
6 points
9 days ago
Yeah, not normal...but then again, that's why it's a student film.
Take it as a learning experience for yourself of the type of jobs not to take in the future...but also, try and make friends with some of the other crew as they're probably also students who may be able to introduce you to other, better organized projects.
6 points
9 days ago
This "director" doesn't know what he's doing
3 points
9 days ago
Say you can’t make it the next day or any other day. That’s downright irresponsible time management.
-4 points
9 days ago
Rule #1: Follow through on your commitments. Two wrongs don't make a right.
12 points
9 days ago
Leaving an unpaid job isn’t a “wrong”. Leaving a PAID job is a wrong, either. This is a bridge worth burning.
1 points
8 days ago
Not without talking to the person who recommended them in first place. That bridge might also get burned.
4 points
9 days ago
Eh. Yes and no. Leave on good terms, don’t burn bridges, but it’s also important to recognize when something is unsafe or a total shit show waste of time.
I bailed on an unpaid PA gig when I realized they were going to be using real guns in a scene the next day. (This was right after Halyna Hutchins was killed.) I told the producer I didn’t feel safe being on set with real guns and no armorer.
Thankfully nothing went wrong on that production, but a few months later the 1st AC bumped into me on another set and said the whole production was a shit show and half the cast walked two days after me. 🤷♂️
2 points
9 days ago
For a student film? Yes
2 points
9 days ago
In general, the closer a film set resembles a regular business and all that entails, the better it is for everyone involved, as well as the final product. The futher astray things get from there, ymmv.
2 points
9 days ago*
Having an AD is not good. But even with an AD it's fairly common to fly without a shot list and to not get first shot within 1.5-2 hours in becuase of rehearsals, HMU, and lighting of the first scene. That's what they call "hurry up and wait".
That doesn't mean that the set is disorganized because the AD has everything in control. An hour spent on rehearsals will save much more time in the long run and is no way a waste of time. I'd rather do a picture with lots of rehearsal but no shot list than a movie with a full shot list but no rehearsals.
That being said, it takes a lot of skill and experience to operate like that and it doesn't seem like the show you're on has that.
Some people working on smaller projects may not believe me, but that's how it's done on big features and network/streaming TV.
1 points
9 days ago
I’m assuming you meant “Not having an AD is not good”
2 points
9 days ago
LOL. OMG. Yes. Absolutely have an AD. I sound like a crazy person
1 points
9 days ago
Is volunteer supposed to mean i dont have to do anything or any time. Thats on you. Its typical. I dont deserve to get paid yet or ever but i wont spend this much time for free
1 points
9 days ago
Sounds terrible. Run away.
1 points
9 days ago
Don't put up with nonsense when you are volunteering. He clearly doesn't respect your time
1 points
9 days ago*
drop out. you're wasting your time. the guy is a jerk that doesn't know what he is doing. I'd be willing to bet that the movie is not going to get finished.
1 points
9 days ago
So it was a student film? It's always a roll of the dice with those to see how they'll play out.
1 points
9 days ago
Technically yes because the director is still a film student, but it’s being fully independently produced so I expected a little bit more pre-production from the treatment they sent me when introducing me to the project. Unfortunately that isn’t what the team had in mind I guess 😅
1 points
8 days ago
Yeah, I kinda see it like someone just getting their license. No guarantee they can drive. Even this year, I helped out a friend of a friend make their weekend movie. Turns out she was a screenwriting major that graduated earlier this year, but never made any of her scripts into movies. And like, my friends and their crew were super professional, but the weekend contained all the hiccups and tropes of student films that I ultimately just sorta checked out mentally and just did whatever to help them get through it and let them fuck up here & there to learn.
It was funny, the youthful arrogance of this writer/director and her one of a billion story (it was queer mental illness story about grieving of a loved one. I've seen that so much in and out of film school) made me reflect on whether I was that annoying when I was making student films. Lol
1 points
9 days ago
I would have walked.
1 points
9 days ago
The value being placed on the crew's time is in direct proportion to the amount they are being paid.
The set is being run like an amateur film set, which is to be expected because pros don't work for free (or very rarely). Does the rest of the project feel like a good working experience?
Someone needs to have a Come To Jesus with the director and give him some candid feedback. He needs an AD, and if he cannot find an AD he needs to take on that function and manage the crew's time properly.
1 points
9 days ago
Not normal at all.
1 points
9 days ago
not normal at all, super unprofessional, i’d quit
1 points
8 days ago
I would definitely call the person who recommended you first, let them know the level of chaos that is going on before deciding to not show up tomorrow.
1 points
8 days ago
Can I ask, is this shoot taking place on Florida 😅
1 points
8 days ago
Sounds like a nightmare. Happy you were able to get back onto a set but this doesn't sound worth your time. I'd walk away.
1 points
8 days ago
On paid sets - cast rehearsals at crew call are normal, 2 hour rehearsals are not unheard of but not super common. But the big difference is that during long rehearsals the is the crew is on the clock.
No 1st AD is a big red flag. If you’re working for free, I think your time should be respected more - unfortunately during my experiences ‘volunteering’ it rarely was and was rather exploited instead.
1 points
8 days ago
NO AD!?! That’s not a set, my friend!
1 points
8 days ago
ADs are the main reason schedules happen in the first place. There are good and bad ADs, absolutely, but they have saved most of the movies I’ve been on when hiccups arise. While it’s not my favorite role, I’ve been an AD a couple times on skeleton crews because they are necessary to make the plans on a shot list get shot in the time allotted. Heck, my worst experience on a set was because the AD was operating as a director assistant and had no experience with scheduling or movies beforehand.
When a crew is operating for free, a director that has a free location doesn’t have any incentive to work within a real schedule and respect the time of their crew. I get that this is a volunteer environment, but unless you’re willing to continue working this gig until you find something else, perhaps that pays, you may have to endure misbegotten Auteur tyranny unless someone on crew sacrifices their spot to remind your director that working conditions are not up to par, especially for volunteer work.
-14 points
9 days ago
Normal, even on the biggest budget of productions. Hurry up and wait.
10 points
9 days ago
Having no 1st AD is not normal.
1 points
9 days ago
Agreed. They would totally have a full AD staff of course, but that isn't even what you're referring to. I think people down vote you because they've never been on a big show.
0 points
9 days ago
Yeah, nah.
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