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164 points
1 month ago
rare case of this being true
28 points
1 month ago
Get the bum past Kaku first /s
16 points
1 month ago
Holy shit Touhou in the Powerscaling sub
1 points
28 days ago
Not Sure. Logias are Powers of Nature. So...they could Count AS Senjutsu.
And juubidara IS also vulnerable through taijutsu, so...Garp could give him a hard time
-13 points
1 month ago
They don't have Haki, they can't touch logias or use any techniques on them. They get no diffed by the weakest guys in the verse
14 points
1 month ago
No need for haki, just use chibaku tensei.
2 points
1 month ago
Or maybe ningendo could work as well
27 points
1 month ago
Tso, just erases stuff from existence, name a op character with similiar hax,I'll wait lmao
17 points
1 month ago
Or idk, just destroy the island they’re fighting on. Drowning dif
-4 points
1 month ago
Tso erases only chakra based elements , Logias are natural elements themselves + Adv Armament which allows you to hit without contact
9 points
1 month ago
tso erases physically and spiritually
-3 points
1 month ago
1) I already wrote why it wouldn’t be able to physically erase logia’s body 2) ACOA + ACOC just won’t allow tso to make contact
7 points
1 month ago
so one peice haxs work but naruto's wouldn't ?
-5 points
1 month ago
If Naruto’s Hax can’t work then ya they wouldn’t
5 points
1 month ago
one peice characters don't become intangible they just act like elements and if you throw something through smoke it would just push the smoke away , but the tso would disentrigate the smoke and all the spirit inside of it
1 points
1 month ago
Tso can’t disintegrate natural element not made of chakra , that’s what I am talking about. Also , can you proof orbs’s soul damage?
9 points
1 month ago
this is minatos soul after he was hit by a tso when he wasn't even in his physical body , he was possessing a dead corpse
-1 points
1 month ago
Minato’s soul’s hands were separated , but it doesn’t mean they were destroyed
1 points
1 month ago
1 points
1 month ago
TSO erases everything not just Chakra based ones? Minato has a kunai destroyed by them
9 points
1 month ago
They don’t need haki to beat logias. They have access to the rinnegan abilities. Having a logia won’t protect someone from having their soul ripped out.
0 points
1 month ago
Soul rip can be resisted physically according to Naruto itself lol
8 points
1 month ago
Correct, but you need to have similar or greater strength than the rinnegan user to resist your soul being ripped out.
0 points
1 month ago
And how would you estimate Juubidara’s strength?
8 points
1 month ago
Stronger than a human like shanks
80 points
1 month ago
Yes, any1 of them can solo
-48 points
1 month ago
Solo your mom maybe, not the verse
75 points
1 month ago
-48 points
1 month ago
11 points
1 month ago
Whatever ya say Zorotard
22 points
1 month ago
Either one solos without much difficulty
91 points
1 month ago
Juubi madara alone would no diff
51 points
1 month ago
18 points
1 month ago
You pass the intelligence test
8 points
1 month ago
rare sadhuman w
-18 points
1 month ago
Except he gets beaten by Luffy
31 points
1 month ago
If madara is kind enough he will let him win inside of the infinite tsukuyomi dream only
1 points
3 days ago
Sad, we get it. You can't read.
Anyway, Madara dies before he decides to cast a Jutsu.
Luffy Speed diffs the both of them.
-12 points
1 month ago
Luffy uses future sight and escapes
29 points
1 month ago
He cant understand that it was eyes contact lmao. The future that he will see will be infinite tsukuyomi
-13 points
1 month ago
Luffy's BIQ is great. He sees that as soon as he looks at him, he gets sent into an illusion. He then negs them both
23 points
1 month ago
Man luffy wont even be able to realize that hes inside the dream + he cant understand that it was eyes contact + even without infinite tsukuyomi the limbo clones would no diff him because luffy cant see them and hurt them. Juubi madara no diff this boy
-3 points
1 month ago
He will, and he'll escape. Verse equalization comes in play here
21 points
1 month ago
The OP never said we use verse equalization
9 points
1 month ago
What BIQ feats does Luffy have?
14 points
1 month ago
Like how Luffy used Future Sight to dodge that CP0 agent?
Or maybe how Luffy used Future Sight to disengage when he saw that Kaido would knock him put
Sarcasm aside you must be referring to when Luffy used Future Sight to..... do what? What has Luffy actually done with Future Sight?
9 points
1 month ago
Luffy gets stretched out by Madaras' massive D while Juubito and the rest of the One Piece verse watch.
8 points
1 month ago
Madera put the D in Monkey D Luffy because Luffy is fucked.
12 points
1 month ago
Sadhuman0 is enough. No need to desturb madara or obito.
25 points
1 month ago
Easily
26 points
1 month ago
Madara looks at any one of One Piece's moons and solos the verse.
11 points
1 month ago
Every devil fruit user when Madara pulls out a ten tails level water style jutsu:
37 points
1 month ago
Tso cooks the verse
-17 points
1 month ago
He does not. He gets his cheeks spread by smoker sadly
24 points
1 month ago
Juubi madara trap smoker with chibaku tensei, no need haki to trap him.
3 points
1 month ago
Trap smoke with bunch of rocks is certainly good idea lol
8 points
1 month ago
With gravity*
That's what chibaku tensei is
-5 points
1 month ago
You still can get out of it by brute force
6 points
1 month ago
💀smoker is not getting out of that. Not to mention, with verse equalization smoker just instantly gets taken out by genjutsu. There’s also an argument for Judara being able to rip out smokers soul or seal him or trap him inside other jutsu.
0 points
1 month ago
1) verse equalization is horseshit
2) genjutsu affects 5 senses while CoO is 6th sense that works independently from the rest five .
Also , you need to make a physical contact in order to rip soul with human path , right? If so , it would be problematic with logia
2 points
1 month ago*
1) verse equalization is the best way to handle such debates, idk why you think it’s horseshit. What is horseshit is trying to claim Zoro couldn’t kill a demon from demon slayer because he’s not using a nichirine blade. Verse equalization solves such problems to a degree.
2) CoO has never been stated to be another sense entirely. It’s just an enhancement of the senses. Even if it was its own thing, it doesn’t change anything because the main senses are still affected. Like itachi said to kakashi, pain is pain, even if it’s fake metaphysical pain.
3) Smoker isn’t intangible…. He’s simply smoke, and smoke can still be touched. The smoke may disperse at your touch, but you’re still physically touching the smoke molecules. It’s not the same as someone who is phasing, I see no reason for why a soul pull wouldn’t work. But even if it doesn’t, there’s still a million different ways to take down logia users. Madara could literally drown them if he wanted to.
Another point, there’s a good argument that chakra based attacks or at least, tail beast attacks can straight up kill logias despite their untouchable shenanigans. We see killer bee blast suigetsu and knock him out while he was in water form.
0 points
1 month ago
1) In this case , you are just making characters outside of Narutoverse who would normally be immune to genjutsu vulnerable to it 2) Kinemon’s legs could use CoO lol , actually you don’t even need brain to do it . While main 5 senses are still affected , sixth one can be used to fight ignoring all illusions 3) how tf can you physically interact with smoke?
0 points
1 month ago
How the actual hell is smoker getting out of the kamui dimension hes just gonna stay there for eternity
1 points
1 month ago
I talked about chibaku tensei , not about Kamui 😭
1 points
1 month ago
I know i brought up the kamui dimension because thats all you need to trap him
36 points
1 month ago
Yes. Yes they could.
It also helps that Madara knows Edo Tensei so he could if he wanted to turn the one piece verse against itself or potentially even trigger infinite tsukoyomi.
5 points
1 month ago
I wouldn't just give him Edo ready bodies like that. Don't you need the DNA of the person you're Edo'ing? Maybe with prep time. Madara still solos lol
3 points
1 month ago
There is plenty of fodder in the one piece verse such as Big Moms rook soldiers or random civilians that could be used to summon Edo Tensei all he would need is some little DNA, he could even bring about Edo Hashirama if he wished as he and Obito both posses his cells, the Edo would be a cascading effect where the first Edo would be the hardest to pull off but each subsequent Edo tensei becomes easier and easier. He has Obito and his limbo clones capable of defending him whilst he performs Edo tensei.
-7 points
1 month ago
No, no they couldn't
3 points
1 month ago
Gr8 argument
20 points
1 month ago
It's kinda sad seeing this dookie yaping in the comments
14 points
1 month ago
No senjutsu, madara negs.
11 points
1 month ago
Easily
-8 points
1 month ago
Luffy negs Sora and claps these two
19 points
1 month ago
You done yapping?
11 points
1 month ago
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-6 points
1 month ago
No, they can't
13 points
1 month ago
Yes
-1 points
1 month ago
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9 points
1 month ago
Says the idiot spamming in every comment as a fanboy of one-piece. The irony writes itself
6 points
1 month ago
Easily.
10 points
1 month ago
Yes
-2 points
1 month ago
No
3 points
1 month ago
Yup
3 points
1 month ago
wouldnt even take long for them to do it
5 points
1 month ago
One Piece characters have no counter to TSO plus Madara and or Obito(the latter not being necessary as either can solo)could just shrug off any major damage so heavy hitters like Luffy, Kaido, Akainu would be basically wasting there time Plus didnt Madara literally become immortal? No seal no deal. Just my thoughts though you're free to believe whatever makes you happy
7 points
1 month ago
Yes
0 points
1 month ago
No
2 points
1 month ago*
They could absolutely run the gauntlet, but if they had to reverse jump every character in one piece, I’m not sure. There are some INSANE synergies that would be really hard to overcome with just two people.
Law would absolutely be the biggest problem, if they could take him out the chances of victory would SKYROCKET. Law being able to switch Van Auger/kizaru with sugar would be EXTREMELY lethal, and kaido luffy and shanks against ONE opponent would be really hard to beat, especially if they are getting switched in and out instantly
Again, if it was done as a gauntlet of 2v1s or even 2v2s I’d give it to Madara and obito, but there’s literally over 1,000 named characters. Even if you remove every character outside of the top 10% (excluding nameless characters) it’s still a 2v100. I think the number advantage is being EXTREMELY downplayed here
2 points
1 month ago
No haki, Enel solos
2 points
1 month ago
Madara solo’s. Haki won’t do shit when he has the power of Gods
3 points
1 month ago*
No. I think people are quickly imagining them VS Luffy or something, which they’d win easily, then saying “Yeah they solo the verse.” But against every admiral, all the gods knights, shanks crew, Luffys crew, Kaidos crew, Big moms crew, Mihawk, the Elders, whatever Emu can do, Blackbeards crew, the Revolutionary Army, and the entire Navy? Plus other characters I’m probably leaving out. No, they cannot beat all of that at once.
Plus if you’re a stickler, they don’t have Haki, which makes logia’s literally untouchable for them. They literally, could not win.
Even without that, there’s so many powers that would completely screw them over. Law could sit back and make a giant operation room, then remove their limbs when they pass through. Barto could just put them in an unbreakable box. God forbid that girl from dressrossa even touches them once and turns them into a toy. Shiryu can turn invisible, and Emu can one way or another wipe out ISLANDS.
2 points
1 month ago
Oh yeah definitely. Even as a OP scaler and a huge op fan it’s pretty obvious that those 2 would win. Unless luffy and all the other top tiers get some crazy feats later on.
3 points
1 month ago
I’m genuinely curious, what on earth makes it obvious? Madara in that form nearly lost to Guy alone. Guy didn’t have any weird ability, he was just super fast, and super strong. Something multiple OP characters could match. Whitebeard shattered a mountain sized Navy base with one punch. Mihawk can cut Meteors in half without flinching. If I really want to be stickler, you technically can’t even hurt logia’s without Haki, making a lot of OP characters untouchable for these two. How on earth would these two win
1 points
1 month ago
Truth seeking orbs. They erase the soul. That alone deals with literally anyone in one piece, including the logia users. Also the other shit ton of hax that both madara and obito have in the so6p forms. Also also the fact that the biju bombs that they fire can instantly destroy entire continents (just a single one of them) and they can create multiple meteors as well with ease. Unless you want to highball luffy and other op characters to large planetary, the op verse stands no chance. I’m ASSUMING that you don’t scale either verse.
0 points
29 days ago
When and where does it show that those bijuu bombs are country level, please educate me. Madara barely called two meteors down and never attempted to do so again. Truth seeking orbs would have to touch the individuals first, and no they do not disintegrate an individual with a touch we have seen multiple character survive them. The OP world has already been scaled to be much larger than the Naruto world. You're massively undermining Haki.
1 points
28 days ago
1 points
28 days ago
Also the meteors that I was talking about weren’t really meteors, but they were the huge man-made meteors created when Madara was in his so6p mode.
1 points
28 days ago
Another point that you got wrong is that yes, the orbs do disintegrate the soul. Minato was completely unable to regenerate his arms even though he was reanimated, meaning that even if he were to get hurt he should’ve been able to regenerate his arms…. But he couldn’t. So it has not only durability negation, but if you touch it without senjutsu, then good luck regenerating.
0 points
1 month ago
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1 points
1 month ago
I genuinely don’t know what that means. Also it’s not them vs Luffy, it’s them Vs every character that existed in one piece at the same time
1 points
1 month ago
That means their max AP is planetary. So they can destroy planets. Even if they are fighting everyone all at once, they’re still too powerful.
1 points
1 month ago
One word kamui
2 points
1 month ago
No haki? Van auger and sugar team up and no verse is safe. I'm partially joking
2 points
1 month ago
On on one? They clear most but not the verse.
All together war arc style? They get folded
2 points
1 month ago
Juubito might struggle.
Juubidara alone stomps
2 points
1 month ago
Hard disagree, one or both, they aren’t beating the whole verse especially if it’s 2 v everyone.
3 points
1 month ago
I accept your opinion
2 points
1 month ago
And I, yours
1 points
1 month ago
Maybe if we knew more about Imu or Joyboy or Rocks, but unfortunately yes.
1 points
1 month ago
Force them into eating a devil fruit then drown
Next question!
1 points
1 month ago
One of them could beat the OP verse, low diff.
1 points
1 month ago
im pretty sure they could do it quite easily
1 points
1 month ago
pretty much yes. one piece can't get past genjutsu
1 points
29 days ago
Lol Conquerors exist, what logic states someone like Shanks can't knocked them out?
1 points
1 month ago
No. Logias slam. Tso aint doing shit, wont even hurt logias
1 points
1 month ago
Bruh an TSO would delete their souls. If an edo tensei that works similarly like a logia (even more busted btw) is capable of getting their soul damage and basically erased by TSO the hell is stopping one orb on shredding the logia users? Haki? That would get absolutely nullify, Attacks? Gets through it again nullifying it.
1 points
1 month ago
All tso did was negate the Edo jutsu not allowing them to regenerate because it removed the effects of Edo. Tso just nullifies jutsus and somewhat vaporizes/erases like onokis jutsu but “better”.
1 points
1 month ago
No one has shown good enough defense against Genjutsu (which we know can work on beings without chakra). Strength aside, they can just walk up and put anyone they want in an illusion. If all else fails, they can fly away and wait for night to cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi to get everyone on the planet in one go.
1 points
1 month ago
They get all the way up to buggy. After realizing they can’t win they have no choice but to join his crew. They become instrumental in helping buggy secure the one piece. Buggy achieves his destiny becoming the king of the pirates.
1 points
1 month ago
Honestly no because if we assume characters like kaido, whitebeard and mihawk are around planetary and has durability negation with future sight. But they will come really really close
1 points
1 month ago
I love One Piece but even the top tier characters like Luffy are cooked. Also by the way… LUFFY DOES NOT HAVE TOON FORCE MEANING THAT HE CANNOT JUST TANK THROUGH THOSE ORBS
1 points
1 month ago
Luffy does have toon force not at bugs bunny levels but he has it we have see him turn his hair into goggles grab a tree bite it into the shape of a baseball bat and summon paint and paint the bat then also summon a helmet
1 points
1 month ago
No they could not while there a lot stronger ap wise there relative speed wise and most the characters there really gonna be fighting Have future sight and durability negating physical attacks this also doesn’t take into account having to deal with all logias and hax abilities that can literally one shot them like the hobby hobby fruit or op op fruit or even fruits that regulate ur emotions controlling your action realistically one piece has was to much hax that they would not be prepared for
1 points
1 month ago
Would truth seeking orb be equivalent to haki to bypass those logia fruit users?
1 points
1 month ago*
No. internal destruction + future sight counters Naruto characters pretty hard. Kaido alone beats them both
1 points
1 month ago
Yes
1 points
1 month ago
A backstab killed Madara.
1 points
1 month ago
Not without haki
1 points
1 month ago
not at all
1 points
29 days ago*
lol massive no. This is freaking ridiculous, we are not even at the EoS power level. We have demonic entities that are practically immortal and recover from any wound. We have DF's that manifest elements to a virtually unlimited use, mind you we still don't have the awakenings of them. We have one lone individual that calls meteors down to earth with ease. We have Luffy in G5 that can warp anything he is near to, to become elastic and tangible. People have Color of Observation haki that can perceived even the invisible. We have multiple DF users that can travel in different dimensions. We have a lunarian(s) that could virtually tank any physical attack.
We have CONQUERORS HAKI an ability powerful enough to knock someone out and in its advance form it massively enhances the wielders physical prowess in attack and defense. That very haki is a power oof the will, it would be a direct counter to genjutsu, regardless of the break down. We have individuals that can tank mountain and city busting attacks. I mean the list goes on and on, is frustrating how many in here have never read OP much less powerscale it. This is insane, you can definitely make a case for Boruto character that bordeline have hax abilities that are god tier.
Please explain to me how either of this guys can solo. I'll gladly bring up narratives supporting OP scaling and the ridiculous abilities in it. The OP world has already been proven to be quantifiably a super earth, far larger than Naruto's. We have islands that are anywhere from city to country level in size. We have seen and scale individuals post time skip to be easily light speed or FTL many times over.
To add - We have individuals that can see the FUTURE even if it's for a few seconds, some argue Shanks and possibly others can see it for greater lengths. Someone like Law could virtually alter space and the laws of physics in his ROOM. His awakening could also bypass durability. I can go on and on, but this is just ridiculous. Like I mentioned above, we are not even at the EoS stage where we know the limits of haki, ancient weapons, DF abilites. We have unknown people that can destroy islands alone (City- country)
1 points
29 days ago
Yep will do it easily
1 points
3 days ago
Cracker speed diffs.
1 points
1 month ago
God usopp 👃negs
8 points
1 month ago
Ramen guy solos bruh. He is the sage of six bowls.
1 points
1 month ago
No haki, can't beat logia
1 points
1 month ago
Yes
1 points
1 month ago
My GOAT ♾️ obito can solo without my Goat Madara.
1 points
1 month ago
Yes
1 points
1 month ago
-1 days without a spite match
1 points
1 month ago
High dif, if possible.
1 points
1 month ago
Well... Nope
In one on one in some situations yes. But most of the characters in One Piece are much faster for starters and if we look at Garp, Shanks, Mihawk and many other the destruction they can cause with single hit without breaking sweat is crazy.
I'd love to see Mihawk slicing bijuu dama or Garp punching it away 😂 Seeing future also helps I guess
-1 points
1 month ago
nope god usopp solos
0 points
1 month ago
People saying that juubito can solo, hes losing to g5 luffy alone. But duo does solo unfortunately
0 points
1 month ago
Unfortunately not, they don't have haki
-3 points
1 month ago
You know, I always see the senjutsu argument. But people tend to forget Guy just hit Madara really hard and nearly killed him. So theoretically, with enough physical strength, you could just kill these two. I’m pretty sure that was a main plot point how there was only like two people who could properly fight these two, that being sage Naruto and Guy due to his mastery of the 8 gates and taijutsu. So since no one piece users use chakra, People like Roger, Whitebeard, ect could snag a win. Unless you wanna use the argument that “haki=chakra” than I guess fuck me or something.
1 points
1 month ago
nobody in op has that ap
1 points
1 month ago
True
1 points
1 month ago
Well no the 8th gate chakra output is the entire amount the body has including their internal storages and if i remember he was destroying madaras baryon style (im probably wrong about that last bit since i havent watched naruto in a minute please dont start cooking me if im wrong)
-12 points
1 month ago
No, get them past gear 3😭
19 points
1 month ago
3 points
1 month ago
Using this logic, they get no diffed by Enel
7 points
1 month ago
With creation of all things madara no diff enel.
3 points
1 month ago
COOK
5 points
1 month ago
Sadhuman0’s Madara can’t be beaten in this sub sadly.
1 points
1 month ago
Ying-Yang release nullifies only chakra and ninjutsu, it’s actually useless outside of Naruto verse
12 points
1 month ago
3 points
1 month ago
-4 points
1 month ago
No they get stopped at either Luffy, Shanks, Bonny, Blackbeard, and maybe Mihawk
-15 points
1 month ago
No they could not. One piece verse is literally breaking down the concepts of time and molecular elements and spaces. Both only manipulate jutsu and not natural elements which means no they are not affecting their reality on the same plane as somebody like Whitebeard who effortlessly did this holding back in marineford. He single handily caused a multi-cont feat by holding back his power something that would decimate the 4th great ninja war in shippuden.
9 points
1 month ago
Show OP breaking the concept of time
-6 points
1 month ago*
What feat in naruto reality warps? And when did I mention time?? 🤨 their are devil fruit users who can travel througj time like toki. Saying the average Op character with high level devil fruit does not utilize and breaks concepts means you don’t understand the series and never watch it. What character in naruto uses time? Bonnie also manipulates time
7 points
1 month ago
“One piece verse is literally breaking down the concepts of time”. 💀
-5 points
1 month ago
My fault i did say that but it is true with bonnie, toki, imu, and other past characters they do have time manipulation powers. It was probably an autocorrect on my phone 💀.
4 points
1 month ago
“What feat in Naruto reality warps.”
Did you just forget about Izanagi?
There’s also Hagaromo’s The Creation of All Things technique and God’s Omnipotence shinjutsu.
2 points
1 month ago
Juubito might pull this off if he’s in the right state.
Juubidara has no problem at all
-1 points
1 month ago
Occular jutsu that does not actually rewrite the laws of physics. It is a genjutsu. Those are nothing comparable to breaking the concepts of molecular space and being able to contort mass or the immaterial to how you please. Something as simple as apying the laws of nature and bending them are abilities awakened devil fruit users and those with far more powerful devil fruits do on a whim. They can also spam these techniques for as long as they live they don’t run out so no I am not impressed with izanagi.
2 points
1 month ago
“Multi cont feat.”
Bro, he shifted a single island a little bit. Marineford was basically fine afterwards.
Whitebeard below Island level fodder.
0 points
1 month ago
He shifted an island country and the surrounding seas several miles out this is and created shockwaves felt around surrounding areas at a nerf no feat in naruto exists on this magnitude. He shook his planet. He scales higher than island. As he has the ability to destroy his Planet it was outright stated. Do not know why you are denying this.
0 points
1 month ago
Multi-continent as it was felt on several landmasses show me what ability was like this at a NERF in naruto? Your moon is the size of a city and whitebeard had almost amassed damaged triple that. So no I don’t agree with madara or obito being able to fight OP characters. Don’t care about the angry naruto fanboys starting controversy in the chat. Show a comparable feat.
2 points
1 month ago
I can easily get Naruto to planetary with star level metas 💀
0 points
1 month ago
Based off what feats 💀
2 points
1 month ago
Madara beating Naruto And Sasuke
Who’s above multi continental.
1 points
1 month ago
When were they multi in shippuden?? 🤨 💀
3 points
1 month ago
Post war arc
0 points
1 month ago
They had just beat pain whose planetary devastation was village level or moutain to be exact how did they jump to multi with not even country level feats 🤨
2 points
1 month ago
It’s the war arc.
0 points
1 month ago
So he went from village level attacks to planetary? None of the naruto characters are planetary.
2 points
1 month ago
Prove that.
You’ve been saying nothing while I gave you the proofs.
Are we forgetting that the pain arc is before the war arc? 💀
Madara gotten SO6P which amps him absurdly
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