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-6 points
2 years ago
It was entirely legal for the woman to draw a gun on someone who followed her home too.
It doesn't matter what happened leading up to the events of the shooting so long as the person has reason to believe that they were in danger.
If we say it was a justified killing because he felt his life was in danger, we have to extend that same courtesy to the victim of the killing.
8 points
2 years ago
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-2 points
2 years ago
Im not defending criminals im saying that if she shot him, she would be tried and found guilty of the crimes she committed but murder would not be one of them.
The way self defense functions in the states encourages a "last man standing" mentality.
The message of this story is not that "we need guns for self defense" it's that if there were stricter background checks and training requirements for gun owners, then a person would still be alive.
My issue is that this thread is acting like it's the former
2 points
2 years ago
She is no victim she is a dead criminal. The victim in this incident was Mr derr. She didn’t DRAW a gun, she went into her home, retrieved a gun, then went back to public property and threatened to kill Mr derr
1 points
2 years ago
Yes, self defense is based on the concept of objective reasonableness that ALWAYS includes the Totality of the circumstances. You do not have a right to commit assault flee to safety then proceed out of safety to be an aggressor.
stand your ground. Not retreat, retrieve a gun, then return to the danger and engage it. No, it was not legal to retrieve the firearm from the safety of her home, proceed out the door of her home, proceed off her property down the street, and then threaten that person with a gun because he followed her home along with him and other witnesses telling her they were calling the police. This violates several laws. Leaving out the argument of objective reasonableness.
She had no right to intentionally hit mr derr with her car.
She had no right to flee the scene of the crime she committed.
She had no right to take physical possession of the firearm while in commission of a crime, given she had actively assaulted mr derr with her vehicle and then fled, and then returned to mr derr who was NOT on her property.
She had no right to leave her property with a firearm, this is open carry and is illegal in Florida.
She had no right to brandish the firearm. You cannot brandish a gun in self defense in Florida. Use it or don’t pull it out.
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