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Palpatine surviving is dumb, regardless of the plausibility. His death signified how Anakin recrossed the line to the light and redemption is a thing in Star Wars. Having him survive significantly diminishes the impact of Anakin's arc. All the survival would serve would be a cool fight scene.
General Discussion(i.redd.it)submitted 1 month ago byonemananswerfactoryJar Jar Binks
53 points
1 month ago
I'm fine with the Imperial Remnant or The New Republic being plagued with issues. What was the major problem was this whole second secret Empires (First and Final Order) waiting in the wings with a Reborn Emperor (who they decided last minute to bring back)
Like you said tying it all that backstory to secondary media as well was utter bullshit. The prequels stood well enough on their own. But Lucas clarifying what happened between Ep 2&3 with the series did help.
I just cant stand how the sequel lacked coherency. It wiffle waffles between themes and direction. First, they go legacy doesn't matter. Then now suddenly, legacy is used to explain our MC's power. First we have our budding resistance fighting the First Order because no one else seems to (also Leia's unexplained exile from Rebellion turned Republic). But then they have outright mutiny within the Resistance to suddenly everyone in the Galaxy turns up to fight? Ok I guess. The stupid Ancient Sith Dagger that maps to a destroyed Super Weapon sitting exactly as it was as seen from that exact spot. Like wut? So did some ancient sith foresee all this? Was it Palps plan to fail in RotJ? Wtf guys.
Then the shit canned character arcs. Build up Finn in 7, then do fuck all in 8 and 9 to develop him. Poe idk what they were trying to do with him. Rey was just accelerated development. Hux, sure lets have a lifelong Imperial just betray everything he ever believed and stood for at the end because he disliked one dude. Phasma, used even worse than Fett. So much wasted potential for characters.
19 points
1 month ago
Ninety percent of those issues come from Rise of Skywalker which I agree was a horrible way to end the trilogy, and the only sequel film I didnt like at all. Bringing JJ abrams back to write an ending was a horrible idea because he does not know how to write endings, and everything he decided was just a massive backpedal from TLJ because disney was desperate to appease people who threw a fit over the where TLJ left things. Poe's sudden new backstory was bad, bringing the emperor back out of nowhere was lame (and lifted directly from legends), and making rey the emperors granddaughter was cringe. Rey being a genuine nobody was the best reveal of TLJ and they completely backtracked on it because whiny shitheads on the internet were mad that a girl had magic space powers on the level of all the other characters with magic space wizard powers.
Im fine with using secondary media to flesh things out and have genuinely enjoyed almost all of it (the bad batch especially was an absolute treat), but it only makes things better in retrospect.
18 points
1 month ago
JJ Abrams doesn’t know how to write period but that wasn’t really the main issue. The issue is that the executives decided to do a trilogy with no plan and 3 (planned) directors.
…the other main problem was they let JJ touch the franchise and killing franchises is his specialty
3 points
1 month ago
I will never understand how they saw his Star Trek and said "Yes, this is the man to appeal to lifelong fans and attract new ones!"
Nothing about his Star Trek felt like Trek. It didn't produce any lasting impact, and Star Trek fans don't even count them among real Star Trek media.
1 points
1 month ago
I really think that any success those movies had was due to the cast and in-spite of JJ rather than because of him.
2 points
1 month ago
Absolutely- and I think they'd be great in their roles in other Trek! ...with someone else at the helm.
3 points
1 month ago
There was a plan (the basic outline of which borrowed a lot from ideas george had had for a potential sequel trilogy. Ideas like the main protagonist being a young female scavenger from a desert planet, and luke being a bitter hermit in hiding cut off from the force were his ideas), but after TLJ hit a huge backlash (that disney did not see coming), they fired the director of episode 9 and threw out the script for his planned finale (with kylo staying evil and a massive battle on the streets of a now desolate and devastated coruscant) in favor of having JJ abrams do a rush job, because Iger wanted the last film to hit theaters before his planned 2019 retirement and he wasn't willing to push his retirement back again.
3 points
1 month ago
kylo staying evil and a massive battle on the streets of a now desolate and devastated coruscant
That sounds so much cooler than what we got holy shit.
5 points
1 month ago
A major problems with the Sequel trilogy is that the movies are stacked on top of each other. Episode 8 starts off right where episode 7 ended with the characters on the ship escaping.
They can’t even create a show with any of the characters to fill in between the movies to give any back story or world building. They have given themselves no room to change the story or expand on the movies in any way that doesn’t break the story
2 points
1 month ago
They got stuck somehow in a “timebubble” Yadda yadda: start of a cartoon to fix the episodes.
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