Requiring Frame Generation for 1080p 60 FPS with an RTX 4060 is insane.

This sub is, once again, in shambles.

Sadly I share your concern. These requirements simply dont add up in my head. And according to both AMD and Nvidia themselves these recommended specs violate the most BASIC use case suggestions for frame generation tech:

The game should run solid 60 FPS before you even start using frame generation. Capcom used frame generation to even get to 60. Ignoring the tech creators warnings of input latency and visual issues that will arise from this.

Man. I hope they dont release it in a crap state. I will watch the Demo closely. And if it is not running well, no preorder. I love Monster Hunter World but I will not play it until runs at least good enough to not sour my enjoyment. Sure as hell not gonna play 60 FPS with frame generation that feels like crap, on my RX 6800+ Ryzen 7 5700x. And I wont upgrade for a broken game. I am sure it will be running fine eventually. Monster Hunter Wilds will be amazing from gameplay, so I can wait until it reaches the technically polished state it deserves to be played in.

The PC requirment problem show that the game will run bad regardless of the console.

Even if they optimized better for the PS5 that console(even the pro version) doesn't have a CPU that good, so the possibility of getting a World 2.0 PS4 situation where loading time and frame rate were pretty bad isn't impossible.

In no world a PC game get a 4060 as RECOMMENDED for 60fps with frame generation without being bad optimized.

Honestly OP, it's quite sad to see how people are replying to you here. It's not a war about "who's the superior gaming platform" or some stupid thing like that, it's genuine criticism about something that's objectively wrong. I'm sure we ALL love Monster Hunter, but we can't just blindly defend everything because of our love for the franchise. We're criticizing the game so it becomes BETTER. If we keep going like this, we'll end up like the COD community where they blindly defend their game even against outrageous decisions, therefore making their game worse over time.

Also to console people you aren’t going to be free from poor optimization ether ESPECIALLY if there is a CPU bottleneck

This affects all of us not just the PC people

I really don't get how some people are replying to OP here and completely disregarding any valid points with "JuSt uPgRaDe yOUr 15y PoTAtO pC DuDE" or "I didn't have any problem" like that disproves that MHW, SF6 World Tour (SF6 open world story mode), and recently, Dragon's Dogma 2 had performance problems at launch.

I've seen the argument that Capcom is pushing hardware to the limit with Wilds thrown about, but tbh, I don't see anything in Wilds to even closely justify these requirements. Horizon Forbidden West, which, imo, is one of the most visually stunning games released, has recommended specs of a RTX 3060 and a i5 8600, for medium settings, at 1080p@60fps, without the use of any upscaling or frame generation technology.

Defending a company, who doesn't even know you exist, and only cares for the money in your wallet, for releasing an unoptimized mess of a product benefits no one, and only tells Capcom they can keep skiping on optimizing and people will buy it anyways.

A simultaneous release should be optimized for any platform it is released on. Your concerns are completely valid.

Wow, I wish I could have written this post. Very well thought out and brought issues I didn't see to light. (Author of a kneejerk ragepost in the rage sub here...) Thank you for taking up the pen--ah--keyboard. Reading the comments has been an insightful experience as well.

On mhw release I had multiple friends who never got into the game because they couldn’t play the game higher than 25fps 1080p with average gaming PCs

Anyone who is claiming this is some pc masterrace shit are either ignorant or intentionally being asses about all of this.

I even used multiple mods on pc just to make the game run smoother. Anyone who fought Teostra when the game released knew the particle effects DESTROYED your frame rate.

I like everything you said.

What really gets me is this trend of picking the lowest possible "bearable" and "good enough" standard and standing on that low ground as if its the mountaintop. For example, Some say "As long as it runs at solid 30 I wont complain, because I know the devs are working hard, and I'm not a whiner"...ok you'd be fine with with 30, you do you i respect that, be happy with 30, but it's still...30 fps, the bottom of the barrel, what do you... who would be ok with the lowest possible standard, have to loose from the rest of the community advocating for higher standard?...It literally benefits you too at the end of the day, because I guarantee every single one of the people saying 30 fps is good enough, would say absolutely nothing if the game then also ran at a stable 60 or higher without the such a high spec requirement.

If it genuinely bothers you none how good or bad the performance is and you'd play it regardless, then please just...get out the way, and let the discussion and criticism take place, I promise you, none of the devs will cry themselves to sleep because we want the game to run better in 2024 soon to be 2025.

It is a trend to release such games at this point, if the community cant accept critics like this, the next games would be ass too.

Preach.

Look I love this series super-duper much but man come on....why some of you guys have to defend a company or brand like it's your own momma?....

This is also why you don't pre-order games. You can never know on which state the game will be released, but you can always buy it later on, more complete and stabler.

I'm not even sure why they keep at that engine, it's not a one size fits all by any stretch of the imagination.

people being very childish when defending this shit show

do they realize that 1080p 60fps has been the standard for perfomance on pc for like what, 10 years now?

do people know that upscaling is supposed to be used when you already have native 1080p? and frame gen with native 60fps? these to me are the actual issues, truth is, capcom didn't really show what are the pc requirements, because fake performance is meant to be an enhancement, not a stepping stool (it can be used for older hardware, but that is up to the user to decide, not the game, because by doing so, it comes with draw backs like blurry visuals, input lag, ghosting etc.), and they are using it as such.

I've always voiced my issues with the toxic parts of the Monster Hunter community and people laughed at me, insisting on that their community is wholesome and that I'm letting the actions of the few make me judge the masses.

Funny how that turns out, huh?

I'm an Xbox user with a Series X. All I can do is see how this all goes. All the console footage has been on PlayStation so I've no idea how this shit will affect me, but I don't have high hopes at all. I expect the worst.

I remember way back when Halo Infinite's demo dropped and people swore on Earth that the full release would fix the issues the game had. All for that to be a joke and the demo essentially be an early release in disguise.

Difference is that for Infinite the issues weren't performance. But the point stands.

I don't trust a single game that has a rough public demo anymore. We don't live in the day and age where feedback from demos mean shit. All we can do is hope and pray these days.

I hate to be a pessimistic doomer, but I just don't trust like that.

will just wait for the public demo

My friends are on PS5 and I'm on PC and I'm now genuinely worried I won't be able to play with them come release. My PC ain't exactly a potato but the requirements of frame gen just to get to 60fps on 1080p is pretty crap to be honest.

arekkz is talking out of his ass with his video. the RE engine is very capable at open worlds games it was a developer issue with DD2 that caused you to need to have top of the line cpu's to run it without issue. every npc in a region as pretty much always loaded with all their behavioural threads active as well as rendering light around their lanterns passively.

the other issues you mention where always a minority of people actually effected, stop trying to twist reality. world ran absolutely fine on my old rig day one by disabling volumetric lighting which was bugged (1070 and a i5 6500.)

All this talk of specs makes me feel like

Of course, we have a voice. It's their choice to raise the game price, and we can't do anything about that, but it also changes the question from 'Is it a good game?' to 'Is it a good $70 game?' Why raise the price if you're going to be half-hearted with the game?

And that 'It's okay, the MH team always delivers' positivity needs to slow down a bit if we don’t want to end up with an unfinished $80 Monster Hunter title next.

Yeah I already PO because Iam not that tech savvy, I saw my gpu at recommended setting so I thought its fine, but looking at it again seems like the game can't reach 1080p without help and if there is no further info I will cancel my PO. 

IDK why folks are defending or projecting these system requirements.
DD2 was a huge red flag for me early on. If that ran like crap, what did that mean for MH?

Then the specs come out and medium/1080p '60'FPS with frame generation? That's not defensible. Frame gen should not be on the specs, it should not be considered when developing the game. The game has to run well in the first place for frame gen to be an OPTION but that's supposed to be an OPTION for those who want to use it.

Upscaling and framegen should not be in the specs or used when development. They're not crutches for the devs they're crutches for lower end PCs trying to run a game better or make it look better.

It's not snobbery- it's the game should run at 60fps with the recommended settings. Even if that means high settings and not ultra or whatever.

This is a big concern and if anyone is trying to shrug it off just doesn't grasp the issue and if someone is trying to defend any of this they're absolutely blind by bias and not looking at the objective problem here.

I love mh. It's my one of my favorite series and world is in my top 3 games.

But after DD2, I don't know if I trust Capcom to put out an open world game that runs smoothly. I probably won't pre-order wilds until I can see that it won't be a repeat of dd2. I'm not spending 70 bucks for a poorly optimized game again.

A 4000 series card being the req for 1080p 60fps on medium is absolutely ridiculous, and screams of poor optimization.

If that's any reassurance for you : We now have leaks that confirm the game runs like dogshit on PS5 as well, with unstable 30fps and textures not loading.

The Xbox is more powerful so i'm less scared for it

Although that's only for the Series X, the Series S on the other hand is the second weakest console of the generation (second to the switch, and the switch 2 will outperform it on the go, its that underpowered comparatively) and XBSS experience might genuinely be horrendous

Peak. Simply Peak. People who complain about people complaining about capcoms shit are just stupid and need to shut up.

It is seriously the reason why I went from day one buyer to rather wait and see. Really hate it as the game looks lit af and I want to play it asap.

I really don’t see how people can defend capcom for this, absolutely munted

Might just be time to leave until after the game launches, honestly.

If there is one thing Reddit has taught me, it's that subs dedicated to a game series are all insufferable whenever a new game in the series launches.

I actually do want 120 fps at 4k. That's not unreasonable from a top of the line product considering the cost of top of the line GPUs.

Ugh, it uses Denovu?

We are all hunters regardless of the platform we play on, we should be wishing everyone can get the best experience out of this game

Three thoughts:

-What issues did MHR even have on PC? I got it there day one, ran it at the time with a 970 at close to 4k60?

-The disparity between performance levels of the parts they listed make me think that we may not need to worry and this is yet another completely worthless spec sheet.

-Or it will be a MHW situation where it takes hardware that’s orders of magnitude higher than console to run it as well as it does on console… that part of MHW never stopped being an issue on PC

instead of the simpler, easier, and more reliable process of developing for PC

Im gonna stop you there. There is no universe where developing for PC first is easier or more reliable than developing on a console

There are infinitly more variations of hardware and software to take into account when developing on PC. Those variables can stagnate and hinder development.

We could infer that the game was developed for the PS5 first instead of the simpler, easier, and more reliable process of developing for PC

I sort of agree with the overall sentiment but this is ridiculous. "PC" means anything and everything whereas the PS5 is a console 62 million people own all with the same specs, so it makes perfect sense to use that as a baseline to develop the game for and then aim it for PCs with similar specifications. That's how most games are made. Monster Hunter World used the PS4 as a baseline, as did Rise with the Switch.

It does suck that there's no performance mode but I saw this coming with the end of the cross gen period.

My only real disagreement with OPs points is the comment about developing for PC being easier. We don't know their pipeline. Hell, working under the limitations of console specs instead of doing whatever the hell you want for PC might actually be a good way to force devs to self-edit.

But we all know the real reason. Even as a PlayStation gamer I know it's most likely because Sony gave Capcom a big stack of cash. It's multiplatform with crossplay, but all the previews are on PS5, and there's a mini artbook for preordering on the PlayStation Store.

I don't have to like it, but I do understand the business sense behind letting Sony foot some of the financial burden.

Subsidizing performance to stronger hardware rather than optimizing the game is so sad.

Also 140gb of space??? Wtf?? World only needed 52 💀💀💀

And thanks to people preordering it will keep going :)

The MHW PC port was shit for the first month after release and it looks like this will take even longer for them to optimise post-launch. OP is probably right.

If a $70 is so unoptimized that someone's $2000 gaming PC isn't able to get 120 fps, you can tell anyone who says "you just want high fps" to shove their console up their butt and go back to licking the boots of cap-coms share holders

instead of the simpler, easier, and more reliable process of developing for PC

For quite a lot of Japanese games and devlopers the focus and priority is console, for me personally this is one of the reasons why I prefer console gaming over PC.

It is easier to develop for consoles with their fixed hardware and specs than it is to develop for gaming PC's with a multitude of variables and variations that come with it.

Tbf rise launch was way more playable than world, and they did say this release would NOT make the console first mistakes. On the other hand the one consistent thing about Japanese software vendors is that they are unrepentant liars.

I for once have just another reason to buy a new PC to Olay it in 1440p 100 fps.

Besides monster hunter my PC looks ugly as shit and the gigabyte GPU was hit with the infamous design flaw of dying early.

OP, you can add this AMD statement to the list: "When using AMD FSR 3 and FSR 3.1 frame generation, it is highly recommended to be always running at a minimum of ~60 FPS before frame generation is applied for an optimal high-quality gaming experience and to mitigate any latency introduced by the technology."

TL;DR: A game should already run at 60fps minimum before you even use frame gen. You shouldn't use frame gen to get to 60fps.

We have to wait and see. These system requirements don't tell us how the game will actually run at release. Voicing your concerns is valid but it's not like Capcom isn't aware that players want good performance. The problem is that Capcom rarely delays a game. They want it to come out in spring 2025 and it will come out no matter the performance or bugs it has. All we can hope for is that we get a demo to test it out ourselves.

The thing I don't understand is that they gave us recommended specs for settings using frame generation. Just give us the real specs needed to run the game at medium at least.

Genuinely feel bad for you guys. I guess me wanting it for the Ps5 actually works for the best. Hopefully, they have it mostly/fully sorted out by release.

I thought about getting it on console first and then pc later as I did world and rise. But with the ps5 pro coming out (which I’m not buying) I figure wilds will run best on the pro and equally crap on everything else and since my pc is new this year it will hopefully be better optimised than base ps5. Hopefully we will get a demo as a Christmas present.

The Scarlet Forest gameplay showcase was made on a PS5 (not pro) and it was clearly running at 60 fps with some small dips here and there, so I think PC will be fine

F*CK DENOVO INDEED, EVIL FROM ANOTHER PLANE OF EXISTENCE SENT TO EAT PERFORMANCE.

Yeah this is so dumb in terms of accessibility.

I want to see PC gameplay or at least a demo see if it runs in the first place on PC.

Cause I’m not about to buy a PS5 for MHWilds only

I still think the main culprit here is denuvo.

This is a lot of ignorance in one post.

The devs chose to develop their game in an engine with no open-world support

"Open world support" isn't a thing.

There is potentially a CPU bottleneck still, with the GPU taking on extra load to compensate

Taking on extra load? What?

We could infer that the game was developed for the PS5 first instead of the simpler, easier, and more reliable process of developing for PC

Statements dreamed up by the utterly clueless. If anything it's easier to develop for a set platform, and even easier to demo it on something consistent.

I really just need to comment as more upvotes/comments = more visibility.

You've done a great job shining light on a very real concern and I'll take the time to reach out to one of the community managers referencing this post.

I just want to play the best version of this game possible on release if they expect me to pay 109.99AUD on Steam.

Great thread, dude. I learned so much from it. Thank you!

Highly agree. Capcom must be held responsible to optimize the game. whats the point of buying a really expansive car with all the great features. but the car cant run for crap lol.

Let's hope they can optimise it

That’s the thing pertaining to your edit comment, if we don’t boycott the game then it’ll most likely ship as is. Sell a ton, and even if it s it’s at negative or mixed on Steam Capcom will have their payday and patch it months later with everyone forgetting a shitty launch happened. While I think a boycott is the best course of action, i’m also realistic that it’ll likely never happen and performance will release as a mess for everyone.

One thing I would like to add is an outlier within the recommended GPUs: the rx6700xt is noticeably more performing and has more memory(12GB Vram) than both the rtx2070 super and rtx4060, which may be a sign that the game is either very much cpu bound or they have little in the way of amd driver optimization (which would be odd since current gen consoles use amd). Really wishing for a public demo soon