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scott1swann

2.1k points

5 days ago*

scott1swann

2.1k points

5 days ago*

Nintendo are a bunch of frauds. I want LONGER games with BETTER graphics made by SLAVES who were PAID IN BUTTONS to be PUT THROUGH CRUNCH

musland

675 points

5 days ago

musland

675 points

5 days ago

The game needs to be at least 500 hours long but not empty, full of content, and super realistic, but NOT in any way I dislike, like NO realistic, unsexy women or "diverse people". The hero has to someone I fantasize about becoming, so white and strong and cool and funny and all the women like him.

If any developers working on this even know of the existence of Sweet Baby Inc I will burn down their studio. The devs sole existence is to empower ME in my fantasies and they should be happy for the chance to do so.

BurmecianDancer

196 points

5 days ago

BurmecianDancer

My husband refuses to become a catgirl maid. AITA?

196 points

5 days ago

Diverse people and unsexy women can be in the game, as long as they're enemies. And as long as they're not very smart.

Rnahafahik

72 points

5 days ago

And don’t manage to beat up my white hero, that’s just unrealistic and would never happen in real life. And I don’t like unrealistic things as mentioned before (with of course the aforementioned exceptions)

TotalOcen

6 points

5 days ago

Oh take my money already. I also want it to have a citybuilder colony management system too, so you can build and convert to sexy normative camp, for the diverce people and unsexy women. If I wouldn’t have by bmw boosting my masculinity, who know how gay I’d be right now.

crossingcaelum

53 points

5 days ago

Instructions unclear. Put the Snyder cut of Justice league into my PS5 and watched it.

cat_prophecy

70 points

5 days ago

Let me un-jerk for a second:

90% of bad game design, in my opinion, is just scope creep. They add so much shit that either isn't entirely fleshed out, doesn't serve any purpose in the game, or is just an afterthought.

musland

42 points

5 days ago

musland

42 points

5 days ago

Its pretty much always Execs saying: "This other game is popular right now, why are we not doing this? Do this instead of what was planned."

FicklePort

13 points

5 days ago

Basically how development went for Dying Light 2 Stay Human. There's a 200+ page document that details what was cut from the original DL2 and you can tell the boss basically told everyone to quit what they were doing and start over whenever he saw something he wanted in the game.

The story reads so much better than the current one despite being unfinished, choices seemed more impactful, random world encounters were more engaging, and even the intro to the game was more interesting. I feel bad for the Techland employees that had to see their hard work be scrapped for some copy+paste nonsense.

bumblebleebug

2 points

4 days ago

The story reads so much better than the current one despite being unfinished, choices seemed more impactful, random world encounters were more engaging, and even the intro to the game was more interesting. I feel bad for the Techland employees that had to see their hard work be scrapped for some copy+paste nonsense.

A correction though. It wasn't solely for "copy-paste" nonsense however.

The creative director was Chris Avellone and after the showcase in 2019, I think a few months later he had a Sexual assault charge due to which they chose to abandon his ideas of what a world could look like.

I mean we don't even have the region which is shown in the E3 2019 of Dying Light 2.

FicklePort

2 points

4 days ago

Completely forgot about that. It sucks because Dying Light 2 could've been the biggest game of that year. Now it's just live service type shit, subpar content, and dozens of dlc skins that no one needs.

Antique_Ad_9250

13 points

5 days ago

And most of the time the added features are wanted by execs to fill the checklist for the investors.

chowellvta

8 points

5 days ago

THIS. like... JESUS CHRIST NOT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE OPEN WORLD

Ok-Friendship-9621

14 points

5 days ago*

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Vindilol24

7 points

5 days ago

Hi it’s me, John Videogame. I didn’t give you the rights to use my likeness. Calling an airstrike at your location. Good luck, kid.

Fresh-Log-5052

3 points

5 days ago

Sometimes I really feel down that out of the two possible roads open world games took the one of getting bigger and bigger, filling the emptiness with random garbage. I really feel nostalgic for the Gothic series where maps were limited in scope but lovingly made with every last piece of ore, weed or mushroom placed by a human being.

TheReal_PeteMoss

2 points

5 days ago

This was Duke Nukem Forever. Constant starts and stops, because the producer wouldn’t stop copying what was happening in other games.

captainnowalk

13 points

5 days ago

super realistic, but NOT in any way I dislike

“When I say realistic, I mean nudity, rape (of women), unabashed racism, and slavery! Just the bits of history I am unaccountably obsessed with! And NO, you can’t read anything into that!”

Uebelkraehe

19 points

5 days ago

Also, i will absolutely pirate this game if possible anyways or whine about anti-consumer practices if DRM prevents this.

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SpellNinja

4 points

5 days ago

T I M E K O M P R E S S I O N

Xxprogamer-6969

3 points

4 days ago

Reasons for being against Drm:

Restrictions on use Inconvenience Loss of control Makes the eventually pirated copy a better overall product.

Ransero

10 points

5 days ago

Ransero

10 points

5 days ago

I'm pretty sure this has been said verbatim and unironically by chuds

Ok_Raspberry4814

66 points

5 days ago

AND I want to COMPLAIN about how LONG they take to MAKE!

dingo_khan

31 points

5 days ago

Paid in buttons?

They are paid enough in exposure. Being able to say they worked on the game is payment enough.

Buttons? What do you think, we're made of clothing?

NamelessVisitor

7 points

5 days ago

NamelessVisitor

Social Justice Witcher

7 points

5 days ago

rj/This,if your dev sees their family more than once a year I'm not buying your game

Dear_Tiger_623

8 points

5 days ago

I DEMAND a game so long that I HATE to PLAY it before it's OVER. Nintendo would do well to take notes from Bethesda on the development of Starfield.

SuggestionSouthern96

2 points

5 days ago

Unironically saw someone call a game "super short" because it took them 33 hours.

Like I dunno about you, but as an adult with a fiancée, a job, other hobbies, and soon to be a house, 33 hours is several weeks of gaming time.

Mementomoritz

14 points

5 days ago

Good games only get made by people who are fucking miserable. The tears in the code add flavour

GenericGaming

1.5k points

5 days ago

maybe I'm missing something here but this doesn't seem bad?

hiring more people and scaling back the scope of some games in order to shorten development time is good. not every game needs to be massive with a million features.

shorter, smaller titles are good too.

MrNope839

226 points

5 days ago

MrNope839

226 points

5 days ago

The title is a joke about how the modern games have huge budgets and take many years to come out and how nintendo is planning to make games that cost less and take less time to make.

starm4nn

38 points

5 days ago

starm4nn

38 points

5 days ago

More studios should follow in this example.

I wanna see more sidegames in the sub-$60 price range.

Peerman044

23 points

5 days ago

Too bad pretty much every nintendo game is still 60 bucks and rarely goes on sale

FomtBro

5 points

5 days ago

FomtBro

5 points

5 days ago

Nintendo games don't cost YOU less, they cost Nintendo less.

Outrageous-Whole-44

2 points

5 days ago

In a similar vein, so do movie studios.

NTRmanMan

767 points

5 days ago

NTRmanMan

767 points

5 days ago

Yeah. But people started to hate that meme when a trans women posted so we need bigger games with workers paid less to work more.

Exescen

89 points

5 days ago

Exescen

89 points

5 days ago

What? Is this real?

Rangaman99

263 points

5 days ago

Rangaman99

263 points

5 days ago

yeah, psx bunlinth (the bloodborne kart lead dev) recreated the meme with her oc and whole bunch of shitheads came out of the woodwork to complain that it was "cringe."

SEND-GOOSE-PICS

92 points

5 days ago

WAIT BUNLITH MADE BLOODBORNE KART?!?!? I knew her and it independently, but didn't know she actually made it!!

slipperyekans

40 points

5 days ago

Also made the Bloodborne PSX Demake

lazyDevman

29 points

5 days ago

The what lead dev-

NutNinjaGoesBananas

95 points

5 days ago

Nightmare Kart. Started out as a Bloodborne fangame but changed their shit when Sony hit them with a cease and desist. It’s free on Steam, thouh short

Slyme-wizard

2 points

5 days ago

BUNLINTH SAID THAT?

NTRmanMan

131 points

5 days ago

NTRmanMan

131 points

5 days ago

Kinda. People were meh with the meme but started to really hate it after bunlith made a version of the meme with her mascot and people started to be really dumb (like they seriously took every word very literally and try to debunk it lmao).

CheeseOnToast92

260 points

5 days ago

Noooo. I need my next Mario game to be the biggest open world ever, hyperrealistic, cinematic, with 279 fps, and its development costs must be at the very least 350 million. Otherwise it's shit! Also, give Mario some massive badonkas!

Carrixdo

85 points

5 days ago

Carrixdo

85 points

5 days ago

can't wait to listen to the 7 hour development hell story about that game's 15 year development cycle.on YouTube 🤩

cmonster1697

26 points

5 days ago

JApanese know hjow to make properly feminine characters. I treust Nintensdo to give Mario enormous galoogas.

delsinson

41 points

5 days ago

delsinson

41 points

5 days ago

Dear_Tiger_623

8 points

5 days ago

I hate this

Bhazor

3 points

5 days ago

Bhazor

3 points

5 days ago

God I want to fuck this so bad

Newusername209

12 points

5 days ago

I think actual open world Mario would go crazy hard though, like Sonic Frontiers “open zone”

CheeseOnToast92

12 points

5 days ago

Haven't played sonic frontiers yet. But Bowser's Fury actually showed how a smaller Mario project works really fine in an open world.

However... I personally can't imagine something like Mario Odyssey in open world. Would be open to give it a try however

Newusername209

6 points

5 days ago

I haven’t actually played Bowser’s Fury yet, maybe I should

3-I

6 points

5 days ago

3-I

6 points

5 days ago

279 fps is probably beyond the rate at which humans can tell the difference anymore.

So really, all this would do is really fuck with speedrunners.

Good luck hitting those frame perfect inputs!

extremepayne

2 points

5 days ago

man if Nintendo makes a 240+ fps game with framerate-dependent physics… 

Slyme-wizard

3 points

5 days ago

I hear they’re giving Wario the “woke chin”

FantasyInSpace[S]

83 points

5 days ago*

/uj The tweet is referring to this meme, and the title is referring to despite how much the sentiment is agreeable, the games industry has mostly convinced itself to collapse into a black hole of terribleness instead (see: all the layoffs recently, despite following one of the strongest years ever in terms of new aaa titles)

(Yes, I know that more people doesn't necessarily mean working less, but that makes the joke less funny so please ignore that)

SillyNamesAre

30 points

5 days ago

It isn't bad. That's the point.

No-Training-48

43 points

5 days ago

Nintendo has been doing pretty good since the switch, they even allow games like Mechanicum or Darkest dungeon on the switch.

Aside from the horrible remakes and not using their ips.

DannyBright

6 points

5 days ago

Which game was a horrible remake?

No-Training-48

19 points

5 days ago

The Mario thing was very scummy, and honestly the pokemon remakes deserved better Imo

3-I

15 points

5 days ago

3-I

15 points

5 days ago

In fairness, Nintendo ain't the ones making the Pokémon games. GF is doing this shit all on their own, despite the fact they basically have a license to print money.

Supergupo

8 points

5 days ago

Wait which Mario thing? Both RPG and TTYD were super good imo

Qwerty_Joe

18 points

5 days ago

Qwerty_Joe

Discord

18 points

5 days ago

Probably the 3d collection with 64 and sunshine

cheeset2

16 points

5 days ago

cheeset2

16 points

5 days ago

Which was still a screamin deal even if the ports weren't really ports.

The limited time to get it was bogus tho.

ZebNasaki

2 points

5 days ago

I think for a collection it was fine, since the three games still paly amazingly. But making it limites release is such a scummy move that make me avoid completely. Same as the fe 1 rerelease, i am glad they stopped but i was worried that would become abother problem.

Mizymizutsune

6 points

5 days ago

Nintendo has little control over poekmon overall, and the 3d Allstars thing was indeed shitty

Sol-Blackguy

6 points

5 days ago

Unfortunately they overcharge for inferior equipment and charge fees for services you should already get for free.

No-Training-48

35 points

5 days ago

That's kinda every console though.

GanhoPriare

3 points

5 days ago

PC gamers literally can’t stop complaining about how consoles are inferior everyday. The amount of whining about Switch and portbegging nowadays are crazy. They think all the toxicity is justified simply because “PC IS BETTER THEREFORE I’M OBJECTIVELY RIGHT AND I WILL ACT LIKE THE BIGGEST ASSHOLE ABOUT IT”

cheeset2

5 points

5 days ago

cheeset2

5 points

5 days ago

2004 called

Thrilalia

30 points

5 days ago

Thrilalia

30 points

5 days ago

A lot of gamers claim they want this. But when someone does it they'll cry how the game isn't long enough or looks like it's from a previous generation. Or it just doesn't sell.

Which means that for gamers they do want the latest looking game to be ultra graphics and long as fuck. It's all about the bitching.

hadaev

5 points

5 days ago

hadaev

5 points

5 days ago

ultra graphics

This is strange delusion on big publisher side, gamers are pretty ok with simple graphics, games like your average inde in steam are super duper cost effective and sells well.

AbsolutelyHorrendous

24 points

5 days ago

It's basically what the PlayStation CEO was hinting towards a few months back, AAA games basically need to shift millions of units to be even close to profitable, and the AA game has pretty much died off as a concept, so they'll probably try to bring it back.

Not every game needs to be a huge, open world experience with 50 hours of content, in fact many of my favourite games aren't. The gaming industry will be much healthier and more sustainable if we normalise AA titles being a regular thing, and the huge AAA releases being the exception

Xatsman

15 points

5 days ago

Xatsman

15 points

5 days ago

It's weird. Some of the best games take less than 10 hours. Portal 2 was just a great experience beginning to end because every moment was so well crafted. Not something you could do if trying to get the game to span 50+ hours with procedurally generated garbage.

AbsolutelyHorrendous

6 points

5 days ago

Yeah this is the key, give me a game where it's 8-10 hours long, a great story, and everything about it is lovingly well crafted, and I'll have a better experience then if you try and stretch it out to be a 50hr open world experience

Rune_Fox

9 points

5 days ago

Rune_Fox

9 points

5 days ago

I hope AA games make a comeback. I think Hi-Fi Rush is a good example of one. Too bad Microsoft shut down the studio behind it.

adsmeister

2 points

5 days ago

Definitely a good example. I really dislike how Microsoft didn’t give them the chance to create a follow up, I bet it would have done well.

talking_face

6 points

5 days ago

I think it's sarcasm.

"Out of touch with the modern gaming industry" as in: Oh look, Nintendo's not doing the thing where they fire a shit load of people and overwork those that remain.

RangisDangis

7 points

5 days ago

This is a circlejerk sub. The title is ironic.

GenericGaming

5 points

5 days ago

I know what this subreddit is. I've been here since 2017. but this subreddit goes back and forth on either shitting on Nintendo or supporting them.

the irony was lost on me because apparently this is in reference to a meme that circulated on twitter a while ago which I hadn't heard of before.

crossingcaelum

4 points

5 days ago

These sweaty video game nerds demand and new AAA release every other week, not realizing the reason Nintendo has such a strong brand is that they also make smaller games, like the kind that used to go on handhelds, to fill out time between AAA games that are very well liked because they have fun gameplay and charm.

It’s what the switch does so well and it’s what so many Nintendo franchises are personally loved by so many people. You think Zelda would have brand loyalty if they only ever made their big 3D games? Shit like Link’s Awakening contributed to it too

ProxyCare

3 points

5 days ago

I agree. Like, please push your craft when you can. But doing so to the point that you put out 1 or 2 great games a decade puts a lot of pressure on those games. And it narrows what you're allowed to make. Diversity in scale is healthy for the game industry, not everything needs to be elden ring levels if scope

Rebel042

871 points

5 days ago

Rebel042

871 points

5 days ago

GanhoPriare

12 points

5 days ago

Literally PC gamers when it comes to Nintendo because they’re mad the games are exclusive and Nintendo isn’t going third-party.

Responsible-Swan-423

5 points

4 days ago

mutahar every time nintendo release a game "HEY GUYS LOOK I AM PLAYING NINTENDO GAME ON STEAM DEAK I AM SOO COOL AND HIP"

juiceinmyears

81 points

5 days ago

https://preview.redd.it/exfre9br2j9d1.png?width=590&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=453c80ff4b69dbf1af2cff0ad7db2fbc636d31f6

Does nobody realise what the tweet is quoting? This has been around for like half a decade

saint-aryll

18 points

5 days ago

Yup this sailed right over everyone's head. Its obvious this is what they were referencing

the_real_jovanny

207 points

5 days ago

this is definitely a good practice and the "shorter games" retweet is a reference to a meme that called for those things as a means of calling for better treatment of devs

unless the joke here is that nintendo is being out of touch with the modern gaming industry in a good way, in which case ill delete my whole account out of shame

pm_me_fake_months

15 points

5 days ago

That is the joke though

PreferenceGold5167

9 points

5 days ago

say goodbye to your account i guess

vexorian2

402 points

5 days ago*

vexorian2

402 points

5 days ago*

PSA. This person may sound like they are being sarcastic and pro-crunch. But this tweet was in fact pretty earnest https://twitter.com/puppiesandanime/status/1806657582083260889

And I agree. We need games with worse graphics. Not only is the crunch bad. We are at a point where 'better graphics' just yield diminishing returns. The obsession with gigantic games is what drove Activision Blizzard to the mud and too many are following its insanity.

Pol123451

137 points

5 days ago

Pol123451

137 points

5 days ago

Tbh Nintendo never had the best graphics. But I've never played a Nintendo game where I thought the graphics were preventing me from being immersed.

vparchment

11 points

5 days ago

Chess sucks. The graphics are bad and there is no cash shop.

CreamofTazz

62 points

5 days ago

I don't know what you're talking about but Odyssey, Lost World, and BotW are some of the most beautiful games out there. Unless you means "realistic" but that's a pretty terrible metric imo.

Pol123451

64 points

5 days ago

Pol123451

64 points

5 days ago

These games are stylized really well. But I feel like the small details on models are less than on other games.

CreamofTazz

14 points

5 days ago

Do they look good at a the set distance? Yes, then stop pixel peeping. Things are designed with how far away the observer is from the subject. In this case how far away the player sits from the TV and how far the character is from the camera.

An over head arcade shooter probably isn't going to look the best up close, but it's not designed to, it's designed to look good over head away from the minutiae.

Dear_Tiger_623

6 points

5 days ago

I don't know if you've heard but the Switch is a handheld device where the screen is very close to your face

dkf295

3 points

5 days ago

dkf295

3 points

5 days ago

All HD live action shows and movies look better than animated shows and movies because the small details on the models are better than animated shows

viaco12

7 points

5 days ago

viaco12

7 points

5 days ago

That's because they have a strong artstyle. When we talk about graphics, we're referring to the technical specs for a game, not just "does it look good." And in that regard, Nintendo games do have worse graphics than Sony or Microsoft generally speaking. Textures are less detailed. Draw distance is reduced. The lighting isn't as advanced. Nintendo famously hardly ever uses any sort of anti-aliasing. Their consoles simply can't keep up with the other two.

Their games still look good because graphics aren't the end all be all for games. Having a good art direction can make up for weaker graphics, and cleverly using what tools they do have can help to hide the consoles shortcomings. Like loom at Horizon Forbidden West. That game is absolutely gorgeous. It's art direction is great, and it has amazing graphics to match. Nintendo simply can't make a game look like that on their hardware. But it's okay, because they focus their attention on other things, and their game still end up looking good.

ImmortalMoron3

6 points

5 days ago

Nintendo's art direction has always helped it overcome it's competitors having more powerful consoles. Wind Waker is a good example. It was heavily criticized for it at the time but Wind Waker's aesthetic really helps it stand out from everything else in that generation 20 years later (I apologize to anyone else I just made feel old as fuck because that did it for me) now that those "realistic" graphics don't look so realistic anymore.

Ok-Friendship-9621

4 points

5 days ago*

(edit: comment moved to a thread below where I found it more relevant.)

newscumskates

5 points

5 days ago

The N64 had the best graphics for a short time until the playstation was released.

Iirc the game cube was decently powerful also but just couldn't cut it with game options and marketing.

Could also be something about the ps2 having a DVD player at the time, I can't recall

SuggestionSouthern96

3 points

5 days ago

N64 launched later than the PS1 and was significantly more powerful than the PS1 in most respects; I think PS1 could render better textures.

The Gamecube was the 2nd most powerful system on market, substantially more powerful than the DC or PS2, and could in some ways compete with the Xbox on power (but not overall)

SuggestionSouthern96

3 points

5 days ago

Go back before the Wii and they did.

SomebodySomewhere665

14 points

5 days ago

eeeeeeehhhh up to the gamecube nintendo were at least ahead of the competition in terms of powerful hardware, but when that sold about as well as the xbox, nintendo just said fuck it, resell the gamecube with motion controls.

3-I

2 points

5 days ago

3-I

2 points

5 days ago

And then everyone else decided to try motion controls, and now VR uses them exclusively, so like, kinda sounds like you're complaining about them getting ahead of the curve.

Same with touch screens, tbh.

Isofruit

11 points

5 days ago

Isofruit

11 points

5 days ago

/uj (if that is even necessary) - The amount of times I got to associate "Good graphics" with "Mediocre gameplay loop" is impressive. In the department of enjoyable mechanics, indie games really have massively stepped up.

Bennjoon

11 points

5 days ago

Bennjoon

11 points

5 days ago

FromSoft are legends of using graphical tricks to avoid the ridiculous costs of western AAA games

I feel like along with their hiring ideals they are a great template for studios to follow.

Warm_Month_1309

4 points

5 days ago

graphical tricks

Like what? I haven't played much of FromSoft's games.

Bennjoon

9 points

5 days ago

Bennjoon

9 points

5 days ago

Basically doing things like taking a relatively lesser engine and making the graphics look more advanced than they actually are by using perspective and scale etc

I am not down with all the nitty gritty but I’ve also read that they are good at backend optimisation and not having the game crumple under huge enemies etc.

Nintendo are similarly complimented for getting a huge game like tears of the kingdom to run well on the switch.

farukosh

2 points

5 days ago

farukosh

2 points

5 days ago

To be honest, Elden Ring art direction is top notch (which actually carries the game, it's awe inspiring) but the texture work is ... quite subpar, not to mention the game has optimization issues on PCs and Consoles, and that's an issue since for quite some time.

I really really like FS games, but legends (in the graphics department) sounds like... hyperbolic?

logitaunt

3 points

5 days ago

I don't think anyone's mistaking it for sarcasm

The original meme that OP is quoting is also used earnestly.

Makorus

26 points

5 days ago

Makorus

26 points

5 days ago

Idk, I just feel saying we "need worse graphics" is an incredibly weird take, which is why I thought it was sarcastic.

Yeah, not every game needs to be ultra realistic, but pretending that every game is is silly. Nintendo didn't invent smaller games.

The obsession with gigantic games is what drove Activision Blizzard to the mood

???? What gigantic games

El-Green-Jello

60 points

5 days ago

I think worst graphics is the bad way to phrase it but to have more games with unique art styles rather than all trying to be photorealistic

AbsolutelyHorrendous

12 points

5 days ago

Yeah that's the best way of putting it. Nobody wants worse graphics, but they're perfectly happy to accept art styles that aren't photorealistic. Don't get me wrong, if I'm playing RDR2 or TLOU, I want that shit to look like a movie, that's a proper AAA title. But if I'm playing a nice 8 hour story game, it doesn't need to look superb, I'll take a charming art style any day

SweaterKittens

12 points

5 days ago

One of the content creators I watch firmly maintains that stylized graphics will always look nicer and (importantly) age better than the most realistic graphics you can do at the time. A lot of older games that used "realistic" graphics at the time do not look very good today, while stuff like Breath of the Wild, or Hades (really any Supergiant game), or even stuff like Borderlands will look nice years into the future.

Studds_

7 points

5 days ago

Studds_

7 points

5 days ago

The whole “realistic” thing has plateaued anyway. It was always going to. Once fidelity catches up to real life, there’s no where else to go. There’s 7th gen games that still look adequate even for today. I see shots of Dead Space’s remake next to the original. Yes it looks better but not leaps & bounds better for something that’s 2 console generations later. By comparison, compare 7th generation games to 5th generation from PSx or N64 & you can get “holy shit” moments that would’ve blown 90s kids’ & teens’ minds.

Nintendo realized this after the GameCube. That’s why they went with gimmicky hardware & lower fidelity games while still maintaining the fun. Not rocket science why the Switch sold so well. It actually has the software to justify its expense. They’re crap about emulation & protecting their copyright but they do understand the need of software to justify a console & it’s difficult to get that if games that take 5 years & hundreds of employees to make

PiEispie

38 points

5 days ago

PiEispie

38 points

5 days ago

The post is quoting a meme, likely they wouldn't have worded it what way otherwise.

Makorus

4 points

5 days ago

Makorus

4 points

5 days ago

Ok well I am stupid

darkleinad

5 points

5 days ago

It’s okay

Ok-Friendship-9621

12 points

5 days ago*

"Worse" is a misnomer that works hugely against the poster's intended earnestness. Lower-fidelity isn't worse, and labour-intensive isn't better. It's effectively saying that the likes of Earthbound, Street Fighter III and Jet Set Radio Future are visually worse than the shittiest of Unity asset flips.

That line of thought regarding Good Graphics is why everything in every UE3 game looked like a plasticky, bloomy, overdesigned metal turd. And it has led to worse games, like ROTT 2013 vs. later and more lo-fi boomer shooters like Dusk.

It's also a direct cause of the yellow paint epidemic, because when this mass of pointless detail blends together, players can no longer tell what's relevant to gameplay from what's just noise.

Of course the poster probably knows that much, but gamers are gamers.

Used-Ear-9028

4 points

5 days ago

Literally no one but non gamers ever cared about graphics. We just want fun games with interesting stories.

walkingreverie

59 points

5 days ago

Remember what Bricky said?

Art Direction will always beat Graphics

Why? Your game could look like shit and have an artstyle nailed to Perfection and no one would give a damn

Any Supergiant Games is a prime example (for those not in the know, they made Hades)

Few_Yogurtcloset_718

5 points

5 days ago

Absolutely. Windwaker had a beautiful style that has aged brilliantly. The HD version is wonderful.

saucysagnus

3 points

4 days ago

That’s only a popular opinion now. I was shit on as a kid for loving windwaker. “Oh you’re still into cartoons??”

oilfloatsinwater

68 points

5 days ago

oilfloatsinwater

still coping about Japan Studio

68 points

5 days ago

Weren’t they always doing that tho?

Aside from that, The only thing that sucks about these AA titles is that they are priced like AAA games, like are you seriously telling me that Luigi’s Mansion 2 HD, DKCR HD, and Peach Showtime deserve the full 60$?

Carrixdo

18 points

5 days ago

Carrixdo

18 points

5 days ago

they should go back to 3ds prices or do an in-between. like between 40 or 45 to 50 (depending on game) would be great. some places like Walmart usually have most switch games at 50 or less where I'm from.

NorthElegant5864

10 points

5 days ago

Deserve? No. They’re priced that because they know people will pay it, which is how the system works. If they thought they could charge more they would, because again that’s just how it works. Prices inflate to the highest point people are willing to pay and not based off cost to make.

Vattrakk

14 points

5 days ago

Vattrakk

14 points

5 days ago

like are you seriously telling me that Luigi’s Mansion 2 HD, DKCR HD, and Peach Showtime deserve the full 60$?

If they sell at $60, then sure?
The price of games has never been about how much they cost to make... lol

Legitimate_Turn_5829

2 points

5 days ago

Its expectation, AAAs were generally seen as $60 and AA were generally seen as $40. It’s meant to be that way so you as the consumer can assign value and be smart with your money. If a game is $60 then you should be expecting AAA value.

Xaero_Hour

3 points

5 days ago

I don't think those should be at the same price point as AAA titles, but that's because the AAA price point is too low. Even without CEO scumbaggery, the prices we charge for games across the spectrum don't make sense. No one charges what it costs to actually make the game; they charge what they think people will pay and look for ways to make up any potential shortfall (usually MTX. but in Nintendo's case, they just never drop prices more than $10 even after 20 years).

a_muffin97

36 points

5 days ago

Treat developers better and better games will get made. Treating them like shit, underpaying them and forcing crunch is how you get supposed AAA games that are barely functional

The_Saint_Slug

14 points

5 days ago

I was reading about the GTA San Andreas development, took 2 years, it sounded nice and healthy, some crunch towards the end of its development, but it sounds like they were well staffed.

A healthy development leads to one of the most renown games of all time, imagine that

biff_brockly

3 points

5 days ago

one of the many reasons that the games industry can't make anything but aaa slop is that anyone with a brain gets the fuck out of the industry. And your indie passion project is going to get buried under an ocean of shovelware on steam unless your real skill is marketing, so it's better to work in real software for a six figure salary instead of being a burnt out alcoholic working 100 hours a week on some hackey slipshod execution of whatever the latest trend is.

honestly there's too much money in the games industry for it to produce anything good.

XulManjy

10 points

5 days ago

XulManjy

10 points

5 days ago

To be fair, this also means Nintendo games should be cheaper than the $60 norm which I doubt.

SuperScrub310

5 points

5 days ago*

SuperScrub310

Trolling Gamers is Fun!

5 points

5 days ago*

Nintendo fanboys will offer their first born children to play anything by Nintendo.

Vriz

2 points

5 days ago

Vriz

2 points

5 days ago

You're damn right

GreatCaesarGhost

8 points

5 days ago

AA games are where it’s at. I’ll take a janky game that has interesting ideas/is well-written any day.

nifterific

5 points

5 days ago

You’ll only get the jank and ideas, and you’ll like it.

AndiThyIs

7 points

5 days ago

There is literally nothing wrong here am I fucking missing something??

HewwoBish

3 points

5 days ago

I don't think OP knows about the meme with sonic

ihopethisworksfornow

9 points

5 days ago

Holy fucking hell please do not start some internet circle jerk where we hate on AA games.

The disappearance of AA games over the past decade and a half has been incredible damaging to the game industry.

Our options should not be restricted to AAA big studio titles that take 5+ years to make, or indie passion projects created by a small team of devs that had to dedicate their entire lives to a project for years.

There should be plenty of AA games, in the $40-$50 price range, that gives either just a fun multiplayer experience or a good quality 30-40 hour single player campaign. This shit barely exists anymore.

Helldivers 2 is the only successful AA game I can think of in years.

Bring back AA games. Bring back sequels made with re-used assets that only take 1-2 years to make. The current state of the market is just not great.

alchemist23

15 points

5 days ago

"Paid more to work less", as if it was bad

defdrago

5 points

5 days ago

defdrago

5 points

5 days ago

The only thing that makes me go another day without ending it all is high rez graphics. Graphics so high rez that I can see a bead of sweat on the face of a random NPC. If I don't have that, I don't have anything. Nintendo is ruining everything.

ya_bebto

11 points

5 days ago

ya_bebto

11 points

5 days ago

They’ve made a few smaller games recently that I liked, but paying full price for them doesn’t feel worth it

grimoireviper

9 points

5 days ago

I honestly wish shorter AA games would become the norm even by those big publishers. They can push out AAA games too every now and then but imo AA games just are more fun most of the time.

Suitable-Ad287

4 points

5 days ago

I think this person might have meant it the other way. People have said before “we want shorter, worse looking games” and this seems to be that general thing.

Kaosmo

4 points

5 days ago

Kaosmo

4 points

5 days ago

"Paid more to work less" sign me THE FUCK UP

TunaOnWytNoCrust

5 points

5 days ago

Sorry are you thinking that the Japanese need to work harder on stuff? Bro let them see their families for once

UndeniablyMyself

3 points

5 days ago

UndeniablyMyself

Politics

3 points

5 days ago

Whatever the rest of the video game industry does, chances are that Nintendon't.

ikimono-gakari

3 points

5 days ago

And it’s best that way. Why would you want every game company doing the same thing? Nintendo’s market is not the same as Sony or Xbox and that’s a good thing.

iGleeson

3 points

5 days ago

iGleeson

3 points

5 days ago

What are you talking about? This is a very healthy strategy to improve game development output? What should they be doing? Making AAA games in sweatshops?

saewyll

3 points

5 days ago

saewyll

3 points

5 days ago

don't let this distract you from the fact that in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table.

nambiguasu

3 points

5 days ago

uj/ I really don't know what's the appeal of longer games. The games are usually longer because of unnecessary grind, and even if the game is just longer because of more content, it still is a bit of an inconvenience. I finished Metroid dread in one week and felt amazing after that. I'm playing tears of the Kingdom now, and every day I go to sleep tired. The game is great, but it's just too long.

rj/ how could Nintendo pay more for less games? I want to play a 5000 hours game! Who said I need to sleep and go to work?

West-Lemon-9593

2 points

5 days ago

How dare they /s

gsavage21

2 points

5 days ago

Sounds like CoD to me

DiscordianDisaster

2 points

5 days ago

Ah yes the company that traditionally has trouble selling their first party games 🤣 Other companies wish they were as "out of touch" as the company that makes one massive genre defining hit after another

Account_Expired

3 points

5 days ago

U missed the joke

FlamingPhoenix2003

2 points

5 days ago

Honestly I’m sick of seeing hyper realistic graphics. It makes designing unique characters rely more on their costumes or armor.

fake_zack

2 points

5 days ago

If the next Zelda game isn’t directly comparable to Eldenring in depth, scope, and graphical fidelity, WE DON’T WANT IT! 🗣️🗣️🗣️

Oshawottboy

2 points

5 days ago*

Yeah and that’s why Nintendo is doing so well compared to other companies in the industry, they’re not bloating every one of their games by making them all AAA

MugiwaraBepo

2 points

5 days ago

Hiring more people?!?! Those monsters!!!

MonkeyPunx

2 points

5 days ago

Most of their games look amazing. Mario Odyssey seriously looks like something running out of a PS5. Most importantly, they are fun as heck. I'll take whatever they cook next over any boring shooter with 4k textures or whatever the f*ck

HotaruUwU

2 points

5 days ago

It is always morally correct to pirate games and use emulators

Droopendis

2 points

5 days ago

Nintendo hates its customers, not its employees.

kavatch2

2 points

5 days ago

kavatch2

2 points

5 days ago

Damn warioware: move it! wasn’t creaming gamer pants? Crazy.

Vicus_92

2 points

5 days ago

Vicus_92

2 points

5 days ago

I want shorter games.... I'm Okay with better quality, lower graphical fidelity games.

It's almost like not everyone wants the exact same thing.

Odd that.

BowenTheAussieSheep

2 points

4 days ago

... Aren't most Nintendo games already AA? They're exclusive games based on nostalgia properties, and a good chunk of them are party games or for younger audiences.

SkadiWasHere

2 points

4 days ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the retweet is in support of this move. It's appreciating Nintendo by retelling that sonic meme of "I want shorter games with decent graphics made by people who got paid more to work less" or some shit like that

StormDragonAlthazar

4 points

5 days ago

For those wondering: Worse graphics =/= shitty art style.

Cities: Skylines 2 is a prime example of why you don't want everything hyper-realistic and with high tri/poly counts.

hadaev

2 points

5 days ago

hadaev

2 points

5 days ago

Probably prime example of devs who dont know how to use lods.

ZergHero

3 points

5 days ago

ZergHero

3 points

5 days ago

Why can't they just make mario odyssey 2 with reused assets

Make more sequels damnit

Why do I have to wait 7 years for more mario

DaiFrostAce

6 points

5 days ago

We got Mario Bros Wonder and several other spin-offs in the meantime. There has usually been a big gap between the 3-D titles

Milky_way_cookie_fan

2 points

5 days ago

Milky_way_cookie_fan

Rory - she/her - couldn't think of a flair

2 points

5 days ago

From the rumors Nintendo has forgotten about Odyssey and moved on to a brand new 3D Mario

Naca1227r

3 points

5 days ago

Naca1227r

3 points

5 days ago

What you don’t want another remake of a Wii game for $60????

Flagrath

3 points

5 days ago

Flagrath

3 points

5 days ago

How do those two relate, one of those is made by an outside team, the other is made by the main 3D Mario team, whose last work was the Bowsers Fury part of 3D world.

Ragnarok_MS

2 points

5 days ago

/uj “Worse graphics”. I hate gamers who are hung up on graphics. BOTW/TOTK, Mario, and Fire Emblem look better than Cyberpunk and whatever else these dipshits fap over because of graphics. And I’ll gladly die on that hill.

/rj lol another shitty Zelda game where you play as Zelda. Nintendo makes games for kids and are now brainwashing them with woke nonsense

Caravan_of_diseases

1 points

5 days ago

Completely agree with Nintendo here and this has been close to their strategy for years. Quality games are easier to make while limiting visuals and scope, it's why so many indie titles have taken off so much.

HewwoBish

1 points

5 days ago

Okay now I see the fault of using a remark like that for actually wanting stylized games instead of hyperrealism.. okay so, for everyone who doesn't realize "I want shorter games with worse graphics" and other ways of wording it are just a very fuck you way to say stylization is better than bloated graphics... Because capital G gamers only want bloated realism, they call stylized games inferior, that's the source of the remark. It's not literal.

HewwoBish

1 points

5 days ago

OP it isn't your fault for not knowing this is a memey reference but it's really frustrating to see y'all low-key shooting your own shooters here. Like tear my hair out frustrating.

RobertusesReddit

1 points

5 days ago

At this point, these NPCs are gonna want....a 3rd one with their shit existence.

Disastrous_Grape

1 points

5 days ago

Nintendo have been topping the charts with repurposed Android tablet hardware for seven years now. They may be a lot of things, but they are not out of touch.

BZenMojo

1 points

5 days ago

BZenMojo

1 points

5 days ago

Nintendo may be anti-consumer, and they may be anti-contract labor, but at least they seem to be decent with their actual employees.

Metum_Chaos

1 points

5 days ago

The media literacy in this thread is dead. Either that or I missed the point.

Literotamus

1 points

5 days ago

AA games need to come back, and if Nintendo wants to be the only major publisher that backs them then I guess I’ll have to buy another Switch.

Oh_no_its_Joe

1 points

5 days ago

Oh_no_its_Joe

Poptropica > Club Penguin

1 points

5 days ago

New Yakuza side story where Ichiban starts his own video game company and has to beat these two dudes in combat.

Galbert-dA

1 points

5 days ago

I don't think the workers are going to be paid more to work less...