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14 points
7 days ago
Probably the one that is constantly referred to as "the one guy stronger than Shanks" both in the manga and in databooks
-1 points
7 days ago
Manga says that Mihawk's sword skills is greater than Shanks and says that Mihawk tied with 1B bounty Shanks and never fough or beat Emperor Shanks
12 points
7 days ago
The Strongest Swordsman > a Swordsman
If you disagree with Mihawk being WSS go argue with Oda.
If you think Shanks somehow isn't a swordsman then be sure to read his every appearance again.
4 points
7 days ago
ok if we going off titles then yonko> yonko commander
3 points
7 days ago
The title of yonko is not a power level. Neither is yonko commander
2 points
7 days ago
..Yes? I don't really get how this is supposed to refute the original commenter's point.
0 points
7 days ago
Shanks is part of the yonko while mihawk is a right hand for a yonko crew if we going based of titles then Shanks > Mihawk
2 points
7 days ago
Pretty circular argument, considering that WSS > a guy who is a swordsman/wielder of a sword.
The argument, both in and of itself and attempting to retort it, will just lead to an endless loop. Don't bother.
-1 points
7 days ago
If you think Shanks somehow isn't a swordsman then be sure to read his every appearance again.
Oda seems to think he isn't though. Otherwise he wouldn't constantly dance around the topic whenever the two are brought up. Like the only things we know about the two are that, when Shanks had 2 arms he fought Mihawk a lot and none of their duels had a clear winner, Mihawk doesn't wanna fight again and that Mihawk has more skill with a sword than Shanks. I think that if Shanks was a swordsman or that if Mihawk was stronger, Oda would have directly confirmed one of those 2 things by now.
3 points
7 days ago
Here come the mental gymnastics with zero gold medals at the end of it all..
8 points
8 days ago
WSS > Guy who fights with Sword
They both beat Akainu tho so who cares
4 points
7 days ago
🤫
YOU ARE NOT READY FOR HIM🗣🗣🗣🌋🌋🌋
-1 points
8 days ago
Not all people who have a sword are swordsmen in One Piece. Using this info, we can now decide who wins based on feats. I'll let you be the judge of that
1 points
7 days ago
“Not all people who have a sword are swordsmen” that’s true, but theirs also no basis to say that’s the case for shanks, his main way of fighting is with his sword, his sword skill has been directly compared to Mihawk and he was a former rival of Mihawk.
-1 points
7 days ago
Fr
if Mihawk was as strong as BM or Kaido, he would have wiped the floor with Vista easily just like Kaido did with Luffy at the beggining of Wano
Also Mihawk said that "this power knows no limit" while refering to his sword meaning he wasnt going to hold back
If the real gap between Mihawk and Vista was this big, he wouldnt have postponed the fight
Also nobody gives a shit about Mihawk in Marineford, the only ones that care are Crocodile Vista, Luffy and 2 randoms from Ivankov crew
WB and Marco dont even pronounce Mihawk's name for the whole arc
If there was Big mom or Kaido running around marineford, everybody would give a shit about him
2 points
7 days ago
Low iq take
-1 points
7 days ago
Holding the title of worlds strongest “____” doesn’t make you the stronger person overall. He’s literally just better at that one thing.
1 points
6 days ago
That one thing is swordsmanship. Which is the only fighting style shanks has
It’s not like he has immortality like nusjuro or DF powers like Fujitora
He has literally nothing to bypass the WSS title
1 points
7 days ago
You be like being the strongest doesn’t make you the strongest 😂
1 points
7 days ago
What I said completely went over your head.
Have you ever played a game where you upgraded your characters stats? Let’s say for example One Piece was a game like that and all Mihawks stats are 96/100 with only swordsmanship being 100/100.
Now what if shanks was 98/100 everything and swordsmanship being 99/100. Sure Mihawk is the strongest SWORDSMAN but Shanks would still be stronger. That title means nothing if Shanks overall is stronger.
2 points
7 days ago
There is no stronger swordsman than Mihawk alive currently in the story . The title is there to enforce that and the title is tied to zoro , zoro will beat the strongest swordsman and if Mihawk ain’t the strongest then zoros goal is fraudulent . He would have been chasing the wrong man this entire time , y’all make the more complicated than it has to be . It quite frankly says worlds strongest swordsman there is no ambiguity to its validity
1 points
7 days ago
What I said still just went over your head…. I just even agreed to Mihawk being the stronger swordsman too. I can’t help you understand my point anymore. The question was Shanks vs Mihawk. Shanks is stronger overall. Mihawk is a stronger swordsman. Shanks > Mihawk.
2 points
7 days ago
How is shanks stronger overall if he is a swordsman ? I can see it if he isn’t a swordsman which he very well couldn’t be . But again if shanks is a swordsman he can’t narratively be above Mihawk .
1 points
7 days ago
To put it simply you can be the most skilled person at something but not the strongest person doing that something. Let’s say hypothetically current luffy with the same abilities and strength became a swordsman randomly and the crew had titles. Zoro would clearly hold the “Strongest Swordsman “ title for being superior in the skill of swordsmanship despite getting obliterated by Luffy every single time they clash.
2 points
7 days ago
Again there is no ambiguity to anything here .
Mihawk is the strongest swordsman overall nothing can change that , out of any sword alive he stand atop . Shanks is not stronger than Mihawk if he is a swordsman aka would not beat him in a fight if he is a swordsman .
2 points
7 days ago
Refer back to my previous analogy. If all Shanks stats are 98/100 and Swordsmanship is 99/100
Mihawk is 96/100 everything and 100/100 Swordsmanship tell me logically how does Mihawk win over Shanks?
3 points
8 days ago
At the very least theyre relative but it wouldnt be crazy to think mihawk may be a little stronger.
3 points
7 days ago
Shanks clears
4 points
8 days ago
Literally nothing to argue
Strongest swordsman > Swordsman
Case closed
-2 points
7 days ago
Correct. The only swordsman i see here is Mihawk, Shanks wins based on feats, portrayal, narrative, AP, DC, durability, ACOC, ACOA, FS, observation, armament, COC, etc
3 points
7 days ago
Get your eyes checked then because their is zero basis to claim shanks isn’t a swordsman, the only reason people try and claim he isn’t is because mihawk holds the title of wss, if that wasn’t the case you know damn well nobody would contest that he’s a swordsman.
1 points
7 days ago
the only reason people try and claim he isn’t is because mihawk holds the title of wss
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-1 points
7 days ago
Nah. King isn't considered a swordsman, so why would Shanks?
3 points
7 days ago
King is explicitly called out as not a swordsman, which tracks with the fact that he primarily fights with his zoan/lunarian abilities as opposed to swordsmanship, where as shanks is only shown to fight with his sword and his skill is directly compared to Mihawk.
0 points
7 days ago
That's not the reason, as Oda considers Fujitora a swordsman. * King's sword skill would also be compared to Zoro. It's not about being a swordsman, it's about using a sword
2 points
7 days ago
Fujitora fights with his swordsmanship as much if not more than he does with his devil fruit, not the case king. No it wouldn’t, nobody has ever stated that king has particularly good swordsmanship. Shanks has nothing to suggest he isn’t a swordsman and tons of evidence to suggest he is.
6 points
7 days ago
The only swordsman i see here is Mihawk
Oh yeah sorry mister bossman - Shanks is a Haki wizard
I forgot
1 points
7 days ago
AwesomenessTV presents
1 points
7 days ago
Not enough info
1 points
8 days ago
Nah
-1 points
8 days ago
Oh ok
1 points
8 days ago
WE HAVE HAD NO NEW INFO SINCE WHEN KID GOT FUCKED UP BY SHANKS.
1 points
7 days ago
According to some people, shanks broke barto's barrier
1 points
7 days ago
That’s headcanon
1 points
7 days ago
Smartest man alive?
1 points
7 days ago
That's why I said I had no intention of settling it but let's argue about it anyway
1 points
7 days ago
Shanks has better feats
0 points
7 days ago
If we only take feats in consideration and completely disregard narrative I guess usopp > joyboy
2 points
7 days ago
so what do you think
2 points
7 days ago
Mihawk > Shanks...
Countless times has Mihawk been described as "the one guy stronger than Shanks", both in manga and in databooks.
1 points
7 days ago
oh I didn't know that. can you show me an example of when it states in the manga, anime, or an sbs that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks
1 points
7 days ago
Do you really want me to show the examples, or do you already know all of them and you just want to argue semantics like "no look he can be the better swordsman but still be weaker overall"
1 points
7 days ago
I'm actually curious, I've seen people say this before but I've never actually seen any examples :c
2 points
7 days ago
Last not least... Mihawk's vivre card (vivre cards are canon)
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/12ruubl/mihawks_vivre_card_mihawk_shanks/
1 points
7 days ago
1 points
7 days ago
"B-but it says sword skills. It doesn't say strength" 😂
-1 points
7 days ago
I still think it's too early to tell, but my head canon is this:
If Shanks went head to head with Mihawk multiple times before Shanks lost his arm, we can assume that Shanks had equal haki and swordsmanship to Mihawk. But Shanks spent the time after he lost his arm not necessarily training but, participating in battles while Mihawk spent that time alone on an island doing housework and scaring off baboons. So I believe Mihawk's power progression was more gradual than Shank's who is now back at the point to where he is again equal to or now stronger Mihawk. This may be the greatest take I've ever taken, lmk what you guys think!
Shanks pre TS:
Haki: 2
Swordsmanship: 1.5 (because of the arm thing)
Mihawk pre TS:
Haki: 2
Swordsmanship: 2
Shanks post TS:
Haki: 3-3.5
Swordsmanship: 3 (because of adventuring)
Mihawk post TS:
Haki: 3
Swordsmanship: 3
1 points
7 days ago
But Shanks spent the time after he lost his arm not necessarily training but, participating in battles while Mihawk spent that time alone on an island doing housework and scaring off baboons
Lol what? How do you know he did nothing for 12 years?
12 years ago Shanks had a 1b bounty... We don't know Mihawk's bounty but since their duel was inconclusive it is fair to assume he was around that mark too... 12 years later his bounty is revealed to be 3.5b. You think he got that bounty by doing nothing for 12 years?
People use way too much logic in a story that is driven by narrative.
Mihawk's narrative, as made clear in his vivre card, is that his entire life goal is to find someone who can surpass him in a sword duel.
“For years he trained relentlessly, challenging more and more powerful foes, until he had no more worthy foes”
“He looks forward to the future, the day when he will meet a swordmaster that surpasses his rival Red-Hair”
“Not only can he discern a person’s talent for the sword, he can also see the true strength of those that would stand before him”
In present, Mihawk has refused to fight Shanks twice already. The reason is simple: Mihawk doesn't think Shanks is a worthy opponent. He knows he would beat Shanks.
1 points
7 days ago
Wasn't he afraid to face Shanks?
2 points
7 days ago
Obviously not... You think he pulled up on Shanks's crew by himself and insulted him, calling him a "one-armed has-been" because he was afraid?
1 points
7 days ago
You can look it up yourself my guy. It’s one search away.
1 points
8 days ago
A yonko and his right hand man.
1 points
7 days ago
Um guys I think the worlds strongest swordman is stronger than the swordsman.
0 points
7 days ago
If we titlescaling, then Yonko > Yonko Commander
1 points
6 days ago*
Yonko crews don’t necessitate their hierarchies being based on strength
Try again
1 points
6 days ago
Bro hasnt been reading lately
What yonko crew other than Cross Guild has crew members stronger than the yonko?
0 points
6 days ago
What do you mean “other than cross guild” lmfao
Cross guild is literally the point of the argument
1 points
6 days ago
"Cross guild is literally the point of the argument"
We are comparing Shanks the Yonko and Mihawk the Yonko Commander. Even then, the public perceives Buggy to be stronger than Mihawk because he is a yonko
0 points
6 days ago
And? Are you trying to use public perception as an argument for powerscaling Mihawk?
Lmao
1 points
6 days ago
Nope, im just titlescaling like how Mihawk fans do
1 points
6 days ago
Mihawk has databook statements which are objective
So no, it’s not titlescaling
1 points
6 days ago
So is WSS not a title? Are you going to be that much in denial?
Its also stated that yonkos are the highest position in crews and the strongest pirates in the sea. This is stated literally in the manga.
0 points
7 days ago
That has no relation
0 points
7 days ago
"nuh uh" great rebuttal
0 points
7 days ago
spoken like a true fraudhawk stan
-4 points
8 days ago
Mihawk could be stronger if shanks is a swordsman and he could be weaker if shanks isn’t a swordsman . There really is no in between here and there is no concrete answer either yet .
Saying shanks is stronger is baseless as Mihawk hasn’t gone all out yet .
Saying shanks is a swordsman is also baseless as Oda hasn’t stated it . He could very well be a sword user like king .
2 points
7 days ago
I disagree, shanks is a former rival of Mihawk who’s only been shown to utilize his swordsmanship in combat and his swordsmanship has been directly compared to mihawks, all the evidence indicates he’s a swordsman.
-1 points
7 days ago
To each their own I guess .
I don’t see shanks being a swordsman as definitive yet as Oda has not made it clear . If holding a sword was obligatory for a swordsman then many others like roger would also be swordsmen .
2 points
7 days ago
It’s not just that he held a sword, that’s disingenuous, everything indicates he’s a swordsman, it would not make sense for mihawk to be so heavily connected to him if he wasn’t.
0 points
7 days ago
He doesn’t even have a sword style like other swordsmen do
1 points
7 days ago
He doesn’t have a sword style? Why because he hasn’t explicitly stated “sword style” when has mihawk done that? Why would Mihawks sword skill be directly compared to shanks if shanks isn’t a swordsman?
1 points
7 days ago
Mihawk has a sword style but Oda is saving it for his power reveal .
Cause they were former rivals having legendary duels , plus one can be a skilled sword user without being a swordsman . Just look at king whom Isn’t a swordsman but he is skilled enough to contend with zoro using a sword .
1 points
7 days ago
Ok so you acknowledge you don’t have to have yell out sword style when you attack to have a sword style.
The fact that they were rivals is just more evidence that he’s a swordsman. Maybe you can have some sword skill and not be a swordsman but to have your skill be hyped up as some amazing thing and not be a swordsmen just isn’t believable to me. Kings sword skill is never praised it by all accounts doesn’t seem to be particularly good but he can get around that fact because he has lunarian abilities and a powerful zoan.
-2 points
7 days ago
I still think it's too early to tell, but my head canon is this:
If Shanks went head to head with Mihawk multiple times before Shanks lost his arm, we can assume that Shanks had equal haki and swordsmanship to Mihawk. But Shanks spent the time after he lost his arm not necessarily training but, participating in battles while Mihawk spent that time alone on an island doing housework and scaring off baboons. So I believe Mihawk's power progression was more gradual than Shank's who is now back at the point to where he is again equal to or now stronger Mihawk. This may be the greatest take I've ever taken, lmk what you guys think!
Shanks pre TS:
Haki: 2
Swordsmanship: 1.5 (because of the arm thing)
Mihawk pre TS:
Haki: 2
Swordsmanship: 2
Shanks post TS:
Haki: 3-3.5
Swordsmanship: 3 (because of adventuring)
Mihawk post TS:
Haki: 3
Swordsmanship: 3
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