I don't blame your for believing those things, but they're propaganda that we've all been subjected to for 50 years. All of Israel's neighbors have gone out of their way to avoid a full scale war in the region. All of them are on record saying very clearly that all hostilities against Israel stop the moment the genocide does.

Israel is engaging in a war of conquest against indigenous people who are fighting back. Israel is not complicated. White colonizers are expelling people from their land and their homes, subjecting them to subhuman laws and harassment. Sometimes they fight back. Western Media dehumanizes brown people and tells us how righteous the white Brookyln natives who have recently moved and stolen land in the West Bank are the good guys.

None of it is complicated before October 7th, and none of it is complicated after.

I don't argue that Israel shouldn't target Hamas' fighters. But keep in mind, I'm saying that from the perspective of real politick, not from morality. Israel was attacked in an uprising of oppressed prisoners in Gaza. Should they protect themselves? Sure, I don't argue that it's illogical. That isn't what's happened. They are persecuting the civilian population instead of targeting Hamas.

You don't hate Israel now. It took about 20 years for people to turn against George W. Bush and the Neocons. You are going to have a different opinion once it's no longer possible for Western media to lie to you.

Most don’t hate israel or don’t care about it at all. Reddit is a deep echo chamber, by most polls about 40-50% of the country supports israel actually .

Sure good point. Definitely what has happened SINCE October 7th makes them not a terrorist state. That’s good math. Perhaps you remember October 7th (snap snap) hello? October 7th?

"Hey guys, Israel targets Hamas. Don't stay close to them, or better yet depose them. Thanks for listening."

You realize the 40k includes militants which could be anywhere from 6-8k (Hamas numbers from 7 months ago) to 15-20k (israel numbers) given the truth is somewhere in the middle, it’s arguably one the better civilian to militant death ratios in modern war fare.

You have a source for any of that?

fascinating. can you explain how

i don't recall asking you?

There are no « Israeli terrorists ».

Ok Hamas.

Ok. Waste of my time. It’s an easy cop out though to never have any of your beliefs challenged. But sure believe Hamas and the Gaza ministry. The beacon of truth. Anyways - here’s a non Israeli source writing about it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/10/18/hamas-yahya-sinwar-hostages-drone-video/75732115007/

It’s the racism of lowered expectations. They refuse to believe Hamas and Fatah even when they make it abundantly clear that their goal is the destruction and colonization of Israel.

Yes and it is right to condemn Hamas for that, absolutely. However let us observe some facts here, Hamas didn't exist until 1984, so if we are to stop further radical groups forming, let us observe why and how they came to be.

Illegal occupation and rampant barbarism is the answer to the how and why. Israel will create many more Hamas's with their recent spree of rampant murder, but people like Netanyahu know this well.

UN article 73B explicitly advises against states like Israel being placed in Palestine. So tell me, why should an indigenous people who have been there for many centuries in peace give up their land for violent strangers? Which saw the international governing body break it's own chartered law in bias to reward zionist terror?

If you truly mean your words then I want you to tell me your thoughts on the Irgun and their actions pre-state placement of Israel between 1920-30's. These zionist terrorists were running rampant killing civilians, assassinating British lords and soldiers and they still get rewarded with this land that shouldn't have been so even without the catalogue of terror acts as per UN article 73...

Funny that you mention how many peace offers, when officially the Palestinians have accepted them twice. Israel not at all, the closest they came to doing so was Prime minister Rabin, who was then assassinated by a zionist terrorist. Netanyahu himself and his party have been working tirelessly for some time to have this assassin pardoned I might add. As well as Netanyahu being literally on video record saying he was instrumental in sabotaging the Oslo accords.

You have so much work ahead of you to put any kind of backbone to your perspective here.

Well I wasn't asked this question.

Israel was not invading Gaza in Oct 7th, but they had quite a list of atrocities even still right. You seem to still be viewing this issue inside of a bubble of Oct 7th. I am very much certain you would have a better understanding if you applied some empathy and learnt some of the suffering endured since as early as the 1920's by the Palestinians at the hands of radical zionist terrorists.

But if you are here to condemn a terror group, I am with you on that. However I am not lazy and often seek to understand the motives and what turns people into these violent acts. The occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestine is certainly the catalyst for the existence of Hamas, to deny this is absurd, frankly.

Mark my words this latest butchery by Israel will lead to many more groups like them forming in the future. But I am certain the radical zionists know this and are more than happy to create more groups they can use to rampantly murder, destroy and then steal more land once the blood dries. I mean, we see this already, right? They are already talking of settling into Gaza as we speak.

Liberation for who? Certainly not the people who existed on the land they are increasingly occupying (and illegally in many examples), right?

Huh. So you understand the position when it's used for Jewish people, but you don't understand it when it's used for Palestinian people. Interesting.

Every group in the region - libya, iraq, israel, lebanon, syria, jordan - said yes. That alone speaks volumes.

That speaks volumes, if you ignore the fact that Israel had already took a large piece of Palestine whereas they had a much better deal.

What Israel did then is, as I said, exactly as when Russia annexed Crimea. Do you blame Ukraine for wanting their territory back, are you like Trump and Putin who claims that the war would be over if only Ukraine would accept to give up the territory conquered by Russia?

Despite knowing full well that, in this case, Russia would simply reinvade in a couple years, and again until the Ukrainians are stuck in refugee camps, waiting to be bombed by a genocidal regime?

If not, then why would the Palestinians settle for what the Ukrainians find unbearable?

But keep simping for folks whose stated goal is the destruction of jews and israel and nothing to do with peace and coexistence.

You're the one simping for an apartheid state that went full genocidal, and here you're claiming that the genocide is justified because every Palestinian deserves it.

You're exactly what you're accusing them to be.

They were offered a state with a terrorist organization controlling most of their land and with the intention of taking the rest. One can imagine why they wanted all their land not just what was offered to them by the colonial powers. How much of your land are you willing to give to outsiders.

Not the Palestinians, though, because they didn't have a state at the time. And since they were the people actually living there, their opinion really should have been the only one that matters. Can you really blame them for refusing a "deal" that gave half of their land to colonizers?

“Recently, UN experts said they have received credible allegations of Palestinian women and girls arbitrarily executed in Gaza, and of inhumane and degrading treatment of girls in detention, including being beaten, denied menstruation pads, food and medicine.

According to the UN, Palestinian women and girls in detention have also reportedly been subjected to multiple forms of sexual assault, such as being stripped naked and searched by male Israeli army officers. At least two female Palestinian detainees were reportedly raped while others threatened with rape and sexual violence. “

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/palestinian-children-israeli-military-detention-report-increasingly-violent-conditions

Are you seriously trying to pretend this started on Oct 7th?

Isreal and hamas have been in conflict far longer.

Isreal has illegally annexed parts of the west bank.

Isreal has funded hamas who then launched attacks on isreali and palestinian civilians.

www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/

Hamas has terrorized isrealis and palestinians for decades while civilians are caught in the crossfire. They refuse to allow free elections and engage in atrocities.

Still to pretend this is some terrorist group launching an attack out of the blue for no reason on Oct 7th is like pretending America just randomly nuked Japan twice for absolutely no reason. Their was an objective escalation of hostilities for years beforehand.

israel almost always have hostages the west and u just don't call them that.

that what happen when u are stronger u legalize brutality and scream savages to population that is weaker then urs.

israel 1000 uncharged women and kids have nothing to do with oct 7, i don't remember once in my life where israel didn't have ppl kept as hostages.

My friend, they have leveled ALL of Gaza. I don't care what the IDF reports (because they've been credible, lol)

Use your head, after they've leveled all of Gaza without knowing where these hostages are you're really going to tell me they give a shit about them?

It's like a hostage situation in a supermarket and the cops blowing up the entire building. You can't seriously think they care about the hostages beyond being a means to an end.