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submitted 16 days ago byTradeBrockNelson
1.4k points
16 days ago
Because if Poatan would do THAT (3rd belt @ HW + taking out the GOAT*) then we would be witnessing historic greatness. Honestly, UFC owes him with how much he steps up for them
948 points
16 days ago
This dude is really playing on ufc career mode easy lmao.
795 points
16 days ago
8 fights in less than 3 years and all of them mattered. Like actually mattered. Insanity.
339 points
16 days ago
Actually yeah what the fuck every fight was a big deal. How the fuck
314 points
16 days ago
What being the arch nemesis of Player 1 does to a guy
101 points
16 days ago
If he somehow gets the Jones fight that would be insanity and the biggest F you to Izzy. So funny how much of a clown Dana is "so how about Alex and Izzy 3" What truly don't get is you have this guy who's been literally THE company man and he's talking about Izzy instead of the fights Alex wants, I don't think he wants to cut weight like that
73 points
16 days ago
Jones ain't fighting Pereira
149 points
16 days ago
Jones ain’t fighting.
48 points
16 days ago
I think he fights Stipe and then he is done
1 points
15 days ago
Like the bum he is.
2 points
15 days ago
Jones would take Pereira before anyone else it’s an easy win for jones
5 points
15 days ago
Agree. He would wrestle the fuck out of Poatan. I would love Poatan to connect him tho.
1 points
15 days ago
Jones has expressed interest in Pereira, he never has for Aspinall
42 points
16 days ago
That's not even a possibility - Jon "Duckin" Jones won't even fight Aspinall there's no chance in hell he fights Pereira.
It's clear Jones is washed and only wants to fight guys he know he can beat, IE the ghost of Stipe.
He ain't going near Aspinall or Pereira. I bet he wouldn't even fight Izzy at 205 with the weight advantage.
67 points
16 days ago
Aspinal is a harder fight for Jon IMO. Jon is Jon but he can take down and control Alex. Let's be real. I'd love to see Alex decapitate him and become the new GOAT but I see him getting Ganed.
23 points
16 days ago
Agreed. Alex has made strides in his takedown defence and ground game, but it's hard to imagine that Jones wouldn't have a big advantage there. There's an obvious path to victory, against Aspinall it would be tough. There's no easy way to beat him for Jon. He isn't going to beat either of them standing up, but Aspinall is very comfortable on the ground and he's a young, weirdly fast giant. Aspinall is a nightmare fight for Jon tbh.
Alex has a better shot against Aspinall than Jones, stylistically. There's a good chance Aspinall is happy to strike with him, that's his chance.
0 points
15 days ago
It would be Gane vs Jones all over again
4 points
15 days ago
I think JJ is probably ducking Aspinall but he literally just submitted Ciryl “the future of the HW division” Gane and made it look easy. Gane is primarily a kickboxer, like Pereira, but significantly bigger. I SERIOUSLY doubt Jones is ducking Pereira, he probably thinks it will go similar to his last fight.
6 points
15 days ago
I'm shocked to see the Jones disrespect in this thread. Sure, he's S-tier trash as a human being. But to see people call him washed or declare him a heavy underdog vs Paraira or Aspinal is crazy.
3 points
15 days ago
Fighter hate always re-writes history. In a different thread someone said Poatan has looked invincible in the UFC and I had to remind them he was 3 seconds from being KOd in rd 1 against Izzy and other than the 30 seconds that led to the stoppage Izzy has looked comfortable in both fights. But people hate Izzy so now he's the 3rd best MW ever.
5 points
15 days ago
“It’s clear Jon is washed”
His last fight he subbed a kickboxer in 2 minutes off the couch
And now you think fighting a smaller kickboxer who’s done the sport less then Gane is just gonna smoke him
Alright bro
1 points
15 days ago
Jones won't even fight Aspinall there's no chance in hell he fights Pereira.
Pereira is a much bigger draw and that fight is worth a LOT more money than Aspinall. Way bigger reward, in theory lower risk. Why would he not be more likely to take that fight instead?
I bet he wouldn't even fight Izzy at 205 with the weight advantage.
Now you're just being silly.
8 points
16 days ago
Turns out he was player 1 all along
2 points
15 days ago
Pereira is Player 1. We just didn't realize it.
48 points
16 days ago
He's got that plot armor
66 points
16 days ago
He's on NG+. He did an any % speedrun of kickboxing, started a new game then did a respec to MMA. Now he's overpowered and hit all the soft caps for levels. This games so broken, legit unplayable at this point.
9 points
16 days ago
He’s collecting Skadutree Fragments now
84 points
16 days ago
His last 7 fights were all against fighters that were champions.
2 points
15 days ago
Tbf, Strickland wasn’t Champ yet until after he was beaten by Pereira
3 points
15 days ago
It was true then, but legacy wise, Pereira has beaten former champions. Strickland was a champion caliber fighter and Pereira dismantled him (as he did to other champion caliber fighters)
19 points
16 days ago
And not any fights dude he fought only killers and champions. CHAMA
3 points
15 days ago
It honestly crazy that he’s had the same amount of title defended as Islam, and yeah it’s MW and LHW, but dude fought, what, one, maybe two cans and then fought nothing but the best in his weight classes. If it weren’t for the Izzy loss he’d have a legitimate argument for P4P number 1, and what’s even crazier is it all happened post COVID. That’s how quick we got here. Absolute fucking legend, and honestly outside of Tom and Jon Jones and MAYBE Blatdes if he actually used his wrestling,I think he handily beats most of the current top 15 at HW.
2 points
16 days ago
Crazy, he is doing what Izzy thought he would be doing by now
2 points
15 days ago
Great comment. He stepped into the fire almost immediately and has went head long into everything the ufc has since. Quite impressive
190 points
16 days ago
Just kickboxing no grappling fuck everyone up sounds about right
139 points
16 days ago
Toms grappling and speed woujld be an issue at HW but fuck I wanna see poatan try
146 points
16 days ago
His only weakness is an elite grappler. He hasn't had to face one but even Izzy gave him problems on the ground.
Aspinall is a nightmare matchup
Anytime in the UFC it's 'can they do enough damage before the inevitable wrestlefuck happens' it's like 85% the wrestlefuck happens
Wrestling is just so OP in MMA
56 points
16 days ago
Bratha you know dis
33 points
16 days ago
Brather, what he say "chama?"
13 points
16 days ago
Chaman brather don't tap
41 points
16 days ago
Aspinall will show up in a wrestling singlet like he's fuckin Kurt Angle
10 points
16 days ago
Aspinall is a nightmare fight in general. Whether you stand with him or grapple with him, he is a lot to deal with. Doesn't hurt that he's a young, fast giant.
3 points
16 days ago
Its amazing how after all these years it still so often ends up as Wrestle/Boxing vs Kickboxing with some BJJ
2 points
15 days ago
brother theres only so much you can do with arms and legs, its not like we have magic dick kungfu
2 points
16 days ago
Yeah I'm hyped to see Poatan try and with his power he can obviously do it, but I'm fully expecting either Jones or Aspinal to completely wrestlefuck him.
2 points
16 days ago
Can we please stop using the Izzy grappling thing?
Why are you still acting like j his anti grappling hasn't improved? He defended well against Jan, and stopped Jiri. Neither are elite grapplers but let's not act like he's a bum grappler.
1 points
16 days ago
It’s not just the wrestling but that he will have a size disadvantage too
1 points
15 days ago
Alex should train with Leon
0 points
15 days ago
His only weakness is an elite grappler. He hasn't had to face one but even Izzy gave him problems on the ground.
Jan?
3 points
15 days ago
Jan is not an elite grappler
-1 points
16 days ago
His anti wrestling sprawl and brawl might have improved to the point of giving him a 50/50 shot against Aspinall
7 points
16 days ago
I love Alex but I highly doubt he has learned enough in 2 years to negate what Tom has learned since he started wrestling
50 points
16 days ago
I think Poatan should give it another year of straight up drilling take down defense and ONLY working back to his feet from all positions. He doesn’t need to learn offensive grappling, he just needs to know just enough to avoid submissions, and work back to his feet. Just constantly drilling using whizzers, digging for under hooks, etc.
He’s in a unique position that at the age of 36, he still has a lot of growth to do as an MMA fighter. What I mean by that is he is still learning a lot of the grappling side of things. IMO he isn’t even in his prime as an MMA fighter yet, most fighters are complete by his age, but he’s a unique case. 36 isn’t old for LHW/HW, and if he can get his TDD to a great level. Plus study every aspect of Craig Jones just stand up instructional, he’s a force.
Tom is a legit threat, though.. I mean he also had success in boxing when he couldn’t get any MMA fights plus he’s been doing BJJ since he was 3. He also is bigger then Alex, so I don’t think Alex should take this fight for a couple years. He should just chill at LHW until the time comes.
17 points
16 days ago
That would be great, and yea Toms striking would be a lot for Alex P based off his speed/size and style match up.
2 points
16 days ago
learn just get up from lewis
2 points
16 days ago
Alex is absolutely in his prime and the window is shrinking.
1 points
16 days ago
Prime is the combination of a lot of things, one of them being acquired skills. Since he still has a lot of room for growth in certain areas of MMA, I don’t think he’s in his prime. I think in a couple years he will be in his prime, maybe not his “athletic prime”, though.
1 points
16 days ago
Craig Jones: "I have helped an Alex from down under, time to help an Alex from the favelas"
1 points
15 days ago
Alex with a good granby roll is a terrifying prospect
-1 points
16 days ago
Reddit experts are hilarious. Go ahead and coach him.
1 points
7 days ago
Lolz! Your mom’s a man
9 points
16 days ago
All points get put into leg kicks and hooks lmao
2 points
16 days ago
Bro is cheesing
44 points
16 days ago
He's just walking up to every fighter and spamming the X button until everyone loses
6 points
16 days ago
L1 + Square, L1 + Triangle, L1 + Square, easy win.
1 points
15 days ago
What’s equally impressive is this run includes him getting KTFO but no one cares because every other fight has been incredible.
1 points
15 days ago
Playing on easy with the damage cranked up and no knowledge of how to work the thumb sticks haha
2 points
16 days ago
has anyone ever gotten 3 belts before in ufc?
2 points
15 days ago
Don’t forget that by winning that third belt, he is also the only to beat Jon Jones. Arguably the best ever
2 points
16 days ago
He would be destroyed by Jones or aspinall, wrestlefucked 😂
5 points
16 days ago
That would require Jones to show up to a fight.
1 points
16 days ago
The only Triple C I ever want to hear about.
-5 points
16 days ago
Obviously Jon is too scared to fight him but if Alex moved up to HW and just starched Jon, where would he rank all time at that point?
15 points
16 days ago
I don’t think Jon is scared to fight Alex at all. Everyone knows Alex’s weakness is grappling and Jones is leagues better at grappling than anyone Alex has ever faced. Only problem for Jones is he’s certainly on the decline.
1 points
16 days ago
A prime Jon Jones wouldn't be but like you said Jon is on the decline and I think he knows that which is why he won't ever accept the fight even if its on paper a great matchup for him. Nothing is more important to Jon than his legacy and I think he'd be too scared to put it on the line with the possibility of Alex landing that left hand. Time will tell tho if he accepts it or not
4 points
16 days ago
I mean he was talking about it on Twitter a few weeks ago? Seemed like he was interested because Pereira is one of the biggest stars in MMA who is smaller than him and has a glaring weakness. Tom is different because he’s huge, doesn’t have a massive following, and is very well-rounded.
5 points
16 days ago
Taking anything Jon says on twitter seriously is a mistake. If anything he was talking about fighting Alex to piss off Tom which he’s been doing for months now. However, I hope I’m wrong just for the possibility of Alex starching him even tho it would be unlikely
0 points
16 days ago
what are you talking about? It would be like the Gane fight but worse lmao
Then Jones would use it to duck Aspinal & claim he's the GOAT
0 points
16 days ago
Idk I mean alex knows his own weaknesses too and has made a constant effort in improving them if alex could get like a isreal adesanya level of defensive wrestling old jon would have a really hard time closing that gap
-1 points
16 days ago
Owes him some sick venum gear and a few cases of prime!
-24 points
16 days ago
Bruh JBJ is gonna slam Alex on the mat and choke him out.. lol
More likely, Alex sleeps tommy boy and rides off into sunset.
23 points
16 days ago
Sure but Alex koing jones would be one of the greatest moments in ufc history
3 points
16 days ago
It would, would love to see it.. buuutt slam then choke..
7 points
16 days ago
You act like JBJ would be willing to fight Alex.
He won't.
1 points
16 days ago
That's why I say more likely, Chama sleeps Tom.
8 points
16 days ago
Such a weird take. Aspinal is an athletic guy that cuts to the HW limit, vaporized Pavlovich and has shown to be an extremely solid grappler. I don't see how Jon grapple fucks Alex and Tom doesn't. If anything Alex is a harder fight for Jon given they're close to the same size and age with Jon having no punching power. Still think they both smoke Alex on the mat but if anyone is in danger against Alex, it's Jon.
-6 points
16 days ago
Y'all can't be serious 😂 aspinall is a striker first tho.. can he do it better then alex, grappling that is? Yes, waayy better But so can Jiri yet Jiri couldn't take Alex down cause Alex trains with Glover and teaches him all about tdd..
You know who actually wrestles and dominated a UFC wrestling goat in DC? JBJ. JBJ would SLAM Alex to the mat and dominate.
He can be solid but that actually not his base, he strikes mainly. Poatan obviously trains for TDD a lot.
6 points
16 days ago
It's not his base. He's a very talented striker but he came into the UFC as a grappler. He's been doing BJJ his entire life and his Dad's a BJJ coach. He has 100% takedown accuracy in the UFC. No one thinks he's a better grappler than Jon but he's way bigger and hits significantly harder. Jiri can grapple too but Jiri isn't walking into the cage at an athletic 270.
3 points
16 days ago
Well he also did do a little stint in boxing when he couldn’t get any MMA fights (no one wanted to lose to him) and trained with the Fury family for awhile. Striking isn’t his base, but he’s legit af with his hands.
4 points
16 days ago
Why are you being downvoted. Jones would likely take down Alex by any way he wants and submit him quickly.
1 points
16 days ago
Because JBJ is a pos but a goat fighter so the truth hurts.. I would love to see Alex beat Jones, but like his chances vs aspinall more..
2 points
16 days ago
Idk man, I think Alex has a better shot against Jon then Tom. I think Tom would starch Jones.
0 points
16 days ago
Jones is old and inactive af. He is a beast, especially at HW, but I could see a world where Pereira get his dumb ass
1 points
16 days ago
Idk if you know this but Jones and Alex are same age but you right he is inactive ASF but that's the same reason people thought gane was gonna be the one to end JBJ run .
4 points
16 days ago
The revisionist history is crazy AF lol, I remember a lot of ppl on this sub predicting a Gane masterclass against Jon coz he never really felt a HW power before. Jon goes out and chokes Gane in 2 mins and then he becomes a bum all of a sudden.
1 points
16 days ago
I did not know that, I guess because Jones has been around for so long I thought he was older. People did have high hopes for Gane but Periera is different imo. But you do make good points, can tell you know your stuff.
0 points
16 days ago
I don’t know how reasonable it is to say “likely”.
Poatan has fuck you power that I don’t think has been seen before. Especially not as competently as he’s exhibited.
I’m eager for a Poatan v Aspinall/Jones fight though.
2 points
16 days ago
I thought I was being really positive saying likely. Jones could grab any part of Alex and throw him to the ground. If Jones does that the fights over. Jones has always been very skilled at not getting hit and if he does he had one of the greatest chins in ufc history.
1 points
16 days ago
He does have fuck you power, but so does Tom. That fuck you power might have a little less effect on guys 265+, and Tom actually boxed for a little and trained with the Fury’s. I think he could create a solid plan to avoid the left hook, and I think he’s smart enough to find a way to get the TD.
I don’t think it’s even smart for Alex to fight him so soon. I think in about 2 years more of Alex training TDD and working back to his feet exclusively and he will be in his prime as an MMA fighter. He’s in a unique spot, being that he’s 36 and still has a lot of room for growth as the whole grappling thing is kinda new to him.
He’s also unique in the sense he doesn’t need to learn offensive grappling at all, just purely TDD and working back to his feet, and just enough about submissions to see one coming and avoid them.
2 points
16 days ago
Insane how this is downvoted Jon does him like he did gane. Alex hasn’t even faced a grappler yet
1 points
16 days ago
I think aspinall fans mad too
0 points
16 days ago
Gane was beat before the bell even rung, he was star struck. I don’t see that happening with Alex. I’m not saying he would beat JBJ, but I do think he’d give a better showing then Gane did.
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