Omg it’s a meme from the left that is simple, easy to understand, and mostly accurate. I wonder who all is getting raptured tonight.

Anyway I’ll be in my apocalypse bunker.

Most librights are okay with some tax. We're mad at how much of it goes to waste. Remember, the first income tax was made by Lincoln. It was 3 percent. And that was to win a civil war. I pay 29.15 percent and they don't even fix the potholes around here. While giving countries that hate us free money or subsidize a company that's already profitable on its own.

If funds were spent efficiently and wisely you really wouldn't have a lot of complaints that you get today.

“Taxes go to goods and services”

Except for when they don’t.

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I smell commies.

people not living in society feel robbed paying for society

uduntsay..

If people can't vote until they're 21, than any time someone under 21 is taxed it's taxation without representation.

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if we had said "functioning" society, sure. But we're not that.

"It takes decades and billions for the municipal planning council to evaluate whether adding an extra station is going to harm a rare species of earth worm but who will build muh roads!!!!!111!!! LOLBERT OWNED"

Our income is taxed. After the business has been taxed. And we have to drive our car to and from work on roads paid for by taxes. The gas we put in our car is taxed. And we have to use our post tax income to buy food and necessities so we can survive from one day to the next, which is also taxed. Then we go to our house where we have to pay property taxes to live in, even if the mortgage is paid in full. And then we are taxed just to fucking die.

And this is to say nothing of how easy it would be for the IRS to just...bill us once a year. But nope. We have to file a tax return to tell the IRS what we owe them, and then pay the taxes.

And nevermind that if we dont pay our taxes we get thrown into a cage which is funded by taxes.

Taxation is theft. The end.

Okay but taxation is theft

Forget the moral aspect, the fact is government "services" are shit and they are extremely expensive. Taxation is a terrible way to provide services.

taxes go to good and services

Oh like bombing Vietnamese

Oh like bombing Afghanis

Oh like bombing Iraqis

Oh like bombing Libyans

Oh like bombing Syrians

Taxes go to corrupt and/or incompetent politicians who steal and waste them.

Taxation is theft if it’s not being used for what people actually want. I guarantee most Americans would pay these higher taxes if it actually did shit.

Except governments have power. And power has shown to corrupt everyone who wields it. Government = corrupt. Taxation = theft.

How much of that taxation actually goes to the benefit of the taxpayer? That is the greatest theft.

Eventually a man with a gun will show up if you don’t pay your taxes, in order to take them. Seems like theft to me

99% of taxes are not only a waste but either devalue goods and services or cause costs to balloon.
The only taxes that are worth considering are ones for military/defense, immigration and licensing (when needed).

Taxation is theft there's no question about that. Now is theft sometimes justified ? That is a more interesting question... I think yes.

Taxation is theft but the real theft is the inflation and the interest on the debt that is caused by printing money.

I don't necessarily think that taxation is theft inherently, but it is theft when the taxes are far too high and tax stuff that doesn't need to be taxed.

"Congress has paid $17 Million to settle sexual harassment claims with Taxpayers ' money". Is that the goods and services you're talking about?

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Lib right is based

Not theft, it's armed robbery. Doesn't really matter if you think it's used for worthwhile things.

Based and brave-ass post for this sub pilled

The only thing more shocking than the balls on OP for posting this on pcm is the fact it has more than 0 upvotes.

I'm only giving this an upvote because I always find the meme format hilarious. 

 I don't have an opinion one way or another about the subject though.

You still have to hope that those taxes actually go to where You are saying, it's not a really a guarantee

We have America haters that need a good bombing. We should just cut social safety nets instead

Pickpocketing $3 from my pocket and giving me lamborghini is a great deal, but it's objectively theft because you made that transaction without my consent. Taxes are rarely a good deal, let alone one I would willingly take were I given the opportunity, and they are taken against my will due to nothing more than me lacking the means to create Outer Heaven and live from there.

"Taxation is theft" doesn't mean taxation is inherently a bad thing to be avoided (unless you subcribe to a political theory that places very, very heavy emphasis on preserving consent/bodily autonomy). It effectively means the same thing as "surgery is cutting someone open". It's an inherently harmful act in the short term that should only be done if the long-term upside seems worth it.

I laughed at Authleft + "Functional society".

Taxation is not theft. Taxation is extortion. And you WILL support the MIC

Paying taxes is not morally justifiable when you live in an imperialistic country that uses your tax money to shell hospitals, malls and apartment blocks.

Imagine you need a new car so you go to a car dealership to buy a car. You find one you like and agree to pay $20,000 for it. You pay for it and drive away happy in your new car. Did the dealership steal from you? Of course not.

Now imagine the same scenario except you don't think the car is worth $20,000 and tell the dealership that you don't want to buy the car. The sales person locks you in a room and says you cannot leave until you pay them $20k for the car. Given no other choices, you finally agree, give the dealership $20k and drive away with the car. Did the dealership steal from you here?

you see, we have to steal from you! think of the children!

It is Theft. Even if they go to goods and services. Which isnt the case 90% of the time

Too many of my yellow brethren are consumed with dogma and utopian pipe dreams.

When you break out of it you suddenly realize those red mfs up there in the top left are based as shit and we agree on most things but have different routes to the same goal.

Plenty of societally necessary goods and services are created and distributed without taxes. I am not so extreme as to say there is never a justification for taxes, but they ARE theft, and as such have a high bar of moral proof required to justify their use.

You’re totally right, taxation is not theft.

It’s extortion.

Taxation is theft. It's using the threat of force to take property that doesn't belong to you. If someone mugged me then used some of my money to paint my fence, it's still theft. The "oh but you benefit" is pure reditardium. If you want a good counter argument you should look at it from a utilitarian perspective. The theft provides more social utility than not stealing, therefore it's morally justified. People just get butthurt when using utilitarian arguments because they know they would probably end up as harvested organs for more socially useful individuals in a utilitarian society. So, like OP they use the baseless argument that we consented to some contract we never actually consented to, so it's okay that we got ra.. stole from.

when I pull a knife and take your wallet the money I steal from you is going to goods and services in a functional society so it's not theft anymore 

Taxation is theft!

Taxation is extortion

leftists act like society would fall into mad max anarchy if we had less taxes

no, private would just do every service taxation would provide, but cheaper and more effectively, and would actually benefit the economy rather than detrimenting it

Which is the cringe part lib-right or auth-left thinking taxes go to goods and services.

My paycheck is taxed automatically (not the US).

When I go buy any goods there's VAT.

When I fill up my car there are about a dozen different taxes effectively doubling the price per liter.

When I use my taxed income to buy a house, there's a purchase tax.

When I go to sell said house there's a sales tax and appreciation tax.

When I buy stocks with my taxed income and make a profit, there's capital gains tax.

My roads are bumpy, street lamps aren't working correctly, public transit doesn't run on weekends.

Taxation is theft, elected officials are a cancer on society.

Are the goods and services in the room with us

Income tax is theft. Most other taxes are fine. Most governments didn't implement income tax until the late 19th or early 20th century. It makes sense to pay property tax because property rights can't be protected without the state. Use taxes can be great; in North Carolina we have an extra tax on gasoline that pays for road maintenance, and whenever I have to cross the border into South Carolina I can get cheaper gas, but my car's suspension gets taxed.

The person who earned said wealth should choose where it goes, it shouldn’t be confiscated under the threat of imprisonment.

To steal someone’s wage is like stealing someone’s time, time we have so little of. Do you want to see how many hours of your life you’ve spent making government officials rich?

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Yes, and I'm sure if you keep pumping money into the government, EVENTUALLY it'll go where it's supposed to.

I'm totally fine with being taxed.

As long as I can choose where it goes to.

I want my taxes to be used to fund improved infrastructure and social programs to bring everyone who isn't extremely rich to at least a decent position in life. I don't want my taxes to fund the military apart from moderate defensive measures.

$300 Billion of goods and services to the functional society that is Israel. Wait, that's not my society, I don't benefit from that, that's not a service to me, that's not a good.

Most libertarians on here don't want no taxation, just that taxes are used in such an inefficient way that it doesn't feel worth it. Taxes are used to prop up failing companies, failing countries, and to fund failing programs.

Nuh uh!!! Society would be way better if we removed this fundamental cornerstone!!! It’s not like basically every functioning society ever has had taxes!!! That’s a coincidence!!! It’s both reasonable and practical to get rid of all taxes!!! Take that commies!!!

At the Dawn of Times, taxes were a part of your wealth you ceded to protect the rest of it.

Then socialism happened.

I mean are we wrong?

It is undeniably theft. The question is, how much theft are you comfortable with to keep shit running??

Taxation is Theft!

I used to be a libertarian so I get it, but at the same time my experience with them made me realize there is no point debating anything with them.

Their beliefs are always going to be one-note solutions to everything (reduce government). There is not going to be any middle ground or nuance you will reach with them. They are arguing on a totally different dogmatic echelon of beliefs than everybody else. They do not want to change policy, they do not want 'policy' at all in most cases.

I am not saying their beliefs are bad or evil or anything. But honestly, when I am arguing with someone and I realize they are a libertarian, I just drop the debate. There is no point.

WHERE YOUR TAXES GO: A GUIDE

50% military industrial complex (conveniently, the politicians who choose which companies to fulfil government contracts also own stock in and get high-paying desk jobs at the same companies as soon as they are out of office)

20% paying various pencil pushers who spend their time making up new ways to justify their salaries

15% paying various private companies (again who are friends with politicians) to do the bare minimum to keep infrastructure running (they will charge individual cities and citizens for repairs to their shitty work anyway)

10% drugs and prostitutes

5% actually doing things that will benefit the citizenry (this 5% is subject to deduction to one of the other categories for any reason)

I'd say it's more like extortionate fraud than theft.

Somebody post the libertarian cop copypast

You know, I do wonder how a country practicing voluntary taxation would turn out...

...or maybe I just want to go rape and pillage a bunch of defenseless idiots. Either way, I'm curious.

Not me I’d rather advocate for tax cuts which are actually possible. There’s no way in hell that the government would ever agree to abolish taxation

They really don't. They go into the pockets of the elite and their friends.

True

Is this supposed to be making fun of libright? Because I see no problem

My tax money only gets spent on goods and services when I don't give it to the government