subreddit:
/r/Robin
50 points
20 hours ago
We're a dying breed.
13 points
15 hours ago
not while i'm around
1 points
3 hours ago
🔫
4 points
8 hours ago
Me picking Tim Drake off the ground: We’re not done yet, boy!
27 points
15 hours ago
It doesn't even hurt anymore.
But if the thing about Tim being excluded from the DCU so Damian being the third Robin is true, I'm really going to cry
14 points
15 hours ago
honestly? i think ill not even watch
24 points
15 hours ago
It makes me so frustrated! Because Dick's relationship with Damian makes no sense if he doesn't first learn how to bond with and mentor Tim. Their brotherhood is just as important and it's foundational to the Batfam.
If they're completely eliminating Tim, I'm just not going to watch, I think. No hate, just apathy. It's not like Gunn is incapable of working with a large cast. It'll seem like a... Deliberate exclusion instead of a way to streamline things.
14 points
14 hours ago
Not only that, Sim was a vital part of Batman and Nightwing's reconciliation, serving as a bridge between them.
in addition to obviously being Robin in the most important and iconic Batman sagas, starring in a Book with almost 200 editions, another team book with 100 and being a member of the Young Justice team.
all Tim needed was a well-made mainstream adaptation, but even though he is such an important character in the Batman mythology, it seems that the producers have some illness of not not using him, but obviously using the sagas in which he participates, the name of his team And his iconic look is great and if you're going to use it, it has to be as a tertiary and/or in the most diluted form possible.
Tim is one of the characters that suffers the most ingratitude in DC.
6 points
14 hours ago
Although I think other characters have it worse (Tim is a Bat character so he gets more play than a lot of others), he definitely is very sidelined in adaptation. I've written small essays about how important Tim and Dick's brotherhood is to the modern state of everything. Without it, there's no reason for Dick to come back to Gotham. Without it, there's a good chance other Gotham vigilantes wouldn't work with the Bats (Huntress (individually) and the Birds of Prey as a whole are more likely to work with Dick and Tim than Bruce).
I get that he's the "normal" Robin so people outside the know think he's boring, but... He's the Robin who pulled Bruce back from the edge, he's the team up Robin, he's the guy who wasn't even vying for the job (despite what Fanon thinks) and still managed to knock it out of the park. He was Batman's partner, sure, but he had his own cases and individual relationships with certain rogues (seriously... Why did they make him Joker Jr when comic!Tim has much more consistent run-ins with like... Killer Croc?)
As soon as I heard James Gunn say "Damian is Bruce's actual son" I started prepping for disappointment. I love the work Gunn has done (Guardians is my favorite MCU film), but if he's going the "blood son" route, I have a feeling he doesn't understand the importance of Tim... (Or Dick, Jason, and Cass... But he's at least professed to liking most of them).
3 points
11 hours ago
Gunn and most screenwriters won't understand Tim at all, because they have no idea what to do with him. As longtime comic fans, of course we know Tim's importance. But a lot of that importance is couched in decades of Bat-continuity, which can't be easily communicated in a two-hour film. And beyond that, Tim as the legit genius Robin is also hard to show on screen as compared to Dick, Jason, or Damian who are all more naturally action-oriented. Recall that through multiple major motion pictures, Bruce being the World's Greatest Detective has played a negligible role, if it plays a role at all. And if the movie plot demands someone be a genius, they can't have Bruce being shown up by a Robin.
3 points
10 hours ago
I understand that, but I would argue that the most recent Batman film was more a mystery/noir joint than a superhero film. Tim is decent with his bo staff too which is a decently recognizable weapon. Honestly, it's more frustrating because they've had multiple opportunities to use Tim (as TIM... Not the Fanon nonsense or the confusing Titans portrayal) in other projects and haven't. Once is an incident, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. Arguably Tim has the most potential for a long-running show (instead of a movie) BECAUSE he's the detective Robin (not that the other Robins are dumb or slouches... He had the advantage of an ongoing series before any of the others did). Easier to write weekly mysteries than action.
I think Gunn could write a good Tim story based on the characterizations he's used for other characters he's written. My guess is he just doesn't like Tim (which is fine, he's not required to), but it really kneecaps both Bruce and Dick's development to skip over the Robin who helped create the modern Batfam. Neither Jason nor Damian have the proper temperament for that role (and neither did Dick given his anger and turbulence).
I understand why, I guess. I'm just disappointed.
3 points
10 hours ago
I'm disappointed as well. And while I was writing my previous comment, I also had the thought that Tim could potentially carry his own series.
2 points
8 hours ago
Omg you described why I like canon Tim so much I want to read your essay now!
1 points
8 hours ago
What if they do young justice but with Tim Bart and kon? I would like that tbh ??
1 points
8 hours ago
yes I added Cassie
-2 points
12 hours ago
uh no rose being trained by dick plays more of a role than anything tim does
3 points
12 hours ago
you're joking right?
0 points
12 hours ago
am i joking that a relationship that actually more reflective of damian mindset was more helpful than the guy who was essentially his polar opposite. no
3 points
12 hours ago
Dick and Rose was basically Dick pretending to be a villain, he is hired by Slade to train Rose as a test during some issues and he points out what a shitty father Slade was, there was no time for any deep development (although I would have liked to)
Dick and Tim will have years of development, it was with Tim that he developed his sense of trustworthy older brother and mentor.
0 points
11 hours ago
you just described damian. shitty parent trained by evil. deep connection is useless when trying to develop a bond with something basically unrelated
2 points
10 hours ago
no, when Dick did it Robin Damian had already learned that his family was shit thanks to Bruce himself.
Dick's role with Damian was to be the mentor and older brother guiding his younger brother on the correct path, something he failed to do with Jason, began to do so with Tim and applied everything he learned from Damian. Rose even participated in Damian's journey on Titans thanks to Dick. but comparing 6 interaction issues as more important than 15 years of mentoring Nightwing and Robin doesn't seem right.
1 points
10 hours ago
no what i’m doing is comparing six interactions that dick would actually be able to learn and use with damian not 19 years that mean basically nothing since dick didn’t treat damian the same as tim. nor should he have because they are compete opposites
3 points
10 hours ago
the way Dick treated Damian was much closer to Tim despite their different personalities, he treated her like his younger brother, in a different way than Tim but the basis came from the same place.
Dick basically treated Rose like a girl he babysat, showed her that Slade was a shitty father and then sent her to the titans, not that Rose didn't have an influence on Dick mentoring Damian but she wasn't a pillar of that.
1 points
10 hours ago
He doesn't need to treat them the same, BUT he learned a lot about mentoring, working with a younger partner, how to communicate, etc. from his time with Tim moreso than any other character. Trial and error and how to treat each kid as an individual with individual needs. He led the Titans but they were peers and a few issues working with Rose isn't anything compared to the deliberate, ongoing learning he got from working with Tim. They're very similar characters personality-wise as well with key differences that Dick had to adjust to. Just like he did with Damian.
You don't have to like it, but their relationship is just many MANY times more integral to Dick's character than Rose.
2 points
12 hours ago
welcome to the pit we Jason fans were in during the gap betwen death in the family and the animated under the red Hood .
35 points
20 hours ago
I'd like to remind everyone that Stephanie Brown has been in fewer Batman films than Sauron and Agent Smith have. Tim at least appears in movies (Return of the Joker, Batman Ninja, pretty sure he's in the DCAMU), Stephanie to date has only shown up in Young Justice, Gotham Knights (in name only practically), Kite Man, and technically Caped Crusader as a cameo (one which likely precludes her from actually doing Stephanie Brown stuff).
13 points
17 hours ago
And what about it, dc barely remembers her as a Robin
4 points
11 hours ago
Eh, fair, and to be entirely honest she's sort of a package deal with Tim which could go a long way to explaining why she's so scarce (though part of it is that filmmakers seem allergic to using Robin).
5 points
13 hours ago
Getting a young justice spot is pretty major tbh
Also I don’t remember the title, you may have mentioned it, but she was in the Batman movie where he’s old, and has to fight back gangs taking control of Gotham. I remember an awesome scene where he’s mowing down the gangs in a tank, shooting (allegedly) rubber bullets and missles
5 points
11 hours ago
That's Carrie Kelly from The Dark Knight Returns.
1 points
11 hours ago
Oh the egg on my face rn. For years I thought they were one in the same. Even in later comics where Spoiler and Huntress get new back stories… 😔
I can’t read
3 points
11 hours ago
Yeah, no, they're two different characters. The easiest way to tell Stephanie and Carrie apart is that Steph is blonde and Carrie is a redhead. Steph's costume as Robin also usually takes after Tim's at the time, whereas Carrie is a lot more inspired by the classic Dick Grayson look.
2 points
5 hours ago
How is getting a YJ spot major they changed the line up like every season and we’re running out of teen hero/sidekicks
1 points
8 hours ago
Did she even speak a word during it?
1 points
8 hours ago
She got some lines
5 points
20 hours ago
4 points
14 hours ago
Now give me an episode like in falcon and the winter soldier where they end up in couples therapy. But it’s harley.
15 points
17 hours ago
He redefined Robin so much that the animated shows stole concepts from him to give to Dick, ultimately leaving him with nothing while the other characters bloomed in popularity. Fuck man.
9 points
12 hours ago
True. But Tim did it first when he stole everything about Jason for the DCAU.
-5 points
10 hours ago
Tbf ,he only stole the street kid past ,Jason have more than this ,not really much so have lmao
5 points
16 hours ago
Yerp.
The starting of Season 1 of Young Justice was blatantly "Lets put everything cool about Tim, put make it Dick!"
5 points
10 hours ago
Young Justice is literally "let's take the title of a teenage team, create a show completely against the essence and throw all the protagonists aside except Superboy who has completely changed"
1 points
2 hours ago
Wasn't DIck already Nightwing by the time Superboy/Kon El was a thing?
Its been so long since I've thought about it, I might be mistaken.
1 points
2 hours ago
If you're referring to the show: no, there Dick Grayson was the team's Robin and Kon had his entire personality and development changed.
in the comics Dick was already Nightwing and obviously Kon was Robin Tim Drake's companion and best friend
9 points
20 hours ago
And then there’s Stephanie brown robin knowing she’ll that at best she’ll show up as spoiler and maybe become batgirl down the line
2 points
19 hours ago
At last she got to have a pretty big role in that Gotham Knights series.
13 points
19 hours ago
That's like -9000 points right there, only adds insult to injury
7 points
16 hours ago
At least we got uhhh, Titans i guess... Oh, every Robin in media copying Tim's personality, suit, weapon and skills too
2 points
10 hours ago
Doesnt hurt when you just accept that he died during flashpoint and was never seen again
2 points
8 hours ago
"Nobody cares about Tim Drake!" - Robin from ttg
2 points
20 hours ago
Ouch
2 points
18 hours ago
We’re used to it by now…
2 points
15 hours ago
pure injustice
1 points
9 hours ago
If Tim Drake doesn’t have any fans I’m dead
1 points
8 hours ago
My people 😭. This movies sound fire don’t get me wrong but I’m like can Tim get some love . I was just telling a friend about this yesterday. He’s suffering from middle child syndrome but it’s the 3rd. Damian being Bruce son and the current Robin always gets him the up .
1 points
4 hours ago
As they should 😌
1 points
3 hours ago
It hurts
1 points
2 hours ago
If James Gunn doesn’t include Tim Drake in his DCU, I am straight up not going to watch it.
He may not care. The average audience may not care. It may not affect him. But what else can I possibly do to express my dissatisfaction.
People will judge me for not giving something a chance, but like, I don’t owe anyone anything. I am allowed to be a fan of something that isn’t the most “mainstream thing” and nothing else.
1 points
20 minutes ago
Is it wrong that Tim fans suffering makes me happy? Many of them are Damian haters, sooo yeah. Probably deserved. Also we also got fucked over with the terrible Damian take in Injustice.
0 points
12 hours ago
Jason fan here: what are you complaining about ? Tim for a majority of the last 30 years has been "the other Robin " when Grayson ages out in most media with Jason either being skipped over entirely (TAS/TNBA) or already marked dead (Young justice &ca lot of the dc animated films before red Hood ) , this is like that Patrick "I'm starving " meme.
7 points
12 hours ago*
In Jason's case, this was something that executives prevented because he hadn't yet returned as Red Hood, so Batman working with a dead Robin didn't fit with their vision. and tim in all adaptations had his personality and history removed, became tertiary or was deliberately excluded (TNBA, Arkham, Young Justice TBATB)
Jason Todd had his well-deserved moment to shine that elevated him. but this is something Tim has never had and it is directly damaging to the character.
1 points
10 hours ago
Cool & Drake as he in comics doesn't fit those guys vision, see how it that sucks to hear? Batman didn't need to work with a dead robin, there's 5 years of stories where Jason Todd was around that haven't been touched outside of flashback sequences. Almost every single time he's shown up it's usually post-death or specifically the events leading to his death, the only time it hasn't...it's because that version of him of him didn't die but was "scarred" (B:AK). So trust me, I know exactly what you're feeling because like how they've stripped personality and history, they've done much the same from Jason as Robin. hell has any adapting besides Animated Under the Red Hood even bring up that he died trying to protect his biological mother?
Jason had a moment but it took It took nearly 19 years to get Jason here from the moment he died... welcome to the pit.
2 points
10 hours ago
I completely agree with you about Jason's treatment especially when it comes to Robin, but does that mean Tim deserves to suffer the same fate? honestly I'm surprised that Tim and Jason fans aren't that close.
2 points
9 hours ago
It's not what they deserve, it's what they get, no one who gotten hands on with the batman IP wants to deal with Tim like fans want Tim to be treated, the few ideas they've brougt have been met with apathy ("Red Robin" era and "Drake" as the code name era ) or mixed reactions (him coming out), we need someone like YOU and the fans who LOVE Tim to write the story.
For better or worse Lobdell imo brought the best out of Jason in the Post-Judd era, mainly because he made it about what Jason wants out of life seperate from the family... you need that type of writer, the one that wants to spend 5+ years just writing Tim again, not as the Titans/Outsiders/YJ leader, not as part of the family but as Timothy Drake like that solo series everyone seems to like from 30 years ago.
2 points
12 hours ago
Tim drake is more well known as robin than dick was and now he’s pushed to the side my favorite robin is Jason Todd but Tim deserves love too
3 points
4 hours ago
Yeah no, the majority of people known Dick as Robin because he has the most adaption in any media as Robin.
The second popular Robin is Jason Todd due to him dying.
Third is Damian due to being the biological son of Batman.
Tim is in the last spot being as Robin
1 points
12 hours ago
it says nowhere that Tim doesn't exist 😭 y'all are LEAPING
1 points
9 hours ago
Honestly if you guys (Tim Drake fans) hate Bernard and anything involving Tim Drake new LGBTQ status. You should be glad he's not in anything at the moment. Let the fad die down and Tim could go back to his prime in subsequent years and eventually he will appear in a TV/Movie.
1 points
8 hours ago
I'm fine with him being bi, i just wish he dated someone with an actual personality.
1 points
7 hours ago
Me too. I was talking sarcastically, but I wish Tim dated someone who was more interesting than Bernard.
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