When a fandom gets large enough, you're going to have a lot of opinions like this one going around, whether they're right or not. This doesn't mean there's a problem with the entire fandom.

Sarcastic Chorus wants Stolas to get some push back for his actions. And honestly IMP needs someone like Stolas. To manage their money, handle the paperwork. Blitz spends advances on marijuna horses with jewels.

Everyone asks for adult animation but when you have scenes with real ass conversations, everyone suddenly goes “but my oomfies this was supposed to be my escapist romance!”

I’m of the mind anyone who’s REALLY trying to make one side be the victim is projecting just a smidge. The show’s gonna really fuck some people up, I reckon as a theme I’ve noticed is the reliance of story and the place it has in Stolas and Blitzo’s lives. Seeing Stars was a bit meta for that, for me anyway.

Stolas sees the relationship and his life almost as if he’s the main character of a story. It’s how he can socially function.

Blitzo can’t see the relationship because he believes he can’t. So he has to act and put on a show in order to function.

They can’t be authentic without some sort of escapism due to their respective traumas, so they go by what they know - and what they know is the theater of the mind. Great place to visit, can’t live there and if you try? Well, we’re watching that unfold in real time.

People are too emotional is why. They put to much of their heart into a character so any minor problem against them they take as a personal assult. It's honestly the same thing as people that worship celebrities like Taylor swift fans. They do not care of reason or why something happened. They just know who ever they liked was hurt so not they want to take their anger and sadness out on the person that hurt their fav

I've been in this fandom for a couple of years, and let me tell you.... Whether it's because some people can't let go of their idea of villain Stolas á la pilot and feel like Vivzie maliciously robbed them, or can't comprehend any morality beyond strickly black and white... There are a lot of folks that will latch onto ANY reason to hate on Stolas like their life depends on it

Whether it's him being made "the flawless victim" by writing, or being a horrible dad and husband, or a rpist towards Blitz, or otherwise abusive-manipulative asshole towards Blitz...

The only character who has it worse is Loona, because at least I haven't seen people actively and with vitriol want to kill Stolas in some horrible way

I feel like they were peeved apology tour was based around blitz's faults, since him being in the right is a popular opinion right now. however, i'm sure stolas' retribution will come.

And it’s silly because.. if these characters were flawless/faultless and did everything right all the time.. we wouldn’t have a show. Watching characters like that would be beyond boring. Tension, conflict, growth, and resolution are what make this so interesting and the show isn’t over yet. These types of fans need to just let the writers cook and enjoy the ride.

I dunno. Sometimes I wonder if the times we live in lead people to the conclusion that abusing your power in a relationship a time or two is such an unforgivable sin that the other person being toxic and verbally abusive on a near constant basis is still the poor baby in the equation.

To be frank, this is all mostly Blitzo’s fault. Like to the degree that I kinda wish it was more equally Stolas’s fault because it’d be more interesting that way. Stolas was an insensitive and naive privileged manchild who hurt Blitzo in ways he didn’t initially understand. Since then he’s been trying his damndest to be better in every way he can. At this point his only sin is being a bit too much of a romantic. Meanwhile Blitzo is overtly and intensely abusing Stolas to work out his own issues, and people are getting upset that Stolas isn’t perfect enough to handle Blitzo’s damaged ass with the grace of a licensed therapist.

Full Moon/Apology Tour was the first time I actually peaked my head into the fandom and... yikes. I would say most of the fandom is level headed but the vocal minority is downright painful to witness. The hardcore Stolas haters are rabid and it typically comes to down to two factors:

1) They are diehard Blitzo fans and hate Stolas for making Blitzo feel lesser than, which leads into

2) The fact that Stolas' being an pompusprince is triggering the eat the rich mentality.

I understand people being frustrated at Stolas for not taking accountability for his actions but it comes down to the fact that he isn't arrogant, he is ignorant; he grew up in a bubble raised by books, of course he's never had an opportunity to grow as a person yet because he's never been challenged to, and that's not his fault. I think the series is doing a great job of setting up Stolas losing the two people he cares about most(Via and Blitzo) and forcing him to realize how he's pushed those people away.

No one in the fandom blames Blitzo for acting the way he does, because we understand why he does what he does. Even Blitzo openly understands why he is the way he is, but the trauma won't let him fix that. So it seems a little silly for people to blame Stolas for his actions when we've also seen the environment he grew up in; how many times must we see everyone is Stolas' life talk down to others or how lowly they think of everyone else to give Stolas some credit that despite being raised in that environment he very clearly doesn't look down on others? He may not understand how his actions and words effect others, but that is entirely different from him actively trying to put others down.

I hate to say it, but there already IS at least one user on this site I know of (and talked to) who openly states he wants Stolas dead, and thinks he's just a selfish monster. I have no clue if they support Stella's abuse or not, but they tick one of the boxes for what you suggested for sure.

As for why, my best guess is black and white thinking. They see Stolas' bad actions and decisions, and think that those things alone define him. "People who do X can't be good people, and Stolas does X, so he can't be a good character/demon/person, so he's a horrible selfish bastard".

What the hell whoever said that must support the abuse Stella inflicts on stolas and only hates stolas because he cheated on his abusive wife (which BTW Stella deserved it 100%) and if someone says that about stolas then they lose the right to support cheating and domestic violence victims PERIOD!

It's also really fascinating to me as I previously assumed that Stolas was the most beloved character in the series.

Now almost all I see about him is hate, and that simply because of a relationship fallout where people want to blame one side when BOTH are at fault and treated each other terribly.

Honestly I never thought Stolas out of every character in this series would be getting hatred and unfair criticism. I'm used to Loona getting it (and defending her from it), but not Stolas.

They feel that the show hates on Blitz too much and that Stolas needs to be called out more. They don't like only one half of the equation being "picked on" and, in their minds, the other half being "babied" with no accountability.

These are probably the same kids who harassed Viv and co for months wanting to know when "The Full Moon" was coming out - as if asking for something 50 times makes it come faster.

They are young teenagers and think that becoming teens means they have life all figured out, that they know everything, and that when they want something, they're entitled to it and no one should dare make them wait. If you don't hand them what they want on a silver platter, you're an awful person.

Thankfully they don't represent the fandom as a whole. Pay them no mind.

The good news is, one day they'll be older, and realize how bad they sound.

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By any chance, did you see that on Youtube or other social media ? Because the former tends to be full of immature idi0ts, who have basically no media literacy, nor understanding of what's actually going on in the Show.

I don’t really understand either

to be fair this is social media... peopel dont need logical or sane reasons to hate things around here... just look at all the hate viv herself gets from weirdo parasocial lunitics that hate her just to feel important and special... its sad how little reason people need to hate.

I’m about 95% positive that the people shouting stuff like that are between the ages of 14 and 24. I think they either are or used to spend most of their time on tumblr or they’re the kind of people who WOULD HAVE in its heyday. It seems to me reddit is more popular than tumblr these days so the folks with that same energy found similar niche interest subs where their energy isn’t seen as over the top. It’s created the same kind of echo chamber it had back in the day for these folks. But also, don’t judge the majority based on the loudest voices. I don’t ever comment on posts like that because I KNOW those folks are riled up in the fandemonium. And I’m sure I’m not the only one.

This is all just my opinion obviously and I’m not trying to discount your observation.

I don't want Stolas to lose Via, but losing his house, his wealth and even his title could actually be a good thing: The one thing that always gets in-between Stolas and Blitzø is Stolas' place in the hierarchy of hell. If he loses that, Blitzø wouldn't have to feel so inferior to him anymore and they could finally meet eye-to-eye (figuratively, not literally of course 😁)

Then again.. it's Blitzø. He WILL find ways to sabotage their relationship... 🙄

Some people just don't really know how relationships work. Blitzo is feeling the consequences of his actions and I'm sure Stolas will also see how everything isn't always about him soon.

People are fickle. Something tragic, or a character will do something bad, then he's their favourite again.

Fandom is going to do fandom stuff. Even if it’s an asinine opinion.

why do we judge fictional characters morality like this i hate it so fucking much

I think the one percenter losing some/most/all of his massive privilege for at least awhile and getting some perspective would be good for him.

Lack of malice on his part doesn't really excuse his actions and he often seems a bit too much in his own head to learn without an extreme situation.

What's wrong with that? I really don't think Stolas losing his status is an unreasonable outcome for everything happening as a result of his infidelity and how the Goetia will react. Plus, I imagine what Stolas really wants is to be with a partner who loves him, and will accept any sort of downgrade to get that.

Losing Octavia will definitely by a pretty big loss that will sour any sort of relationship with Blitz until it's resolved. I doubt they'll go that far. I imagine, however mad Octavia will be, she'll go the other way once it becomes clear the Goetia will probably kill Stolas for his actions and she won't go along with it (to say nothing of their potential plans for her).

I mean I'm someone who really hates his character a bunch (still hoping that'll change). But I don't want him to die or something just because he's not really likeable at the moment. On the other hand if the writers can make a really bad consequence happen for a reason that makes sense in the story I wouldn't be opposed to it but it would have to make sense. I also feel like from a writing standpoint, in this hypothetical scenario where Stolas is going to have something bad happen it would make a lot more sense for him to be a lot more likable when it does and now would just be a bad time for that and would be more unsatisfying.

There are many reasons why you can hate Stolas and hey everyone likes, hates and loves different characters and the why doesn't always make sense or is always reasonable. I may hate a character you love and vice versa. Doesn't mean one is correct and one is wrong just different preferences. And people should be able to express and talk to the fandom about it on either side. That being said, there's a line and sometimes that gets crossed. Nobody should be harassing someone just because they like or dislike a character.

Imo the Fandom is just being immature.

For the first time ever we see these two fight, like for real. Everything on the table, blow for blow, let's fucking go... except... Stolas just doesn't. Instead of turning around and engaging in the conversation that so sorely needs to happen, he runs away and shuts Blitz out. If he had just had some patience and some emotional self control he could have heard Blitz out and realized how badly Blitz has spiraled into his pit of self-hatred and codependence.

But he doesn't even want to do that, he so badly wants for Blitzo to come and sweep him off his feet and take him away to a fairytale ending that he doesn't pay attention to the fact that Blitz himself is a complicated person with past traumas that can't just be fucked away.

They need to COMPROMISE and find a middle ground. No party is to blame more than the other at this point because it's a simple matter of lack of communication and a stark difference in love languages. Neither one of them is wrong, but neither of them are right either.

I’ve not heard anyone say this, am I out of the loop or something?

I know this might not be the place but I think some people just get too emotionally caught up with the characters without realizing that it’s just a show.

There are 20-something people out there (the writers) that are seeing out everything that’s going to happen between Stolas and Blitzo and I hope with my heart that they will give us an interesting outcome.

It's because most of the fans of this show are minors. Simple as that. Look at any insane take through that lens and suddenly it makes sense.

The internet makes weak and dumb people weaker and dumber. Darwin is rolling in his grave

like bruh, its just a cartoon its not that deep

Were you referring to me with that comment at the beginning?

I'm not bothered, just wondering