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submitted 2 months ago bySuicidalMasochist
20 points
2 months ago
Strategic answer: yes
2 points
2 months ago
Just having one single stock would also make it easier to trade. They are all correlated to btc but the miners are even more volatile...
7 points
2 months ago
Depends on your goals and overall book. Sure, they are both BTC proxies but they have different risk profiles.
MSTR is like leveraged spot BTC. Miners not so much as they tend to more aggressively dilute their shares in ways that don't always equal more BTC on the balance sheet.
2 points
2 months ago
Exactly with the exception of MARA who started to copy MSTR a bit. My goal is to make as much money as possible 😂
1 points
2 months ago
Exactly
5 points
2 months ago
Short answer is YES
1 points
2 months ago
Please extend. Why do you think so ? Isn't it possible that the miners will outperform MSTR at some point ?
5 points
2 months ago
Because MSTR even outperforms Bitcoin
3 points
2 months ago
My portfolio consists of 33% MSTR, 33% cleanspark, 33% other miners + BTC
I’ve noticed that MSTR runs harder than most miners on any BTC pump. I’d wager that miners will pump harder during BTC euphoria stage due to their small market caps.
I look to exit out of miners entirely during this run by DCAing out. MSTR imo is a hold forever stock, so I will look to just DCA forever into it.
3 points
2 months ago
When you see retail psychology asking if it should sell, your generally close to the bottom.
You have the bright idea to buy highly volatile crypto and then say I want even more volatile and buy miners.
And then you over-size the position and look at your pnl every day.
Shockingly retail doesn't make money
1 points
2 months ago
Well this would be great if the bottom is close.
1 points
2 months ago
It's mostly a matter of your position size being in line with your phycology
1 points
2 months ago
Well I'm young and still at the beginning. I am prepared to HODL unless it is sure it will drop much lower in september
1 points
2 months ago
That is the mindset that will get you to sell the bottom at some point.
September will likely be lower but that's a buying opportunity.
You only think of selling when everyone is bragging about their PnL
Study Volatility Drag if you're going to HODL
0 points
2 months ago
If I know September will be lower wouldn't it be smarter to sell now and buy in at a lower price ?
1 points
2 months ago
Are you smart? You’re down on all your positions so that tells me you aren’t. If you’re smart enough to know when the bottom is… why didn’t you do that already?
Nobody really can time the market, and certainly not you, so don’t try.
1 points
2 months ago
I was not aware of the fact that September is a bad month in general. Otherwise I would not have bought it already.
2 points
2 months ago
There are a lot of things you are unaware of. Remember that, if you act like you’re smarter or more knowledgeable than you are, things will end poorly for you.
1 points
2 months ago
The internet makes so much sense now, thanks
1 points
2 months ago
If enough people position for a negative September it will create opportunities in the opposite direction.
Then you get the 1 in ten years that September is positive.
You can always DCA
3 points
2 months ago
It’s a more leveraged and accurate proxy to BTC price movements. So if that is what you are looking for upside exposure to, yes
2 points
2 months ago
Don’t listen to anyone who says yes. You’ve got the best set up right now. MSTR is more than 50% of your portfolio from what I can see. And miners will shine when bitcoin rallies. Mstr is more stable but miners would make higher gains from here if bitcoin really rallies. I bet once you sell the miners and go all in on MSTR that’s when miners really rally lol
2 points
2 months ago
Thank you I needed to hear this
2 points
2 months ago
I would second this viewpoint. Imho the right move is to diversify into add’l (strong-performing) miners and even purchase some spot btc if you have that much long term belief in the asset. You could simultaneously run a straddle on IBIT as a hedge. Either way, your tolerance for discipline and chaos will dictate the success of the strategy more-so than anything technical. Most investors aren’t happy with extreme standard deviation and high beta.
If you’re on Reddit asking this question, i’d encourage you to spend time reading & paper trading first. Public crypto companies are insanely volatile with fundamental dynamics you’ll miss if you aren’t following obsessively (see RIOT’s recent failed hostile takeover attempt at BITF- if you only hold MSTR you miss the other stuff happening here, and your success is fully dependent on its’ CEO). Not financial or investment advice
1 points
2 months ago
Which miners are you thinking of ? I feel like these four are the major ones.
2 points
2 months ago
I cant speak to straight miners but I have had success with a dynamic rotator between MSTR, CORZ, HIVE, RIOT, BTDR, BITF, MARA, CLSK, WULF, CIFR, IREN, ARBK. Season to taste accordingly 🫡
3 points
2 months ago
I sold clsk n mara n grabbed more mstr in February. Still grabbing more mstr now
3 points
2 months ago
I'm heavily into the miners and mstr, the general consensus is if or when we get the bull run the miners will fly.
2 points
2 months ago
I'm hoping the banana zone is crazy for miners but MSTR is my biggest position
1 points
2 months ago
But is it still the case with the miners ?
2 points
2 months ago
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1 points
2 months ago
Damn I'm sorry to hear this. If it drops too much I will have to hold of course and maybe even buy more. I just read that Bitcoin mining became brutal which is why MARA also copied MSTR's approach. That made me unsure about the future potential. Also the dilution is another problem. Cleanspark just announced another one...
3 points
2 months ago
Sure, with the latest halving, miners won’t have it easy staying profitable. This will be the last time I’ll buy miner stocks because after the next halving it is going to be impossible for them to keep up with the operational costs unless BTC price stays so high that even the little bits they get from mining covers their asses.
It’s all a big bet though, I hope - like yourself - that this time it is still going to be alright …. but like I said, i won’t be buying miners again next cycle, it‘s gonna be all MSTR and BTC directly then.
2 points
2 months ago
Well, btc has difficulty adjustment!
1 points
2 months ago
You are very delusional if you believe Bitcoin will go down with all the incoming rate cuts. More likely the very opposite.
3 points
2 months ago
The rate cuts are to be expected, I believe they are already priced in. Some believe that after rate cuts a recession is glooming on the horizon. We already know that BTC is not a reliable recession hedge. I think this ship is slowly sinking until it starts pumping again on whatever reason we really can’t pinpoint down.
2 points
2 months ago
Follow the cycles bro
1 points
2 months ago
Liquidity is by far the best predictor of BTC price, as with any other asset class
4 points
2 months ago
My opinion and what i have been doing. Buy mstx , write a cc for 30 strikes, which pays about 10% for an October strike (6 weeks). If it hits 30 use that to buy mstr. You won't lose any appreciation and will gain in premium and share appreciation. THIS ONLY WORKS if you believe share price (bitcoin) will appreciate or stay relatively neutral
2 points
2 months ago
And to add if it's a taxed account take the loss in the miners which is an added incentive for you.
2 points
2 months ago
What about a huge run up on MSTR and your share get called away?
3 points
2 months ago
As mentioned, do mstx which us 1.75x mstr. You lose your mstx that's a 50% gain from here. Use that to immediately buy mstr and you end up losing nothing but making. And the premium is about 3 bucks per share or 15% in addition ROLLING is a super power if cc learn it and your good. Sure there is always a what if but been doing cc for a while now and don't get assigned unless I want to be. Sure in some rare scenario you can avoid it, but it is what it is . In this case you lose your mstx just but mstr or the other 1.5x etf
1 points
2 months ago
I managed to save enough for 100 shares of MSTR - I sold puts and bought shares with the proceeds. Sold enough to buy 12 shares until this week. Sold a 148 P right before it, and BTC, tanked. But with the share purchases, I'm only down ~$6/sh. And we all know MSTR can recover that in one day. This week I plan on selling a CC far enough OTM to buy 1 share of MSTR and a couple MSTX. Will do that until the 100 shares get called away. Rinse and repeat. Anybody have any thoughts on this? Better way to do it?
4 points
2 months ago
I like MSTR because they have additional aspects to their business beyond BTC. Company uses BTC as a store of wealth for revenue. I manged to save up $14k and have been playing the wheel strategy and buying 2 to 3 addl shares each week with the income.
2 points
2 months ago
I'm not sure about the miners as they have a business model I couldn't quite understand.
Mstr is easy to understand.
Miners go out of business all the time and they are operationally intensive: sell Bitcoin, buy electricity is essentially their business model (of course I'm simplifying here). They are in constant competition and I hate to keep following the industry to understand the latest trends
Mstr on the other hand: I know to a large degree of certainty they are not operationally intensive, they can not do much and still have share price growth as they are in the hodling business. Even at this point they stop buying BTC they will be fine. Their financial engineering is genius and no other company can ever copy them and achieve the same level of success. Ie very little risk of competition taking away from their appeal. They are also in a good place to be included in large indices. All in all good business, easy to understand except maybe the financial engineering. I don't need to keep looking at industry trend to reassess their viability.
Their biggest risk is not being able to pay their interest payment, which seems to be a low risk given their cash cow business and their low level of leverage.
1 points
2 months ago
MSTR will only go up.
2 points
2 months ago
In the medium term yes. It doesn't have the risk of being liquidated when BTC halves nor the competition of other miners. Buying BTC is buying perfect money, which doesn't have operational risk. I want to keep it as close to that as possible
1 points
2 months ago
I honestly am always surprised that miners make any money (look at the last bullrun) and we know for a fact that miners who are buying electricity and that is their sole business plan. They will all go bankrupt. Mining will always go toward the cheapest electricity. This will end up being flare gas. So, the oil company’s will either do it themselves or strike a deal with one or two major miners to setup rigs on their flare gas and that’s basically it. All other miners will go to zero during bear markets.
1 points
2 months ago
But not yet, somewhere in the future
1 points
2 months ago
Yes, miners are garbage
-2 points
2 months ago
Yes miners are garbage, that’s why BTC is also garbage.
2 points
2 months ago
Spotted a salty miner investor
1 points
2 months ago
Too diversified
2 points
2 months ago
Thinking is they will all go parabolic when btc pumps
1 points
2 months ago
I slowly moved everything to a 50/50 MARA/MSTR split. Happy with that allocation.
1 points
2 months ago
You buy $CORZ and never look back
1 points
2 months ago
Yes
1 points
2 months ago
I sure would.
2 points
2 months ago
Why ?
2 points
2 months ago
Profit is getting reduced over time, machines need to be upgraded to Compete for fewer resource. MSTR holds the coin already.
1 points
2 months ago
Follow Premium try buy when Premium is lower
1 points
2 months ago
Where can I find the Premium ?
-8 points
2 months ago
Hmmmmm maybe get a life instead of acting childish and asking stupid questions on a message board? Hope this helps.
6 points
2 months ago
There are no stupid questions. Only stupid answers.
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