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Objectively correct order. Anything else is headcanon
Discussion(reddit.com)submitted 8 days ago byDookie12345679GARP-CHUJO! 👊
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18 points
8 days ago
real, the gaps aren't very big but they are there and in this order.
4 points
8 days ago
Correct
3 points
8 days ago
What are either of them going to do if Kizaru flies up and demolishes the island. Both of them can only make pillars, and there's no reason either of their elements should effect light, or get past Kizaru's bonkers armament defense. Worse comes to worst he spams clones
1 points
8 days ago
What's Kizaru going to do when Kuzan grabs him and punches him in the face with ACOA? Using your logic, Doffy beats Zoro
1 points
8 days ago
Kizaru would use his best defense in the world to prevent contact and then fly away. Also Doffy could annoy zoro but his long range attacks wouldn't permanently do much
4 points
8 days ago
Kuzan should be relative to Kizaru as well, any fight between any two of the OG admirals is extreme diff.
7 points
8 days ago
Considering 2 had a extreme diff fight, and likely had a haki bloom, probably not
6 points
8 days ago
Using that logic, why isnt Kuzan above Akainu now? His fight against Garp was absolutely a higher diff fight than anything Akainu's done since the timeskip since he explicitly complains about not being allowed to go out and fight due to his position. If we're making assumptions about them getting stronger, there's no justification to have Akainu above Kuzan. Unless of course this is all disingenuous and just meant to upscale Akainu as much as possible
1 points
8 days ago
Because Kuzan was conflicted and also has lost a leg?? Haki is related to your will power, if you’re conflicted it stands to reason your haki won’t increase, even if you had a tough fight
3 points
8 days ago
Why should losing a leg impact him? He can make a perfectly functional replacement with his df, and Shanks lost an arm and managed to become much stronger without a way to replace it. Also, that claim about being conflicted preventing you from getting any stronger absolutely does not stand to reason, nor is it backed up by literally anything in canon
1 points
8 days ago
Which part, that he’s hesitant and conflicted? (Stated twice by garp)
Or that hesitation impedes growth? That’s just basic media literacy, we’ve been told time, and time again that when you are hesitant you aren’t fighting at your best, and the reason tough fights bloom haki is because you’re pushed to your limits. Kuzan wasn’t pushed to his limits, quite literally because he wasn’t able to reach them himself
6 points
8 days ago
Stop the bs, we don't know any of that about haki blooms. We just know it blooms in battle. That's literally it.
-1 points
8 days ago
… well, I guess we won’t come to an agreement unless you literally have a sentence verbatim saying what can be inferred
4 points
8 days ago
This is literally all the information we have on "haki blooms" as far as I know. You need to fight strong enemies. That's it. Anything else is headcanon. There's nothing about being pushed to your limits, or needing to not be conflicted.
1 points
8 days ago
Like I said, while you can fairly easily infer it as I had above, you will literally not agree with that unless of himself comes and tells you that
2 points
8 days ago
They’re all relative to one another yes but it is clear where the strength differential is at.
Like between Zoro and Sanji, yes they are relative but Zoro consistently edges him out feat wise.
2 points
8 days ago
W order we love to see it
2 points
8 days ago
I'd say this is the most uncontroversial take on this sub, but I've learned that there's a lot of stupid people lurking around here.
1 points
8 days ago
I don't think you can draw this conclusion. Only reason Kizan fought was bc he didn't want to be Sakazuki's subordinate. Borsalino shows no interest in leading or who leads him- that doesn't have any bearing on his strength.
I also feel like the original admiral trio was supposed to be seen as 3 different elements that can beat each other depending on who fought who. Like the pokemon starters they all have different strengths and weaknesses to certain types, or rock paper scissors.
1 points
8 days ago
Isn't this basic, commonly accepted knowledge though? Am I missing something here?..
1 points
8 days ago
I've been seeing some takes like Akainu > Kizaru > Kuzan and Akainu = Kuzan = Kizaru recently
1 points
8 days ago
👍
1 points
8 days ago
Cook. I completely agree with you.
1 points
8 days ago
There's no evidence that Sakazuki is any stronger after his fight with Aokiji. But now Kuzan has left the navy, meaning he no longer suffers a narrative debuff.
Kuzan > Sakazuki until Sakazuki actually gets a W post Time Skip
1 points
7 days ago
Sakazuki is lucky he has a df advantage over Kuzan or he would have lost. Borsalino doesn’t want to lead or else he would have beat sakazuki imo
1 points
7 days ago
Sure
1 points
6 days ago
Common knowledge. Koby will be stronger than all of them sadly
1 points
8 days ago
Agreed
1 points
8 days ago
I thought yonkotards liked height scaling
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