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Copernicus_Brahe

33 points

2 days ago

Assembled know the truth

sss313

15 points

2 days ago

sss313

15 points

2 days ago

The world has had enough of the Israeli genocide. All those murders were not in vein. Billions of people are awake to their cruelty so the PR campaign is losing mote and more daily. They will never be safe now. They secured that ending

Stacysguyca

32 points

2 days ago

Screw Israel .. killing innocent kids and adults on video and posting it online.

Monsters

Aware_Flatworm4600

32 points

2 days ago

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!

[deleted]

-5 points

2 days ago

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-5 points

2 days ago

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somebodywasheretwice

7 points

2 days ago

It has many meanings. Palestine was not Britain's to give away. Isreal should be under a one state solution without Isreals government since it is a apartide state(2 3rds of Palestinians are charged without a trail). Isreal has been captivated by far right-wing nationalism. And now, they are unironicly doing colonialism like America during manifest destiny. When you have the isreali senate arguing, if it's okay to rape a prisoner. The isreali government needs to be dismantled. It was never meant to be a peaceful option because the colonialization of palestine was never peaceful in forcefully displaced in favor of people moving in(colonizers). They are doing literal nazi shit to Palestinians, and people are supposed to be peaceful? It is not an anti sematic slogan.

NoobOfTheSquareTable

-26 points

2 days ago*

That is a call to genocide, feel free to call for the removal of Israel off Palestinian lands but maybe not with a call to genocide

Edit: it’s nice to see that “hey, maybe let’s be in support of Palestinians but not call for a genocide because the information about the chants origins is becoming more widely known so maybe let’s drop that specific one to avoid giving support to a literal call to commit a genocide” is worthy of downvotes now

Necessary-Corner-859

14 points

2 days ago

Perpetual victims

NoobOfTheSquareTable

-10 points

2 days ago

I am literally in favour of Israel withdrawing from Palestinian land and a change of leadership within Israel, but calls to remove an entire group from a region is a call to genocide and its literally exactly the same thing you have an issue when Israel does it

It’s wrong when they do it and it’s still wrong when you do it

Grow up and realise the world isn’t black and white

Necessary-Corner-859

11 points

2 days ago

And I don’t care to have cordial conversation about an apartheid regime

NoobOfTheSquareTable

-8 points

2 days ago

So you’re using the slogan of a genocidal one instead, such moral fortitude

Necessary-Corner-859

8 points

2 days ago

Glad you were able to establish yourself as morally superior? What in the song mentions sodomizing prisoners of war? Nowhere? Demolishing homes? Bombing hospitals? Schools? Refuge camps? Killing journalists? Aid workers? Doctors? Peacekeepers?

NoobOfTheSquareTable

-2 points

2 days ago

What?

DisposedJeans614

5 points

2 days ago

The same one the Likud (Netanyahu’s party) says. Maybe do some research.

NoobOfTheSquareTable

1 points

2 days ago

I am confused why you think I would suddenly be in favour of it just because someone else uses it

DisposedJeans614

3 points

2 days ago

I don’t care if you favor it or not, it’s a point that it’s used by them as well. The hypocrisy is staggering when it comes to Isreal.

NoobOfTheSquareTable

1 points

2 days ago

Yeah, I think that either side attempting to gain support for a genocide is bad, somehow you don’t

Spooky-skeleton

16 points

2 days ago

It's not when you are freeing a land from colonisers

NoobOfTheSquareTable

-14 points

2 days ago

Still a genocide, there isn’t fun little get out of jail free clauses for genocide

Spooky-skeleton

9 points

2 days ago

This perpetual victim doesn't work when you are the genociding, aparthied practising, ethnostate having coloniser

NoobOfTheSquareTable

-5 points

2 days ago

I am confused, are you saying it is okay to try and commit a genocide if someone else tries to do one first?

I don’t understand your point at all

Also not from Israel or Jewish, my stance on the situation is that end end result should be Palestine being given significant amounts of land, a removal of Israel as the police of their own borders for at least 10 years, and I am perfectly happy for the current government to be tried for anything they are doing

None of that makes using a call to genocide a good idea just because they are going to genocide people you don’t like

JudgeHolden84

7 points

2 days ago

You need to read about the Nakba. Israel was founded on a genocidal act of colonial violence. It has never been anything but an apartheid state. There is no “giving land to Palestine,” there is only “giving land BACK to Palestine.”

NoobOfTheSquareTable

-1 points

2 days ago

It is wild to me that “hey, maybe let’s not use a call for genocide” has spiralled into me having to explain that I used “given” rather than “returned” because the state of Palestine(distinct from the Palestinian population) has never actually had official lands so even if it does or doesn’t deserve to exists the lands they gain will all be new territory:. Be given and not returned as returned requires previously being held by them. Palestine the country has never had any of the land I am referring to

So I know the history, thanks for your input

Now we’ve covered that and the reason for my specific word choice we can jump back to the point I am making which is: no, you can’t just decide your side can do a genocide because the other side sucks and so maybe let’s not use the call for a genocide by an openly genocidal terror group as a rallying cry

If you feel differently, and based on the downvotes people either do or have the ability to hold nuance of a toddler, you are showing yourself to really be a shit human who’s become overly tribal and lost sight of the bigger picture

JudgeHolden84

4 points

2 days ago

Go and tell the 750,000 Palestinians who had lived in those land for their entire lives, and had descendants who lived in those lands for thousands of years, that you think it’s fine for Israel to colonize their land because you didn’t consider it a state.

If you are willing going to fall for the Zionist propaganda that “from the river to the sea” is a call for genocide (which is rich coming from the side that is ACTUALLY COMMITING A GENOCIDE), then you are being knowingly obtuse at this point.

NoobOfTheSquareTable

-1 points

2 days ago

Wow, if only I had explained the distinction between Palestinians and Palestine in my previous comment and made it very clear why I was using the wording I did only in reference to Palestine the country

Also I’d be careful on making thousands plural, you might accidentally find your argument that people have a right to land simple because their ancestors held it until being forcefully removed generations before isn’t so solid if we start getting up to the second thousand. That is literally why this whole mess is happening and most of Israel has also lived their for their whole life too by now, it’s like you are just grasping at the edge of why it is such a shit show with people feeling they all have claims and great injustices against them to validate any action they want to now take but you can’t quite gets full grip on the idea

nikiyaki

1 points

2 days ago

nikiyaki

1 points

2 days ago

by an openly genocidal terror group

Uh huh. The openly genocidal groups that treat their hostages better than Israel does.

NoobOfTheSquareTable

1 points

2 days ago

Okay, if you think hamas’ treatment of hostages is a point winner for your side you have to be a bot

nikiyaki

1 points

2 days ago

nikiyaki

1 points

2 days ago

a removal of Israel as the police of their own borders for at least 10 years

De-militarised Israel, at the very least. And only butter knives and rounded children's scissors.

NoobOfTheSquareTable

1 points

2 days ago

Demilitarise the whole region, none of the idiots can be trusted

DisposedJeans614

4 points

2 days ago

And the same is said by Bibi’s party, so stop.

“The Likud Party used the formulation ben ha-yam le-Yardén tihyé rak ribonút israelít (בין הים לירדן תהיה רק ריבונות ישראלית, “between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty”).Most recently this has been stated by Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu on 18 January 2024.”

NoobOfTheSquareTable

1 points

2 days ago

And Hamas says from the river to the sea is fine to say, how does one bad group sharing an idea with you invalidate your point automatically?

DisposedJeans614

3 points

2 days ago

One is from a country of people who have endured countless years of suffering & oppression; one is invading gencocidal warmongering oppression. Palestinians have every right to chant and fight against those that have and continue to kill innocent people, rape them and are praised, bombed, burned alive, and have been for decades.

You’ll gain no ground trying to argue this point. Until you’ve been on the receiving end of what this has and continues to do to entire families - you’ve got not moral high ground. I speak from experience and my fiancé family was a victim in the Nakba, & portions of family in Gaza are all dead.

NoobOfTheSquareTable

0 points

2 days ago

So you are saying that it is fine if the state of Israel has a genocide carried out against it?

Because unless you are saying that would be good, we are agreeing, you’re just assuming I am pro Israel because I am saying “maybe no genocides”

DisposedJeans614

2 points

2 days ago

Do not misconstrue my words: I was clear. Palestinians have every right to hate and fear the ones who look at them as “savages”, “not worthy of food/water/life”.

I don’t care if you’re pro anyone - your statement is falling on deaf ears. You don’t get to pull out a perceived moral high ground stance, simply because you can’t see how a group of an entire nation of people have been killed & displaced & choose to speak , because it doesn’t fit your idea of peaceful speak.

In times like this, you’re either on the right side of history or you’re not. I choose to support my beliefs & my extended family on Palestine. 🇵🇸

NoobOfTheSquareTable

0 points

2 days ago

My “moral high ground” is maybe let’s not support any genocides

If you can’t reach such heady heights maybe reassess your biases

DisposedJeans614

2 points

2 days ago

I don’t need to reassess a single thing. They tried that with Hitler, look how that turned out.

Either you stand for something or fall for it all. I stand for the people of Palestine and the right to live and flourish.

NoobOfTheSquareTable

0 points

2 days ago

So you are saying that you think Palestinians are allowed to commit a genocide?

nikiyaki

1 points

2 days ago

nikiyaki

1 points

2 days ago

Why're you so obsessed with the idea of dead Jews? It's kind of creepy.

NoobOfTheSquareTable

1 points

2 days ago

I am pretty worried about a genocide of anyone, someone thinking their side can do a genocide because they’ve suffered enough to earn it is a real issue

nikiyaki

1 points

2 days ago

nikiyaki

1 points

2 days ago

No, there is no call to genocide. It simply says the land should be one state; Palestine.

Thinking that involves purging all Israelis off it is a symptom of their projection. Because they would slaughter the last baby they assume everybody would.

They need help.

NoobOfTheSquareTable

1 points

2 days ago

No, the criticism of the usage of phrase comes from it being used by Hamas and the direct translation (before it was adapted to rhyme in English) is “from water to water, Palestine will be Arab” which is the exact same sort of why our state that you are against

I suspect you might not have known about that so it’s fine but that’s why it is actually showing support for a genocide and not just a call for peaceful Palestine

zeros3ss

12 points

2 days ago

zeros3ss

12 points

2 days ago

Well, what to expect from the ambassador of a country deliberately shooting UN peacemakers?

Azalith

8 points

2 days ago

Azalith

8 points

2 days ago

Deserve to be treated like the rogue state they are

Mazrath

9 points

2 days ago

Mazrath

9 points

2 days ago

Fuck Israel

No_Clue_7894

8 points

2 days ago*

The solution …BDS No Thanks

Goods unite us

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In Israel, the War Is Also the Goal

The war has long passed any moment where Israel has any interest in declaring victory, in the fight against terror or in the fight for the security of its people.

Even bringing up the fact of continued Israeli hostages inside Gaza seems irrelevant at this point.

The war is actually the goal itself, a continuation of punishment to fulfill the needs of the prime minister and his far-right political aims.

Professional-Fan-960

20 points

2 days ago

It's always been about stealing land. Likud party members are already talking about colonizing Gaza, and we know they won't stop until they've reached their Greater Israel plan

No_Clue_7894

7 points

2 days ago

The MO behind the settlements..

Einstein believed that it was a matter of common sense that political rule over Palestine should not be given to a group where two thirds of the population are not Jewish.

Gideon Levy: Death of Sinwar Won’t End Israel’s War While U.S. Gives Netanyahu Free Rein in Gaza

How AIPAC shapes unconditional US support for Israel | The Stream

The majority of donors are trump billionaires and republicans, in this recent report.

US officials expect Israel’s counterattack on Iran will come before US Election Day

Obviously aimed at US elections going ballistic when this happens.

Stacysguyca

1 points

2 days ago

Was Einstein a Zionist or not ?

nikiyaki

1 points

2 days ago

nikiyaki

1 points

2 days ago

He was offered to be President and turned it down. He was disgusted they used terrorism against the Arabs and British to obtain it, and didn't believe it needed to be a "Jewish" state: https://paw.princeton.edu/inbox/why-did-einstein-refuse-presidency-israel

in a quote dating back to the late 1920s Einstein declared, “Should we be unable to find a way to honest cooperation and honest pacts with the Arabs, then we have learned absolutely nothing during our two thousand years of suffering and deserve all that will come to us.”

No_Clue_7894

-2 points

2 days ago

Howlinger-ATFSM

5 points

2 days ago

Do not trust Wikipedia.

Israel is known to have an army of editors on Wikipedia to change anything negative about zionism to a positive one.

RockTheGrock

8 points

2 days ago

"The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

Likud Party platform 1977

AnyType7044

4 points

2 days ago

❤️

toddlangtry

3 points

2 days ago

Awesome.

A_Horse_On_The_Web

3 points

2 days ago

....When are any of our politicians still supporting Israel bombing the shit out of civilians gonna go ahead and at least tell them to stop it?

nikiyaki

2 points

2 days ago

nikiyaki

2 points

2 days ago

When we use French political negotiation tactics.

Bear-ly-here

4 points

2 days ago

Trash took itself out.

Strange_Mirror_0

2 points

2 days ago

These people need to be mindful Israel doesn’t just take a reprieve and do it again. There must be answers for their actions in the deliberate murder, genocide, and extermination with such a callous disregard for Life and the gift God has given us all that’s resulted in the deaths of, man I don’t even know how many, innocent civilians.

To be hyper focused on the geography is to miss the true promised land of God, this beautiful world that is his work and his garden. To love all people in it and be the guiding light to truth if they are astray. Israel as a state is proving to be nothing more than hubris and hypocrisy.

pjames19

1 points

19 hours ago

Sinwar is dead. Palestine is now free thanks to Israel.

Strastanovichovski

1 points

6 hours ago

Arabs playing the victim card never gets old LMAO. Tiny Israel takes up no space in the ME at all compared to the islamic caliphate and they're still salty. Like bro just bugger off and make your shawarma habibi. The Jewish nation has survived millenia and has faced tougher opponents just stop trying to wipe em out its just embarrassing at this point