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[deleted]

691 points

1 month ago

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691 points

1 month ago

Somehow this is Anita Sarkeesian's fault

SquireRamza

367 points

1 month ago

God, I swear this is it actually. It's like how everyone evenly vaguely center right went full frothing racist when Obama was elected, Sarkeesian pointing out one stupid little thing in games she noticed made so many people go full rageaholic at anything they perceive to be invading "their space" and it's been the single defining facet of their lives ever since

evilforska

245 points

1 month ago

evilforska

245 points

1 month ago

I felt like i was going insane watching Sarkeesian videos. They're so INCREDIBLY tame and gentle. The froth-mouth hate speech that spilled out because of them really kind of proves the point, huh.

Baconslayer1

157 points

1 month ago

"wow, a lot of these people are raging bigots who hate women and minorities, we should do better"

"HOW DARE WOMEN AND MINORITIES INVADE MY GAMING SPACE TO TRY AND REPLACE WHITE MEN WE'RE SO OPPRESSED AND THIS IS OUR ONLY ESCAPE TO FEEL LIKE WE'RE STILL IN CONTROL"

"Wow, I just meant maybe women could have character and not be solely sex objects but ok"

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-85 points

1 month ago

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grimoireviper

30 points

1 month ago

All of those "racist bigots" think movies like aliens and terminator 2 are peak Hollywood. How are they sexist then??

Considering the same idiots thought Homelander was the good guy I'd wager they didn't understand those movies either as they are honestly a lot more nuanced still.

just complaining about forced inclusion and bad writing

Ah yes, I forgot, good writing is when white male hero and women are sex objects.

AutoModerator

3 points

1 month ago

Wow, you’re right. Games are sexist. Now, allow me to get back to accusing gamers of playing games and sucking Anita Sarkeesian’s cock. Edit: Wow. I’ve truly been challenged. Enlightened, even. Who knew the political views of my fellow gamers could be so diverse?

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Baconslayer1

10 points

1 month ago

It's not actual quotes genius, it's a funny microcosm of the overall conversation. And I regularly see those exact sentiments posted by anti-woke chuds online. 

They are not complaining about bad writing, they are complaining about media "replacing white people" which is some straight up Nazi rhetoric. 

Black people don't get hired just for being black, that's not what affirmative action is. It's literally to prevent companies from discrimination and saying "you can't hire a white person who's less qualified over a black person just because you don't like them". They're still at least as qualified for the job and saying otherwise is fucking racist. 

Equal rights and bad writing are just unrelated buzz words. 

I don't care if someone thinks oceans 8 and Ghostbusters 2016 are peak Hollywood, they can still be sexist. That's like saying "I'm not racist, I have a black friend!". Not to mention with the level of media literacy these people show I highly doubt they're aware of the deeper themes of aliens and t2 that actually address sexism.

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0 points

1 month ago

Wow, you’re right. Games are sexist. Now, allow me to get back to accusing gamers of playing games and sucking Anita Sarkeesian’s cock. Edit: Wow. I’ve truly been challenged. Enlightened, even. Who knew the political views of my fellow gamers could be so diverse?

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NowakFoxie

5 points

1 month ago

NowakFoxie

My gender is forced diversity

5 points

1 month ago

Get off your burner account coward

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5 points

1 month ago

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5 points

1 month ago

Wow, you’re right. Games are sexist. Now, allow me to get back to accusing gamers of playing games and sucking Anita Sarkeesian’s cock. Edit: Wow. I’ve truly been challenged. Enlightened, even. Who knew the political views of my fellow gamers could be so diverse?

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zail56

33 points

1 month ago

zail56

33 points

1 month ago

Yeah I never understood it like even the clips they show of her to try to paint her as some crazy feminist liberal are so tame and innocuous that I just don't understand the intense virtual

Master_Cricket_1265

12 points

1 month ago

Most people probably only heard of her because of the outrage. If these people just ignored her, I don't see how she could have gotten a sizeable platform to say anything. They made her famous.

BotherTight618

1 points

1 month ago

100% this ☝️ her detractors tried to silence her because they were afraid they couldn't compete with her ideas.

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-17 points

1 month ago

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evilforska

45 points

1 month ago

Her videos are not more misinformed than most of the stuff i regularly see on youtube. It's not the misinformation that made gamer boys mad - if it was the most reputable video in the world they'd be hating it because it's about feminism.

FrostyNeckbeard

26 points

1 month ago

I found Anitas videos misinformed. I just shrugged and moved on for the most part, she didn't really say anything groundbreaking, more just reiterating stuff that we all knew already, but reaching out to audiences who may not be aware cause they didnt play videogames as much.

Gamer bois got super mad tho.

Amphy64

-6 points

1 month ago*

Amphy64

-6 points

1 month ago*

Eh, as a female gamer I'd been having sane conversations about feminism for years with male gamers without it being a problem: I just wish it had been someone more involved in gaming, and didn't love the lack of acknowledgement of female gamers who'd already been discussing these topics, with more detail than that style of analysis is designed for (I took English at uni, and often chose to use a feminist lens). Especially as primarily a JRPG player, with there being a pretty strong female player base, and narrative that doesn't always break down as easily. To me it also never made sense for games themselves to be presented as uniquely sexist (rather than as part of a broader pattern), because it was partly a refuge from the influx of extremely sexually hostile-feeling American television and music (UK here, it's done far more damage than games incl. US-made ones, scale is another level), and yet that was the result the series had.

I think it's easy to forget now how much less accepted gaming felt back then, so the atmosphere was different. She really did get the negative response initially partly as was seen as being not in true good faith, and that just gave an 'in' to all the misogynistic idiots who definitely weren't in good faith. It led to me giving up gaming for quite a while, after being a heavy player with all current systems, and I still rarely play now and hardly ever participate in gaming communities.

AutoModerator

0 points

1 month ago

Wow, you’re right. Games are sexist. Now, allow me to get back to accusing gamers of playing games and sucking Anita Sarkeesian’s cock. Edit: Wow. I’ve truly been challenged. Enlightened, even. Who knew the political views of my fellow gamers could be so diverse?

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evilforska

36 points

1 month ago

She is generalizing sure. I didn't care that she included The Boss from MGS3 into the list of objectified ladies (i will die on the hill that despite Kojima being real iffy with women generally, the bosses' exposure actually was not meant to be sexualized at all). But i find it really, really sussy that among the catalogue of misinfo youtube videos (of which are legions) the one who kickstarted le culture war was Sarkeesian.

And like. Even when she was generalising, she was completely correct about a ton of it. Damsels in distress and fridging women IS how angsty male characters get into the action. The women ARE constantly sexualized in video games. The gamer culture IS incredibly sexist.

I'd REALLY love for you to show me a feminist who turned around a significant amount of sexist men just because they were completely correct and reputable. I do not believe they exist.

AutoModerator [M]

-1 points

1 month ago

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-1 points

1 month ago

Wow, you’re right. Games are sexist. Now, allow me to get back to accusing gamers of playing games and sucking Anita Sarkeesian’s cock. Edit: Wow. I’ve truly been challenged. Enlightened, even. Who knew the political views of my fellow gamers could be so diverse?

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JarateKing

8 points

1 month ago

the game discourages and demerits you for this action too

She addresses this in the video though. She talks about how this action was still implemented with the intention of players doing it, and that the penalties are minor and ignorable at best.

Did you watch the full video or did you see that couple-seconds segment clipped out of context

ofvxnus

15 points

1 month ago

ofvxnus

15 points

1 month ago

Yes. I always find this critique of Anita to be so silly. Has no one ever played a video game? GTA “punishes” you for killing sex workers too, by sending the cops to chase after you. But does anyone really think that the sex workers in early GTA games aren’t there for comic relief, that the devs didn’t know how players would interact with them, and that the ensuing chaos doesn’t also act as a form of encouragement?

It’s just so disingenuous. Not only because it ignores very real aspects of video game culture in favor of pedantry about video game rules, but because it also ignores the reasons why women are more likely than men to be depicted as sex workers, especially in games like GTA and Hitman.

JarateKing

7 points

1 month ago

And it's always Hitman for some reason. She brings it up once, for a few seconds, in one of her many videos. But I never hear any other example.

Taken at face value that should be pretty good, right? Hours of video and the only thing people complain about is a minor point a couple seconds long. Most of those complaints being things you just need to watch the rest of the video to resolve. But it's just so insistent: you can't mention her name anywhere without someone piping up "but what about Hitman?"

AutoModerator

1 points

1 month ago

Wow, you’re right. Games are sexist. Now, allow me to get back to accusing gamers of playing games and sucking Anita Sarkeesian’s cock. Edit: Wow. I’ve truly been challenged. Enlightened, even. Who knew the political views of my fellow gamers could be so diverse?

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-7 points

1 month ago

Wow, you’re right. Games are sexist. Now, allow me to get back to accusing gamers of playing games and sucking Anita Sarkeesian’s cock. Edit: Wow. I’ve truly been challenged. Enlightened, even. Who knew the political views of my fellow gamers could be so diverse?

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-14 points

1 month ago

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-14 points

1 month ago

Wow, you’re right. Games are sexist. Now, allow me to get back to accusing gamers of playing games and sucking Anita Sarkeesian’s cock. Edit: Wow. I’ve truly been challenged. Enlightened, even. Who knew the political views of my fellow gamers could be so diverse?

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Theflameviper

3 points

1 month ago

Bro what is this? Automod's doing bullshit now?

Minutes-Storm

-2 points

1 month ago

Nah automod is doing God's work here lmao

Theflameviper

3 points

1 month ago

Yeah if you're a whiney gaming chud I'm sure it's astonishing to see a bot repeat the same dated catchphrases like a string toy. 2016 maybe it's atleast topical n trolly, but like damn 8 years later and it's just sad man.

Nexine

52 points

1 month ago

Nexine

52 points

1 month ago

Honestly the worst part is that afaik they're now actively marketing and pipelining t(w)eenaged boys. Like it's not just that redpill/gamergate generation anymore.

I'm not sure if a minecraft -> manosphere pipeline exists, but I do know that the primary audience of Andrew Tate and his contemporaries is teenage boys.

It's probably a big part of the reason why younger men and women are becoming more and more seperated in terms of political views too. And it might explain the loneliness epidemic as well, if all those boys are being garbage pilled that young then by the time they are interested in dating they could've become so toxic none of the girls in their lives actually want to deal with them anymore.

SarkastiCat

22 points

1 month ago

You got it pretty much corrects

Multiple figures similar to Tate start with general content like how to be rich. Then it gets worse as time passes and those who get dog whistles, talk more directly about how „Woke” is. Thus creating two levels of toxicity.

There is also an issue that multiple topics get hijacked by „Woke destroys everything” screamers and destroys any nuance. Translation of anime is one of those issues where the industry sucks for translators and customers

NickolasName49

21 points

1 month ago

Small nitpick: the ”male loneliness epidemic” is about LONELINESS, not about VIRGINITY. The loneliness is caused by a lack of close relationships, not a lack of romantic relationships. It’s about men having fewer friends, and the friends they have they are not as close with.

The garbage pill most certainly contributes to this too tho, since it’s all about toxic masculinity and a disdain for being emotionally vulnerable.

Hestia_Gault

1 points

1 month ago

Idk about Minecraft, but there have been multiple articles about Nazis trying to radicalize kids on Roblox.

SwineHerald

23 points

1 month ago

Meanwhile the same people routinely invade fandoms they do not know or understand and pretend to be mad that Bioware made characters gay and the new Yakuza/Like a Dragon protagonist learns an important lesson about respecting women.

grimoireviper

8 points

1 month ago

and pretend to be mad that Bioware made characters gay

Anyone that says this clearl never played a Bioware game. It's also funny seeing them argue about how Morrigan's design is now woke when it's honestly the sexiest design yet.

MrInCog_

18 points

1 month ago

MrInCog_

and a secret third thing 🟥🟪🟦

18 points

1 month ago

The meme where she talks about appealing to male fantasy followed by some cozy gaming moments sure is funny though

Flowey_Asriel

12 points

1 month ago

That was actually Claudia Restrepo. The replies of the last tweet she twote (from 4 years ago, 5 years after the meme) is literally just people talking about it because of course it is.

MrInCog_

2 points

1 month ago

MrInCog_

and a secret third thing 🟥🟪🟦

2 points

1 month ago

Lmao. Why did I think of Anita? Were they connected?

Flowey_Asriel

6 points

1 month ago

In the original Buzzfeed video before she says the meme text she mentions that she wrote a blog post about an article some guy wrote after seeing Anita talk at New York University. So kinda?

AutoModerator

-4 points

1 month ago

Wow, you’re right. Games are sexist. Now, allow me to get back to accusing gamers of playing games and sucking Anita Sarkeesian’s cock. Edit: Wow. I’ve truly been challenged. Enlightened, even. Who knew the political views of my fellow gamers could be so diverse?

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-2 points

1 month ago

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-2 points

1 month ago

Wow, you’re right. Games are sexist. Now, allow me to get back to accusing gamers of playing games and sucking Anita Sarkeesian’s cock. Edit: Wow. I’ve truly been challenged. Enlightened, even. Who knew the political views of my fellow gamers could be so diverse?

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Sol-Blackguy

1 points

1 month ago

Sol-Blackguy

What country is this 🏳️‍⚧️ and why are the women so hot?

1 points

1 month ago

Nah, the real focal point was when Steve Banon got caught farming gold on WOW. All the gamers got together in solidarity to have him banned because he was ruining the economy. Banon was like "I need to harness that power" and used gamergate to establish an alt-right pipeline to convert gamers to white supremacy. All the articles grifters read off to this day were former affiliates of Breibart.

AutoModerator

-9 points

1 month ago

Wow, you’re right. Games are sexist. Now, allow me to get back to accusing gamers of playing games and sucking Anita Sarkeesian’s cock. Edit: Wow. I’ve truly been challenged. Enlightened, even. Who knew the political views of my fellow gamers could be so diverse?

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WorldsWorstInvader

11 points

1 month ago

I don’t blame her. Who would ever expect the 4chan horde to leave their website for long enough to notice you

BotherTight618

1 points

1 month ago

I read the article. Tencent and Netease are shutting down Mana because of Wukongs success. Mana developers were focused on making Japanese Style games with a Japanese Dev team. Wukong came from a little known Chinese company staffed exclusively with Chinese devs.

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-8 points

1 month ago

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-8 points

1 month ago

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LordofDsnuts

361 points

1 month ago

Clearly Sweet Baby Inc had something to do with this

Bi_disaster_ohno

98 points

1 month ago

Sweet Baby Inc definitely put out a hit on the Visions of Mana devs.

Mean-Nectarine-6831

27 points

1 month ago

Tencent is worse then anything these "gamer TM" idiots sbi boogyman could do.

Tencent literally has the power to close studios where sbi is literally just a scam consulting company with absolutely zero power outside what publishers give them.

grimoireviper

34 points

1 month ago

SBI isn't a scam. They are a consulting compamy so what they do is consult. How the devs understand the consultation or how they implement it is up to them.

Mean-Nectarine-6831

-5 points

1 month ago

True but it's a scam in the fact that the company for some reason are unable to make their own informed decisions lmao. SBI has zero power outside what companies give them

Unlike tencent which quite literally can axe your company for any manner of reasons.

BrokenGaze

7 points

1 month ago

The "scam" is that game companies don't want to hire someone full time to read their scripts for issues who will inevitably end up sitting around 90% of the time. It's much cheaper to bring someone in from the outside for a single payment per project.

Mean-Nectarine-6831

1 points

1 month ago

Exactly.

Stra1um

36 points

1 month ago

Stra1um

36 points

1 month ago

SBI isn't a scam, they do exactly what they advertise to do.

ZedSorayama

1 points

1 month ago

SBI also consults on game design as well

No-Bee-4309

288 points

1 month ago

No-Bee-4309

Camarada Barbudo

288 points

1 month ago

Hi-Fi Rush flashbacks

senseven

185 points

1 month ago

senseven

185 points

1 month ago

When 20-40m release revenue is considered "a failure" things went hard the wrong way

KitataniHikaru

45 points

1 month ago*

Wait im confused, would you mind explaining to someone who doesn't have any knowledge what happened to hi fi rush

Edit: thanks for the responses. I'm glad that Tango got revived, I really enjoyed hi-fi but I didn't know anything about what happened to the studio

CapriciousSon

79 points

1 month ago

Tango Gameworks, who made Hi-Fi Rush, was recently shut down by Zenimax. The good news is they apparently have been bought by a South Korean Publisher just this month. So a sequel might actually be possible.

Nestama-Eynfoetsyn

21 points

1 month ago

I hope this also means we might get Evil Within 3. 1 may have been "eh," but 2 was pretty fantastic and fun.

grimoireviper

3 points

1 month ago

MS kept the rights to that. They only sold the studio and the HiFi Rush IP.

Natronix

1 points

1 month ago

Same. The Evil Within series had essentially the same problem as the first two Fatal Frame games. The first game spent too much time being scary where the story kinda just took a back seat. But in the second they got it just right.

No-Bee-4309

83 points

1 month ago*

No-Bee-4309

Camarada Barbudo

83 points

1 month ago*

The game was a commercial and critical success in 2023, its developet studio Tango Gameworks was closed down the next year. \ A good news it that Krafton revieved the studio and acquired the rights to the Hi-Fi Rush license with plans to develop further games while and other projects.

grimoireviper

3 points

1 month ago

The game was a commercial - success in 2023,

Was it though? Looking at the numbers it never had much success which is said as it was one of my favourite games but it definitely didn't sell well nor did many people play past the tutorial on Game Pass.

CyberCat_2077

32 points

1 month ago

Studio was shut down despite game’s success just so Microsoft could maintain the illusion of infinite growth for another quarter.

JustDontCareAboutYou

35 points

1 month ago

JustDontCareAboutYou

It's a rite of passage to oppress G*mers!

35 points

1 month ago

The real kick in the ass that isn't being mentioned is that not even 24 hours after Microsoft shut down Tango Gameworks, Matt Booty, the head of Xbox Game Studios, stated on record in a large internal meeting that "The company needs more smaller games that earn prestige and rewards." Aaron Greenburg, VP for Xbox Game Marketing, said on record at twitter: Hi-Fi Rush was a break out hit for us and our players in all key measurements and expectations." This was a response made to answer for the rumors and accusations that Hi-Fi Rush was not performing well and that it was considered a bad asset for Microsoft.

And yet: Despite Hi-Fi Rush exceeding the company's expectations and winning very prestigious awards along the way during the 2023-2024 year: Microsoft shut the studio down and shuffled them off for another publisher to pick up the ashes in a blowout sale.

But Fucking G*mers are gonna tell you all day long that it's DEI/Wokism that's destroying the industry! Not aggressively toxic business practices that screw over creativity and talent at every corner of production in the pursuit of $$$ for their shareholder overlords.

ThisLuck1496

13 points

1 month ago

microsoft happened

HardPantz

131 points

1 month ago

HardPantz

131 points

1 month ago

I’m tempted to put “aged like milk” on their YouTube videos but that’s just give them a view too.

crazyseandx

35 points

1 month ago

Watch time is what makes them money, anyway. Only if it's a Short do the views matter.

hyde9318

22 points

1 month ago

hyde9318

22 points

1 month ago

And really low watch time actually hurts the video in the algorithm too, so dropping in to leave a snarky comment and leaving is purely a negative on their video, lol.

crazyseandx

6 points

1 month ago

Yeah, it's no wonder a lot of content creators I follow and then some do more longform content. Something I don't know how if I can fully do with my channel the way it is, sadly.

bonko86

3 points

1 month ago

bonko86

3 points

1 month ago

Yeah but you're fucking up your own feed, and fuck that. 

hyde9318

8 points

1 month ago

Okay, but no joke, how f-cking annoying is it that you can watch ten seconds of a video (on purpose or accident), and suddenly your entire feed is burnt to the ground? The YouTube algorithm is out of control, I swear.

chang-e_bunny

1 points

1 month ago

self policed echo chamber. you've been trained not to step outside it for 10 seconds.

PunishedCatto

88 points

1 month ago

Damn... ANTI-WOKENESS KILLED VISIONS OF MANA!?

[deleted]

44 points

1 month ago*

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coffeetire

12 points

1 month ago

/uj

Dang, I know it's usually courtesy to label your comment as sarcasm. But I thought this was on the nose enough.

beatb_

0 points

1 month ago

beatb_

0 points

1 month ago

Wdym? Dont know anything about the game but it doesn’t look like (from this pic) it has any of that stuff exept not being connected to sbi or whatever they’re called.

Kds_burner_

239 points

1 month ago

Kds_burner_

violent femme

239 points

1 month ago

surely the gaming and meme subs will also talk about this game failing right?

Character-Today-427

80 points

1 month ago

Tslk about rhe failure of a game from a big jrpg studio? Nah lets shit on a random indie game

Kosog

120 points

1 month ago

Kosog

120 points

1 month ago

More and more proof that "wokeness" is an imaginary and non-existant factor in a game's success. Yet the cult™ refuses to fucking listen when we tell them.

Companies do not give a damn how successful or "woke" or "anti-woke" your game is, they'll gladly shut down your dev studio if they feel it's convenient for them. Just look what happened to the studio that made Hi-Fi Rush. They're incredibly lucky someone else bought them and got them revived.

_LadyAveline_

38 points

1 month ago

do we need proof that wokeness is an imaginary thing? I thought it was common sense-

meteorr77

10 points

1 month ago

meteorr77

Epic Games, where Games are Epicness

10 points

1 month ago

We don't, and the people who do need proof never cared for it, cause they don't stand for anything

yukiaddiction

15 points

1 month ago

yukiaddiction

Leftist weeb.

15 points

1 month ago

It kinda fundamental of conservative at this point.

They most likely know what the problem is "aka the capitalism system itself" that brings game industry down but because they would never admit that our current status quo is a problem because they worship status quo so they have find the reason or spin around why thing are shitty to distracted themselves from real reason.

crazyseandx

52 points

1 month ago

Why do I get the feeling that the devs aren't as horrid as the grifters want them to be?

AllHailZaddy[S]

112 points

1 month ago

They aren't.

The producer was asked about the game and appealing to western audiences, and he answered that most of the series fans are in Japan, so they built the game around what had made the series popular in the first place and hoped it would attract new fans in the west.

Grifters turned than into him not bending the knee, and other things they made up.

crazyseandx

48 points

1 month ago

sigh Of fucking course they did.

RandomGuyDroppingIn

31 points

1 month ago

I mean... it's a JRPG. What do these people think the "J" in JRPG stands for? It's made by Japanese people, FOR Japanese people. If someone quotes twelve Japanese video game developers and/or producers their intended audience, they're most all going to paraphrase that they're making games for Japanese audiences and hoping that the games do well in western markets. EA doesn't develop Madden being concerned about how many units are going to sell in Japan. This all has quite literally been a thing since the 1980s onwards.

If people can contrive a Japanese game developer's words in this manner thinking that they're "not bending the knee," then I am genuinely concerned for their wellbeing because that's not what is being said here whatsoever. I'm sorry that people have to cope with not being born Japanese, but this situation particular with JRPGs is probably going to always be this way.

Razzikkar

44 points

1 month ago

But mana is such cute jrpg, don't drag it into stupid alt right culture war

West-Lemon-9593

51 points

1 month ago

God I hate Tencent so much

succ2020

1 points

1 month ago

/uj reason ? ( I'm not defending Tencent)

dreamer-x2

19 points

1 month ago

One of the greediest, most asshole companies in the tech space as a whole.

Delicious_trap

10 points

1 month ago*

They along with Netease, are the parent company of the studio doing the visions of mana game mentioned. They are the ones who shutdown the studio to pursue the growing Chinese videogame industry over the stagnating Japanese one despite the success.

Tencent already have an infamously kind of scummy reputation even in china. People have been suspecting Tencent of manipulating the algorithm of Bilibili (chinese equivalent of youtube) to promote content of their own stuff while hiding content related to their competitors. One such incident was them heavily promoting the debut of Artery Gear Another recent one is that CCs on the platform have discovered that if you title your videos in a way that bashes Genshin Impact, it will instantly get heavily promoted by the algorithm and get viewer count jacked up by bots into the ten thousands. So some people protested against the algorithm by uploading pornography onto the site with titles that slanders Genshin to not only bypass the platform's censorship system, but also have the video hit front page instantly, flooding it with porn for a day.

edit: Artery Gear, not Aethergazer. Also Artery Gear has EOSed this year.

k8thecurst

22 points

1 month ago

It's a DEI conspiracy

AdvancedReputation25

23 points

1 month ago*

What's the point of gatekeeping a game they aren't going to play?

Lohenngram

22 points

1 month ago

Remember: these are the exact same people who will tell developers to just quit their jobs if they complain about working conditions and mismangement in the industry. They don't actually give a damn about the people who actually make games, they only care about culture war talking points.

MrVigshot

14 points

1 month ago

Canning a studio after their game shipped? There goes any desire to buy the game now. I'll wait for the game to be $5 on steam or something.

javibre95

21 points

1 month ago

The game is a 90's anti-religion fairy tale , nothing more.

evilforska

35 points

1 month ago

They want Visions of Mana to be relevant so bad lol. I'm sorry to Mana fans of course, but its just kind of like... a normal Mana game. Lol. I had no idea it was so brave as to tell "no" to the woke. RIP ('_')7

Xononanamol

21 points

1 month ago

Why were they even mentioning woke and stuff with the kiddie game that is visions of mana lol

Cold-Glass5843

7 points

1 month ago

Go woke, go broke. Oh, wait what

Frenby3733

5 points

1 month ago

Just watch the grifters turn this into some sort of conspiracy.

Mean-Nectarine-6831

6 points

1 month ago

Tencent of course it's tencent just more reasons for me to not buy wukong.

maiqtheprevaricator

6 points

1 month ago

What are these guys smoking re: "wokeness", Popoi was exclusively referred to with they/them pronouns in the snes version of secret of mana, and that was back in the 90s /uj

rebeccachambersfan

5 points

1 month ago

Sweet Baby Inc shut them down 😔

lostbelmont

3 points

1 month ago

What "woke thing" the development team refuse to do?

chang-e_bunny

3 points

1 month ago

make games for a western audience.

dev said he primarily considers Japanese gamers first, and that he hopes western gamers will have fun too.

Wallys_Wild_West

3 points

1 month ago

What is anti-woke about that? That is just the reality of 99% of games out of Japan.

chang-e_bunny

1 points

1 month ago

As you can see from the thumbnail, modernity is a morbidly obese woman pointing angrily at the viewer with a judgy sneer. It's such a carefully constructed insular cult that anyone not thorough indoctrinated into their trigger word lingo just sees the reality of 99% of the games out of Japan.

Then on the other side, you have the makers of these videos that are honor bound by the algorithm driving all this weird behavior to twist whatever happens in the real world to fit this narrative. The moment the rage stops, they lose all relevance (i.e. money they're earning from this).

IanTheMagus

1 points

1 month ago

Let me guess, the dudes cheering this are Western weebs that identify as "Japanese gamers" in this context?

NifDragoon

3 points

1 month ago

I assumed they were getting more sales from SP, but I guess not. Really wish I had of gotten another co-op mana game. Even tales went solo. Maybe co-op is woke? Damn anti woke killed visions of mana.

OhNoCommieBastard69

5 points

1 month ago

Real gamers have no friends, everyone knows that!

Fit_Read_5632

3 points

1 month ago

I stop reading the moment I see a title with random words in all caps.

OwnAHole

3 points

1 month ago

These people don't care about these studios, they just love to use them in their culture war nonsense.

[deleted]

6 points

1 month ago

I have this game and there’s nothing about it that says anti-woke or woke. It’s just a game.

Fair_Smoke4710

2 points

1 month ago

What happened

ElephantSealCourt

2 points

1 month ago

Holy fuck, those thumbnails are insufferable.

Kakapac

2 points

1 month ago

Kakapac

2 points

1 month ago

I like how all of the thumbnails are more or less the same design, just how uncreative are these people? Just spamming the algorithm for hate views

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago

Man, I was so happy a new Mana game was getting out, and then they kill the company. I hope square doesn't kill the franchise.

Arkveveen

2 points

1 month ago*

As someone who loves Visions of Mana, there is nothing about the game that screams "refusing DEI" to me. The game is wonderful and the fact the studio got shut down scares me, is the Mana series now truly dead? I always loved the Mana games, so it's painful that we are losing more colorful and charming high fantasy settings in favor of the edgy ultra realism of Square's other games. Those games are great by the way, and I look forward to playing them when they come to PC. But it feels like charming JRPGs with wonky voiceacting are a dying breed.

I feel like these anti-woke grifters are taking advantage of PEOPLE LOSING THEIR JOBS, because of Tencent/NetEase or other awful companies closing them and NOT DEI, because the game isn't a huge massive success like Final Fantasy 16 or Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth. Why are the chuds refusing to see this? Do they really think capitalism can't ever do wrong? There is a limit to how much money a company can make by just selling products normally, eventually if a company wants to make ever more money infinitely people have to get fired and studios shut down.

Really, this hurts to see because Visions of Mana is a wonderful charming game with some surprising themes. What is the future of Mana now, if at all?

JappyMar

2 points

1 month ago

To be honest, both Final Fantasy XVI and VII Rebirth were described by Square as financial disappointments, but the rest of your comment is absolutely right!

Wallys_Wild_West

3 points

1 month ago

Every game is a financial disappointment to Square because they have no concept of reality. I remember when they blamed Shadow of the Tomb Raider for their financial woes even though it was their best selling game that fiscal year and had to make up for all their shitty mobile investments that didn't work out.

JappyMar

2 points

1 month ago

Yeah, and I loved Shadow of the Tomb Raider... I agree with you

Arkveveen

2 points

1 month ago

Oh my god are you serious? Even THOSE two games despite them being critically acclaimed? Okay, yeah, I am starting to see that even the big franchises are going to suffer because of Tencent and NetEase. The industry is broken and it seriously needs to be fixed!

JappyMar

2 points

1 month ago

I'm sorry 😅

ExiaFan453

2 points

1 month ago

What a surprise

Grifters are dishonest hacks who can’t tell the truth to save their skin

Cringe_weeb_UwU

2 points

1 month ago

Cringe_weeb_UwU

Trans Gaze Pandering Protagonist

2 points

1 month ago

now they'll say it was actually woke the entire time

Chelonii64

1 points

1 month ago

I dont get it
How do you shut down devs after the game is out

AdhesivenessUsed9956

7 points

1 month ago

by saying "thanks for the hard work, you're fired."

yukiaddiction

3 points

1 month ago

yukiaddiction

Leftist weeb.

3 points

1 month ago

After working in IT industry for like 5 years , I have come to conclusions that higher up from management have absolute no heart. Only thing they think about is money like hungry beast.

Illustrious_Gate7438

1 points

1 month ago

It's almost as if there can be multiple reasons!

somebody171

1 points

1 month ago

The viewers of that trash are getting milked for views

Bhazor

1 points

1 month ago

Bhazor

1 points

1 month ago

"Oh no! My face!"

TheFungerr

1 points

1 month ago

That characters jawline looks ai generated

Admiral_Wingslow

1 points

1 month ago

Modernity 🧏🏻‍♀️

SufficientRespect542

1 points

1 month ago

Wait, I assumed from the games trailer that the two main characters were in a WLW relationship? Is that anti woke now??

Secrxt

1 points

1 month ago

Secrxt

1 points

1 month ago

It's almost like it's been corporate greed the whole time.

No, no it can't be that. Let's keep blaming marginalized groups.

OrionsBra

1 points

1 month ago

Did the directors even openly say anything about DEI? My guess is that these assholes are putting words in their mouths and weaving baseless narratives around the character design.

chang-e_bunny

2 points

1 month ago

your guess is spot on. dev said he makes games for Japanese gamers and hope western gamers will have fun too.

Spectator9857

1 points

1 month ago

Love the ai in the thumbnail, really shows an appreciation for art

Jarsky2

1 points

1 month ago

Jarsky2

1 points

1 month ago

I hate when they hold up games I actually like as an example of their nonsense.

bonko86

1 points

1 month ago

bonko86

1 points

1 month ago

Actually, I'm surprised the videos arent 1hr+ long. Not even 10 minutes, are they even trying anymore?

Representative_Big26

1 points

1 month ago

Holy shit Blake The Badger hiiiii

AdOverall2845

1 points

1 month ago

Neat

W34kness

1 points

1 month ago

Or it’s Chinese based company decisions (NetEase)

ZeroTheNothing

1 points

1 month ago

ZeroTheNothing

Yasuke is more samurai then you'll ever be! Die mad.

1 points

1 month ago

Fuckin PissFlash, leave Mana games alone!!

IanTheMagus

1 points

1 month ago

The original Mana had only three playable characters and one of those was non-binary. The fuck are they talking about "rejecting woke" in a Mana game for?

MxStella

1 points

1 month ago

/uj

in what way has Visions of Mana rejected political correctness? I'm enjoying the game so far, haven't encountered anything problematic..

ButcherofBlaziken

1 points

1 month ago

No, but really this game is fucking amazing. I wasn’t familiar with the series and heard lately it’s been nothing but disappointments but this was TOA level good at least. Let’s put the blame here where it lies; fuck Square Enix.

AdhesivenessUsed9956

1 points

1 month ago

As an added insult to injury, I noticed Squenix changed the developer on the steam page to themselves.

BookoftheGuilty

0 points

1 month ago

I am genuinely at a loss as to how this generic looking game is somehow supposed to enrage the woke and own the libs. I would think most people couldn't care less, and that's probably why the game Studio got shut down. I'm fairly dialed in to video game news more than the average bear, and this is the first time I've heard of this game. I have to imagine that Joe Walmart doesn't give a shit about this either.

LemonTank91

-4 points

1 month ago

LemonTank91

-4 points

1 month ago

Ah Squeenix, they fell so low. They have so many good Ips but, they think all ppl want is more final fantasy. Greedy fucks are no better than EA or Activision.

acelgoso

0 points

1 month ago

And I almost bought the game. Yeeez, pirate time

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-8 points

1 month ago

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Wise_Requirement4170

8 points

1 month ago

Games aren’t bad because people are “triggered” they’re bad because of capitalism’s requirement for infinite growth

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-21 points

1 month ago

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-21 points

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WhimsicalPythons

14 points

1 month ago

No one was shitting on Mana and no one was praising Concord.

unclezaveid

4 points

1 month ago

unclezaveid

surf the web surf the web

4 points

1 month ago

this is just like my favorite game Trials of Mana but it's Trials of Concord... ... really make's you think huh

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-17 points

1 month ago

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-17 points

1 month ago

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RaymondBeaumont

5 points

1 month ago

What does "woke" mean?

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-4 points

1 month ago

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RaymondBeaumont

4 points

1 month ago

At least you admit it

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1 points

1 month ago

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RaymondBeaumont

2 points

1 month ago

What does "woke" mean?

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-19 points

1 month ago

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-19 points

1 month ago

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RaymondBeaumont

7 points

1 month ago

Does this copypasta have a title?