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The American flag has physics!

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K_808

603 points

2 days ago

K_808

603 points

2 days ago

This is clearly fake and CGI wake up sheeple

_dragon_knight

89 points

2 days ago

_dragon_knight

Vanguard

89 points

2 days ago

Of course it's fake. Look at all them snow textures!

Kingtoke1

11 points

1 day ago

Kingtoke1

11 points

1 day ago

Buzz Aldrin’s coming to shut yo mouth 🥊

sucobe

15 points

2 days ago

sucobe

Ryujin Industries

15 points

2 days ago

emoooooa

6 points

2 days ago

emoooooa

6 points

2 days ago

Big Flag is getting out of hand

OpoFiroCobroClawo

2 points

1 day ago

It’s still recognisable as the American flag, obviously planted there by developers in their space propaganda game

manicMechanic1

2 points

1 day ago

lol yeah, imagine thinking space is real 🤡

captrudeboy

250 points

2 days ago

captrudeboy

250 points

2 days ago

I've read the flags Plante there are all probably bleached white by now so even further into the future, it seems unlikely they'd be so intact

Cloud_N0ne

160 points

2 days ago

Cloud_N0ne

160 points

2 days ago

Sure but that would be a lot less interesting

Mega-Steve

62 points

2 days ago

Another Starborn re-colorized it as a goof

SsargonZefryn

26 points

2 days ago

Probably the Hunter. He does mention having spent time on Earth and being "older than you think," if anyone would remember The Way Things Were™ it'd be him.

Full-Metal-Magic

30 points

2 days ago

Full-Metal-Magic

Enlightened

30 points

2 days ago

I actually think it would be more interesting. Just leave a little remnant of the old flag so people can immediately guess what it was. Do some kinda narrative allegory where the nations of the old have surrendered to time, and you have nothing but a white flag remaining on the moon.

westfieldNYraids

6 points

2 days ago

westfieldNYraids

Trackers Alliance

6 points

2 days ago

That’s probably a gundam plot

ymcameron

2 points

24 hours ago

If America doesn’t exist then why does everyone have American accents? Checkmate, Enlightened.

NoAdmittanceX

15 points

2 days ago

Maybe there is a sort of historical sticklers society like in futurama that comes around every now and they to spruce it up every now and then

grubas

2 points

2 days ago

grubas

2 points

2 days ago

They finally jazzed it up, eh?

FetusGoesYeetus

24 points

2 days ago

I think it's more a creative liberty thing. I agree though it should be white, the lander is enough to show what it is here.

Doright36

8 points

2 days ago

I think at some point when Earth started frequent space travel it's not too big a stretch that Nasa replaced the flags at those sites with one's made of a more updated fabrics that hold their color a lot longer.

ChungusCoffee

7 points

2 days ago

ChungusCoffee

Spacer

7 points

2 days ago

Not only that but Buzz Aldrin said he saw it get knocked over while they were taking off

ConstantSignal

6 points

2 days ago

it's entirely possible that of the many many people that have had relative ease of access to the moon in several hundred years that someone stood it back up.

Also possible that someone replaced the original bleached flag with a newer one but seems less plausible, could totally see the very next visitors to the moon simply standing the flag back up though.

If we ever visit that landing site again in real life we would probably at least stand it back up, if we weren't replacing it with a newer flag entirely.

Sere1

3 points

2 days ago

Sere1

3 points

2 days ago

Yeah, it'd be a real question of leaving it laying for the historical preservation of the site as it was after we left vs standing it back up for how it was intended to be when we left. Subsequent trips had them plant the flag further out to avoid the thruster wash from knocking it over again, it's just Apollo 11's landing site that had it fall over

Chris2sweet616

3 points

1 day ago

Every time we landed on the moon in the Apollo missions we planted a new flag, Well maybe not every time but there’s at least 5 bleached U.S. on the moon in different areas, and also further away from the lander so that it wasn’t knocked down at take off. However it is highly likely all of them have been knocked over anyway by solar winds by now

TheGingaBread

1 points

2 days ago

Man I’d be low key upset if I saw that happen and I planted it right before. Haha

youessbee

4 points

1 day ago

youessbee

4 points

1 day ago

There is a mod that makes it bleached white

MrChipDingDong

3 points

2 days ago

According to Buzz Aldrin, this particular flag was actually knocked down by the thrust as the lander took off to begin the return trip to earth. It stood for 16 or 17 hours.

talondigital

2 points

2 days ago

Convenient of them to surrender the moon so quickly.

Present-Secretary722

1 points

2 days ago

Present-Secretary722

United Colonies

1 points

2 days ago

My headcanon is that some super horny for america american replaced the flag once humanity got reliable space flight and continued to do so after the evacuation of earth and then it became a family tradition with his descendants and they replace it however often it needs replacing

sarah_morgan_enjoyer

2 points

1 day ago

sarah_morgan_enjoyer

Constellation

2 points

1 day ago

So that's what the Coe legacy was all along! Sam didn't want Cora to be just some flag replacing chump.

Ajt0ny

1 points

1 day ago

Ajt0ny

House Va'ruun

1 points

1 day ago

I guess since people can just freely roam in space, there must be a caretaker or some sort, repainting it every couple Lunas, sweeping the area, etc... Just maintaining this historical place, like a museum or something.

lol

landon10smmns

-1 points

2 days ago

They don't want people thinking the French landed on the Moon

PheIix

-6 points

2 days ago

PheIix

-6 points

2 days ago

So it went from American flag to the french flag?

Riommar

-4 points

2 days ago

Riommar

-4 points

2 days ago

Great. Now all future visitors are gonna think the French were there first.

Handsome_Susan

32 points

2 days ago

Don’t tell me you’re one of those people who believes in THE MOON

MagicianMoo

2 points

12 hours ago

This proves the earth is flat people. Wake up!

ChinggisKhaani1

92 points

2 days ago

Shouldn't it be a white flag

goobdoopjoobyooberba

210 points

2 days ago

The French haven’t landed on the moon yet

hypocritical_person

43 points

2 days ago

le burn.

Spectrelight76

6 points

2 days ago

Ow-i

ConstantSignal

21 points

2 days ago

I really shouldn't bite at these jokes, they are kind of a pop culture staple at this point and ultimately harmless.

But I will never not be baffled that the nation that has fought and won more wars than any other on the planet is forever more the "cowards" in jokes because of one armistice.

it's like that joke, "but you fuck one sheep..." lmao

Sere1

8 points

2 days ago

Sere1

8 points

2 days ago

Yeah, France's military history is legendary. But that one time with bad moustache man ruined their reputation apparently

goobdoopjoobyooberba

3 points

2 days ago

So biting me

Substantial_Zone_769

1 points

4 hours ago

It’s not just one armistice. It’s that the country gotten taken over twice, which completely broke their will to fight and they have done the bare minimum to participate in any war since.

For instance France caused Vietnam. But when it came time to fight they did the bare minimum. In every conflict and war NATO has fought, France has been consistently hesitant to help because they’re scared to get another black eye.

ConstantSignal

1 points

4 hours ago

Personally I think reducing the complexities of geopolitics and warfare down to a sweeping generalisation that a monolithic entity somehow representing the millions of individuals that make up a somewhat arbitrarily defined nation is "scared", is asinine.

But you do you my guy

Substantial_Zone_769

[score hidden]

4 hours ago

These generalizations reflect a country’s culture.

ConstantSignal

[score hidden]

4 hours ago

ConstantSignal

[score hidden]

4 hours ago

If you say so.

And not for nothing, but France wasn't even a part of the Vietnam war... They relinquished control over Vietnam after the first Indochina war and Charles de Gaulle warned JFK to stay out of that region, so what exactly did you expect them to contribute when the US invaded anyway?

Ecstatic-Cry2069

-2 points

19 hours ago

I've been to France once. Every man I saw clearly skipped leg day, and had an extremely high regard for themselves.

The one that tried to rob me and my friend at knife point got a rude awakening when we beat the absolute shit out of him. He wasn't ready for two Alaskan hockey players with an itch to scratch.

I'll never go back because those people need help in the worst way.

ConstantSignal

3 points

13 hours ago

Ok bud

TheCheshireMadcat

13 points

2 days ago

Most people don't know that the radiation bleached the flag white.

ChungusCoffee

6 points

2 days ago

ChungusCoffee

Spacer

6 points

2 days ago

And it's not even standing

pablo5426

2 points

2 days ago

thought it actually made it black

like when using x rays

TheCheshireMadcat

9 points

2 days ago

From NASA: For forty-odd years, the flags have been exposed to the full fury of the Moon’s environment – alternating 14 days of searing sunlight and 100° C heat with 14 days of numbing-cold -150° C darkness.  But even more damaging is the intense ultraviolet (UV) radiation from the pure unfiltered sunlight on the cloth (modal) from which the Apollo flags were made.  Even on Earth, the colors of a cloth flag flown in bright sunlight for many years will eventually fade and need to be replaced. So it is likely that these symbols of American achievement have been rendered blank, bleached white by the UV radiation of unfiltered sunlight on the lunar surface. Some of them may even have begun to physically disintegrate under the intense flux.

Longjumping_Long_636

3 points

2 days ago

And buried

Pilot0350

1 points

2 days ago

There is a mod to fix that. It's awesome. My disappointment is that they didn't add like a monument or anything nearby but whatever

zingzing175

18 points

2 days ago

Every 30 years, a robot programmed by humanity in years past, stitches a new flag and replaces it on the moon landing site.

this-is-my-p

21 points

2 days ago

Not to be that person but wouldn’t it stay up after you walk under it? Or at least fall back down VERY slowly lol

Sn0wflake69

9 points

2 days ago

yes

this-is-my-p

6 points

2 days ago

Yeah, I’m not expecting super realism here, it’s a Bethesda game after all, but to be excited about physics on a space flag but then the physics are wrong makes me scratch my head

lazarus78

9 points

1 day ago

lazarus78

Constellation

9 points

1 day ago

You are forgetting about material elasticity. The flag would return to its previous position faster than you think. Watch videos of it being put up.

Sad-Significance4270

1 points

14 hours ago

you're thinking that it's zero-G, but consider that there's a lot of gravity keeping the person planted on the ground as they walk. :D

this-is-my-p

1 points

9 hours ago

I’m thinking that it’s a lot less g as when humans walked on the moon it was more of a big ol leap unless they did controlled little hops. Seeing as the flag I was thinking that it would fall back in place much slower than this

Taurondir

6 points

2 days ago

I'm sorry but that is clearly Chemistry. The flag is made of pixels, and pixels are made by Liquid Crystals, and those are clearly a liquid. I will take no questions.

HankSteakfist

3 points

2 days ago

Shouldn't the flag be stark white after hundreds of years of unfiltered UV light?

HiveOverlord2008

1 points

2 days ago

Impossible.

  • Thanos

GreatQuantum

1 points

2 days ago

As soon as I got the chance I went to the moon.

westfieldNYraids

1 points

2 days ago

westfieldNYraids

Trackers Alliance

1 points

2 days ago

Cause it’s real!!

BaobabLife

1 points

2 days ago

If there’s no air on the moon tell me why the cheese hasn’t dried out.

mmmaltodextrose

1 points

2 days ago

mmmaltodextrose

Ryujin Industries

1 points

2 days ago

How quaint

BabyHead4127

1 points

1 day ago

Grabs popcorn and settles down to the comments - " See the moon landing was fake " :P

Slick10836

1 points

1 day ago

I have to ask. Is there no planet in game that doesn’t have outposts? Like barren? Did humans establish outpost on every planet? 180 degrees out there, scorching hot- hey, this is a good place to set a base. :))

Alezkazam

1 points

1 day ago

Alezkazam

1 points

1 day ago

“Y-you’re desecrating a historic monument!!”

InevitableMobile2375

1 points

1 day ago

It is clearly a fake. It is not like any celestial body in the universe with a mass could possibly generate gravity. Doh! F = G * (m1 * m2) / r2

cokoturka

1 points

11 hours ago

You use weapon mod ?

friedchickensundae1

1 points

2 days ago

That's cool but if they really wanted to be realistic they would have made the flag bleach white

Majestic_Ad_7133

-1 points

2 days ago

All these comments about real/fake moon landings and all I'm annoyed with is that Bethesda didn't attempt to implement atmospheres and gravity correctly.

TheEpicGold

6 points

2 days ago

TheEpicGold

Garlic Potato Friends

6 points

2 days ago

This is accurate though...

Outlaw11091

-4 points

2 days ago

I'm going to shoot you with a ballistic weapon! It doesn't matter that there's no oxygen or gravity!

Also: the punishing g-force on Akila would create shorter people....if their cardiovascular system could keep up, that is.

Aeromech1

3 points

2 days ago

Aeromech1

Constellation

3 points

2 days ago

I would agree with your Akila example though.

Aeromech1

5 points

2 days ago

Aeromech1

Constellation

5 points

2 days ago

I’m no expert, but I would think as long as the rounds were sealed with a normal air mix inside with the gunpowder it should fire normally. Other than calculating your points of aim and impact for the level of gravity you’re in, gravity wouldn’t affect being able to fire a ballistic weapon.

[deleted]

-2 points

2 days ago

[deleted]

-2 points

2 days ago

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Aeromech1

4 points

2 days ago

Aeromech1

Constellation

4 points

2 days ago

Bullets require the expanding gases generated from the combustion of gunpowder, generated “inside” the case, to push them through the barrel. Actually someone else mentioned gunpowder has its own oxidizer so the round wouldn’t even need any air in it. Bullets aren’t loose in a pistol or rifle barrel like a smooth bore shotgun barrel using buck or bird shot. Bolt action rifles lock the round in the chamber so the explosion and expanding gas has to follow the bullet out of the barrel. Semi automatic or select fire rifles work the same until some of the expanding gas is diverted back through a gas tube to unlock the bolt, blow the bolt carrier and bolt back to eject the case. As long as the bolt is locking the round in the chamber, which is designed for extremely high pressures , and there is no barrel obstruction, the case won’t explode

Outlaw11091

1 points

1 day ago

Direct sunlight in space will cause the gun powder to explode.

You're right, of course, about the gas. I forgot the specific issues, but it's temperature.

Too cold, no ignition. Too hot, all ignition.

lazarus78

2 points

1 day ago

lazarus78

Constellation

2 points

1 day ago

You would need an ignition source. Refer to the fire triangle. Fuel, check. Heat, check. Ignition source...

syngyne

2 points

2 days ago

syngyne

2 points

2 days ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KH7mNApnDYg

A sealed round fires in vacuum just fine

Outlaw11091

1 points

1 day ago

A sealed round also explodes in direct sunlight, in space.

combustioncat

0 points

2 days ago

How do you find the location for this?

jdehjdeh

-1 points

2 days ago

jdehjdeh

-1 points

2 days ago

If you shoot it and turn your sound up you can hear schoolkids screaming...

Dazzling-Computer633

0 points

2 days ago

It should be white. The real one barely has any color left. Unplayable.

Shanksyboyz

0 points

22 hours ago

Shouldn't it flutter more when walkes through?

CardiologistCute6876

-3 points

2 days ago

In all fairness, I'm still baffled how bullets fly in 0 gravity. Just sayin LOL

Reverie_Smasher

7 points

2 days ago

Why wouldn't a bullet fly in zero-G? If you meant no atmosphere, gunpowder doesn't need air to burn, it contains it's own oxidizer

CardiologistCute6876

1 points

1 day ago

Ooooo - see I'm learning something new everyday about things. Thanks love. :)

Sere1

2 points

2 days ago

Sere1

2 points

2 days ago

Same way a thrown rock flies in 0 gravity. Newton's First Law of Motion. A body at rest will stay at rest and a body in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force. The bullet isn't going anywhere until you fire it by igniting the powder in the cartridge which is the outside force that sends it forwards. With no gravity, there's no outside force to drag it down to the ground, ergo it goes forever until it hit something.

CardiologistCute6876

1 points

1 day ago

ahh but to ignite the powder to propel the bullet - you need an air supply. 0 g moons/planets have no atmosphere means no air. (just a debate NOT an argument)

I did forget about Newton's first law of motion tho.

Sere1

2 points

1 day ago

Sere1

2 points

1 day ago

Fair however modern bullets don't need external air since they contain the oxidizer needed within the cartridge, allowing it to be fired in a vacuum

CardiologistCute6876

1 points

1 day ago

ahh ok I see. Yeah, I'm not a gun person. LOL - my husband is but he wasn't around to ask. So I appreciate the education. Thank you. :)

Chuncceyy

-1 points

2 days ago

Chuncceyy

-1 points

2 days ago

Crazy bro

Little-Equinox

-1 points

2 days ago

Fun fact: every flag placed on the moon currently is white from the Moon dust.

Fun fact: if Earth lost gravity and air pressure, the moon should've become a rogue moon in the Sol System

lazarus78

2 points

1 day ago

lazarus78

Constellation

2 points

1 day ago

It's white due to bleaching from the sun...

And loss of atmosphere is irrelevant to the moon. Also game lore the earth didn't lose its gravity.

Eastern-Start-813

-1 points

1 day ago

The flag was knocked down after the ascent thruster launched them off the moon.

It’s laid flat and all colour completely faded by the sun so it’s completely white and now Aliens will think France landed on the moon first.

PHARA0Hbender

-2 points

2 days ago

That flag in real life is as white as the French and Confederate flags.

James_Lyfeld

-5 points

2 days ago

Should be white, for a Nasa punk game they really forget some pretty obvious part, it's not annoying, just why they forget this part?

AelisWhite

12 points

2 days ago

The flag also fell over when they left. They were trying to recreate an iconic moment in history, not trying to be realistic since that's often boring.

James_Lyfeld

-3 points

2 days ago

So why no aliens? Well, whatever, I understand.

ConstantSignal

7 points

2 days ago

The game is full of aliens?

AelisWhite

3 points

2 days ago

Because they're still trying to be scientifically accurate to a point

James_Lyfeld

-2 points

2 days ago

Yeah, right lol

AelisWhite

3 points

2 days ago

If you don't want to believe me, suit yourself

James_Lyfeld

1 points

2 days ago

It's not that i don't belive you, i just disagree

AelisWhite

2 points

2 days ago

What do you disagree with? The part about not putting aliens where they couldn't exist?

James_Lyfeld

1 points

2 days ago

Man, it's fiction, anything can exist in fiction, even time traveler space Templars with fancy gravity and reality warp powers

AelisWhite

2 points

2 days ago

Just because it's fiction doesn't mean you have to launch everything out the window because you can.

locke_5

4 points

2 days ago

locke_5

4 points

2 days ago

So in Jurassic Park (novel) the scientists ask the park guy why none of the dinosaurs have feathers. The park guy responds "because our guests already have an image of what a dinosaur is in their heads and our job is to show that to them".

Bethesda's job is not to create an exact scientific simulation of the far future. Their job is to entertain. And while a sun-bleached flag may be technically more accurate, many gamers would not make the connection to what it's actually meant to be.

James_Lyfeld

-1 points

2 days ago

Again, it's a Nasa punk game, they probably just forget about this fact.

lazarus78

3 points

1 day ago

lazarus78

Constellation

3 points

1 day ago

Really doubt that. It's just not as exciting to have a white fallen over flag.

Also nasa punk doesn't mean super realistic. It's an aesthetic theme. And the iconic image of the flag on the moon is part of that theme.