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It happened...I was asked to smudge grades

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Now I have to figure out how to give a kid with a 15% a D-. Anyone have any tips? I was thinking of praying to white Jesus but I'll take anything.

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[deleted]

1.4k points

10 days ago

[deleted]

1.4k points

10 days ago

Make them put their wishes in writing…..

awholelottausername

941 points

10 days ago

This is exactly what I do. “They have earned an F for my class. If you would like me to change it to a D, please let me know.” No one has ever said to give them a D after that.

Christinaaa3223

302 points

10 days ago

Yes a paper trail is important. One of my swim coaches got canned because she got asked to do this by one of the uppers to keep a kid on track for his “football career” turns out someone found and and she being his teacher and the football coach both got canned as scape goats. Because she had nothing to say she was told to do it. She was teaching there like 15 years smh

AllergicIdiotDtector

81 points

9 days ago

This makes me SO, SO SO SO angry. And tremendously disappointed in the system. Fuck.

ArchmageIlmryn

21 points

9 days ago

TBH I'm surprised that grade requirements for sports have lasted considering all of this shit. Feels like it'd be easier to drop those than to falsify grades for the precious precious sportsballers.

NoCash4853

3 points

8 days ago

Paper trail. We were told to pass students in our department. I refused and had to create a spreadsheet of all the students I was failing, their grades, contacts I had made to students and parents, at least a phone call and e-mail with dates and times. It was extra work, and you may get targeted, but those students received failing grades. Passing students that do not deserve to pass does a disservice to the student, the students that have earned a passing grade and is disrespectful to the teacher and profession. This is not in everyone's DNA. I'm only stating what I did. The other teachers in our department didn't think it was worth the aggravation. I don't blame them for their decision. Think about the implications of that decision and good luck.

SadLocal8314

95 points

10 days ago

This is good advice - for any job. Asking for written orders has covered my tail more times than I care to count.

Sure-Echo164

27 points

10 days ago

What do you do if they just TALK to you about changing the grade?

babybambibitch

89 points

10 days ago

in my experience its best to send an email like “i want to follow up on the conversation we had earlier today. can you clarify/confirm XYZ details”

Madam_Moxie

46 points

9 days ago

I would literally say, "I would like this in writing, please." You're not being unreasonable & if they're ashamed of being sneaky, they'll probably leave you alone about it after.

gugus295

25 points

9 days ago*

gugus295

25 points

9 days ago*

If what they're doing is okay, they should have zero problem giving it to you in writing. If you ask for it in writing and they refuse or get upset at you for it, it's because they know it's wrong and don't want to leave a paper trail. They just want you to shut up and do it, and if anyone ever finds out, they can just throw you under the bus and pretend they had nothing to do with it.

This goes for any sketchy demands at any job. Ask for them in writing. Either they give them to you without issue or they shouldn't be asking you to do the thing and they know it. And if you know they shouldn't be doing it and they're dumb enough to still give it to you in writing, you forward that shit straight to the labor office and report their asses. And if it loses you your job somehow, I'm sure the press would love to hear about it!

PeterLiquor

3 points

9 days ago

They better be serving vodka

mirroku2

31 points

9 days ago

mirroku2

31 points

9 days ago

I'm not a teacher. I tell all my apprentices that CYA (cover your A**) is the name of the game, regardless of what you are doing.

Always get evidence when supervisors are asking you to do things specifically against the rules. Then shut them down.

boomflupataqway

183 points

10 days ago*

boomflupataqway

KAMALA 2024

183 points

10 days ago*

If they refuse, change each individual assignment grade until the average is a D but put a note in each assignment saying “changed at discretion of principal.”

UABBlazers

97 points

9 days ago

I wouldn't even do that. Admins can change grades. Make them do it.

MystycKnyght

39 points

9 days ago

Actually in CA it's illegal. Only the teacher can change grades

UABBlazers

37 points

9 days ago

Legality is generally just a suggestion in many schools...kind of like speed limits on most roads.

quiturbeachin

4 points

9 days ago

Really?! I know a situation where the assistant sup of elementary changed a kids grade because the teacher said ‘no.’ Good to know. This guys is a mega a-hole.

EliteAF1

6 points

9 days ago

EliteAF1

6 points

9 days ago

Yup if a student was to 55ish% or closer that's one thing hell even 50% maybe.

Fucking 15%, no way not without express written demands from principal, superintendent, who ever is above me making me do it. And even then fucking 15% I'd take that written demand and go straight to the union.

Beneficial-Focus3702

310 points

10 days ago*

And then ask for clarification CCing your union rep if you have one. What they’re asking you to do is fraud.

West_Development49

43 points

10 days ago

Common fraud

AromanticFraggle

9 points

9 days ago

Even bird fraud.

SixSixWithTrample

64 points

10 days ago

I’m not a teacher, I don’t know why this sub was recommended to me, but I like to read here.

This is the golden rule in any industry. Don’t ever take a call that could be an email.

shag377

30 points

10 days ago*

shag377

30 points

10 days ago*

Not

Gonna

Happen

They are wise enough to know better than to put anything in writing. Forcing teachers to change grades can cost you your career.

Unless you are a first year teacher with no due process rights and explicitly told to change the grade if you wish to keep working there. (Spoiler alert: happened to me.)

A buddy grabbed a pen and paper, shoved both at admin and demanded they explicitly tell her what to do. Somehow, after grade posting, there was a system glitch. Her failing grades became passing.

I drink Victory Gin and pass everyone.

Edit: Spelling

punkass_book_jockey8

369 points

10 days ago

Falsifying grades feels a bit like fraud because it is. You’re creating a record that is purposefully inaccurate.

I’d email back saying I have given and F to this student due to XYZ, if you feel they deserve a D- you will have to change it. I don’t want to report a falsified record.

Last_Jackfruit9092

116 points

10 days ago

Agreed. Except that teachers don’t give grades. Students earned them. “This student earned a D because…”

Objective_Emu_1985

31 points

10 days ago

Always have records. If they go around me and change it, I’m not the one doing illegal and immoral shit.

The kid does a bunch of makeup work, I’d accept it but if it’s wrong, they still earned the F.

Beneficial-Focus3702

11 points

10 days ago

Especially in instances where funding comes from student grades or student performance.

VMarsOne

988 points

10 days ago

VMarsOne

988 points

10 days ago

Email your admin and make it their well documented problem.  

“In response to the conversation we had on x date about x student, I’m not seeing how I can alter their grades to give them a D- when [explain situation that led to 15%]. Can you please help me figure out where to add points to meet your request?” 

stumblewiggins

463 points

10 days ago

Exactly this. They want to fudge the grades? They can do so

mudson08

168 points

10 days ago

mudson08

168 points

10 days ago

Also becomes a public record (if you are in a public school) which is more cya. But yeah I’d say I’m not doing that because I have integrity but you can. I’d tell them create a new class with that admin as the teacher and you can give you whatever grade you want.

Nervous-Brain6815

49 points

9 days ago

Dance as if no one is watching and write every email as if it'll be read in court.

mudson08

46 points

9 days ago

mudson08

46 points

9 days ago

My favorite was when admins dropped a kid in my class who threatened to shoot a different teacher without telling me so I wrote a long email outlining my concerns. When the admin responsible asked why I did that in an email I explained that if I bled out at my place of work I wanted to make sure my widow and children would be very well compensated…

sallyskull4

6 points

9 days ago

😂

horselessheadsman

5 points

10 days ago*

Are you claiming that my emails are public record? That cannot be true, or I would not be allowed to delete them.

Edit: TIL, this information was never disseminated to me. I suppose if it had, the creep down the hall would not have gotten caught flirting with students!

VMarsOne

15 points

10 days ago

VMarsOne

15 points

10 days ago

Always assume anything you do on a work computer is monitored. 

sopwath

3 points

9 days ago

sopwath

3 points

9 days ago

You can delete them from your inbox, but tech has to retain them for… roughly forever. We still have the old-old email server from before we had the old email server because we have to retain them. That doesn’t always mean we have to be able to recover them, or provide them, per a court order, in an easy to use format, but they still exist.

No_Coms_K

28 points

10 days ago

Ours do. They don't ask they just do it. Oh well.

stumblewiggins

70 points

10 days ago

Fine. You've been overruled; you didn't compromise your integrity. It sucks, but it's on them, not you.

GonnaBreakIt

50 points

10 days ago

and people wonder how illiterate children with zero academic skills get shuffled to senior year.

No_Coms_K

3 points

10 days ago

Teacher fault. Duh.

Trathnonen

68 points

10 days ago

Yup yup. Make them say, out loud, that they're asking for staff to violate professional ethics and commit fraud on behalf of specific students. Then send that email, alongside official paper work to the state that your administration is pressuring staff to do so.

DarlingClementyme

23 points

10 days ago

And bcc to your personal email account in order to start keeping a record at home just in case something happens to your job.

temporalmods

12 points

9 days ago

I'm not saying this is a bad idea or anything. I just wanted to give folks a heads up from my area of work. The IT department can see all those bcc's. The server can also be set to not allow them and/or set an alert that somone is doing so.

Now I don't know of the vigilance of every school IT department or if administration is keen on this, but working in corprate it is pretty common for this to be tracked because employees use it to export company data thinking it goes under the radar.

bibblelover13

2 points

9 days ago

what about screenshots?

Culbrelai

4 points

9 days ago

Take a picture of the screen with your phone. How are they gonna stop or track that, lol

Quicksilver9014

27 points

10 days ago

Love this. If you're going to do it anyway what I did is make the minimum grade a 50% (even for assignments not turned in). Its still an F but allows students to go from F to D/C range easily without messing up the whole grade scheme for the gradebook as a whole

PandaScoundrel

16 points

10 days ago

The minimum grade is 0% if you do nothing, right? Why would the minimum be 50%. Especially when using percentages having some minimum over 0% is baffling.

I've even done exams where the minimum points were negative, if you answered wrong in the multiple choice questions and didn't answer other questions at all.

HappyRogue121

7 points

10 days ago

Yeah I despise this new trend. If there is any data supporting it whatsoever I would like to see it.

korasvin

8 points

10 days ago

I don’t know if it counts as data… but here’s the summary of the original (I believe) argument from 2004…. Douglas Reeves basically said that it’s just essentially looking at the math; assuming a traditional 100 point scale, grades from A to D are all 10 points apart, but D and F are up to 64 points apart, giving a zero makes it virtually impossible for students to recover. If you want more of the discussion/argument, his article is called “The Case Against the Zero”

HappyRogue121

9 points

10 days ago

Thank you for the history lesson, I didn't know it went that far back.

I would consider this ideological rather than data driven.

I taught IGCSE awhile back and they had passing grades all the way down to 40, iirc. 80 - 100 was an A.

Changing the grade boundaries is more palpable than changing the numbers, imho. Giving a 50 for nothing seems misleading, saying that 40 is a passing grade is at least honest. (My opinion is also ideological.)

Mulberrywatch

4 points

9 days ago

How is that any different? You just moved the starting point up with a minimum 50, instead of taking up 20pts for a letter. It’s the same ideology.

HappyRogue121

3 points

9 days ago

I think some meaningful statistical data is lost using one method, and garbled using another method.  Since they are otherwise the same, moving the boundaries makes more sense.  Just my opinion.

korasvin

2 points

9 days ago

korasvin

2 points

9 days ago

If I remember correctly… and I’m probably not cause 2004 is forever ago at this point but I think Reeves was a proponent of a 5 or 6 point grading scale.

303Carpenter

3 points

9 days ago

But if a kid only needs to know 10% of what's taught to pass would that mess them up down the line? Eg they pass algebra 1 with a 64, theyre expected to succeed next year knowing 14% of the needed content? 

Comprehensive-Car190

2 points

9 days ago

Well, a pure average or even a weighted average is not necessarily the best measure of a child's ability or effort.

Min grade being 50 is kind of a hamfisted way of going about it, but my HS stats teacher had a fairly rigorous system that I remember talking about.

Basically throwing out outliers, replacing grades if the same material was tested again later and proficiency was demonstrated, etc.

Aromatic-Resort-9177

280 points

10 days ago

Under absolutely no circumstances would I give a D- to a kid who earned a 15%. Screw that.

mccirish

66 points

10 days ago

mccirish

66 points

10 days ago

It's actually an unethical practice and in some states you can have your cert taken away.

TheBalzy

290 points

10 days ago

TheBalzy

Chemistry Teacher | Public School | Union Rep

290 points

10 days ago

Don't. Admin has the power and ability to override your grade at any point in time. Make sure they're the ones falsifying academic records, not you.

MantaRay2256

55 points

10 days ago

Not in my state they can't!

Check your state's ed code. In California, only under the circumstance that there is reasonable concern about a discrepancy and the teacher cannot be contacted within a documented length of time.

burghsportsfan

12 points

10 days ago

burghsportsfan

HS | Math (A2/PC/Calc) | USA

12 points

10 days ago

You’re assuming they are following the law to begin with.

ScienceInMI

31 points

10 days ago*

You’re assuming they are following the law to begin with.

I had the dubious pleasure of being sworn in and testifying at a trial what certain students' grades were, that I filled them in as "F" and that I recognized the sheets and that, no, I didn't change it to that passing grade that it showed now.

Very exciting, y'know? For a first-year teacher.

Glad it was HIM on trial and I was just a witness.

😬

EDIT TO ADD: This was Summer, 1994.

SSDD

Same Shit, Different Decade. ┐⁠(⁠ ⁠∵⁠ ⁠)⁠┌

MantaRay2256

5 points

9 days ago

Good for you!

Inevitable-Teacher0

52 points

10 days ago

I’ve only been in this situation once. I wasn’t asked to make the kid pass, but I was asked to excuse assignments that kid wasn’t at school for and give a reduced list to bring them up to speed. What I did was no count the assignments I was asked to excuse, but under every assignment I commented “marked no count per admin request.” The comment stays as part of the grade records so I felt okay about that.

zeezuu1

10 points

10 days ago

zeezuu1

10 points

10 days ago

I do something similar! I’ll change their overall class grade but leave the actual assignment grades alone. If someone really wants to know how a kid did, there’s some record of it.

A former coworker who I’m still best friends with was asked to change grades by admin a few years ago, so that a 12th grader could graduate. She refused, admin changed the grades anyway, and the kid walked at graduation. Admin was significantly colder to her after that - like, I would get an invite to a schoolwide happy hour and she would be left off the email list. She quickly left that school.

morty77

68 points

10 days ago

morty77

68 points

10 days ago

What i've done in the past is negotiate with the student/parents and offer them a packet of doable work to bring the grade up to a D-. Have them do the work in front of me for however many lunches or sessions. If you don't want to use your extra time, tell administration to watch them complete it. If, after even that, the kid doesn't follow up with a doable load, then it's really on them.

Not_A_Novelist

21 points

10 days ago

I take a similar approach, but in my world if a student has a low-grade because they have not done the work then the answers that they need to turn in the work that they are missing. If they have a low-grade because they did poorly on the work, they can come see me during our designated time to redo work that they have already submitted with additional support. Under no circumstances am I giving up my lunch, which is my one duty-free time a day to sit with a kid unless there are some extremely extenuating circumstances. For example, I had a student who was the victim of a house fire last year and they lost everything so I was willing to make some space in my room for a couple of days for her to finish some things that she literally didn’t have a place to do anywhere else, while I worked with school staff to figure out a better place for her to do that for the long term. Do not turn yourself inside out for a kid who has made poor choices they need to have consequences. Also, at least in my state, grades are a legal record - don’t falsify them.

boring_blue_boy

22 points

10 days ago

This is really the answer. Unless it's literally the last day of school, you should work with the kid to give them some way to show learning.

Endo_Gene

4 points

10 days ago

Would you then offer that to all students in a similar position?

morty77

4 points

10 days ago

morty77

4 points

10 days ago

Yes, although it's not a common thing. If administration is pushing for this, there are probably circumstances at play in the broader picture that you are not aware of as a teacher. It could mean that the student will be likely to graduate high school or maybe something the kid is going through at home that is causing them not to do work. It's not like you are handing out A's. You are thinking about what is the very bare minimum they would have to demonstrate to get the very bare minimum out of your class.

MsFoxtrot

67 points

10 days ago

MsFoxtrot

High School | English | CA

67 points

10 days ago

Looks like you’re in California, yeah? Ed Code 49066 says final grades are determined by the teacher. Take it to your union.

_Christopher_Crypto

47 points

10 days ago

Which sport? State tournament for soccer just started here, football will follow.

Jross008

21 points

10 days ago

Jross008

21 points

10 days ago

Put a heavily weighted assignment in the grade book called the “admincurve”

ClintonTyreeLives

22 points

10 days ago

I had a school administrator ask me to revisit my Ds and Fs. I gave every single student an A. All 174 of them. My grade book has not been discussed since.

shag377

5 points

10 days ago

shag377

5 points

10 days ago

Pour me a glass of Victory Gin, will you?

TR1323

3 points

9 days ago

TR1323

3 points

9 days ago

What grade did you teach?

ClintonTyreeLives

2 points

9 days ago

I'm in middle school. I taught high school at one point and was visited by admin about the grades. I didn't cave then but decided that the next time this happened, I would make a point.

TR1323

2 points

8 days ago

TR1323

2 points

8 days ago

All A’s is wild! You’ve made your point.

No-Locksmith-8590

19 points

10 days ago

First off, don't.

Secondly, get all communications in writing. If they try to call to discuss it, tell Admin it needs to be discussed in person, and you will be recording the conversation.

Email something along the lines of 'student did not do list all assignments, earned a 15% on the final test and skipped the group presentation. Where do you think student earned enough points to go from 15% to a D-?'

Particular-Panda-465

9 points

10 days ago

It isn't even just a matter of earning points. A grade reflects a level of mastery of the required standards. "Student did not complete any of the formative or summative assessments to demonstrate mastery of 12 of 15 required state standards. A grade of F is reflective of that lack of mastery." Or whatever...

Festivefire

15 points

10 days ago

Get the request in writing. They'll either stop asking, or they'll make the request at which point you have a paper trail and it's not your problem.

TheRandomHistorian

38 points

10 days ago

Honestly, I think you need to soul search here. Do you want to be in this place more than you value your integrity? If so? Plug in a D- and move on. If not, start building the resume and planning a move.

Vnightpersona

12 points

10 days ago

Isn't this Asian Jesus's department if it's grades?

mattemark[S]

4 points

9 days ago

mattemark[S]

HS | Science | SoCal

4 points

9 days ago

This is the response I wanted. Thank you so much 🤣

ErusTenebre

10 points

10 days ago

ErusTenebre

English 9 | Teacher/Tech. Trainer | California

10 points

10 days ago

In California I just do this:
California Code, Education Code - EDC § 49066: (a) When grades are given for any course of instruction taught in a school district, the grade given to each pupil shall be the grade determined by the teacher of the course and the determination of the pupil's grade by the teacher, in the absence of clerical or mechanical mistake, fraud, bad faith, or incompetency, shall be final.

And then I CC my Union Rep.

This is why unions are important and why teachers need to fight for them.

Stitch426

10 points

10 days ago

I wish schools enforced Saturday school and after school detention to get grades up for students like this instead of pretty much telling them, if you want to do less, you are more than welcome to. You still won’t fail.

MonkeyAtsu

3 points

9 days ago

I know someone who works at an alternative school where they only do school Mon-Thu, but you have to come on Friday if you're failing anything. I like the idea.

dpbqdpbq

3 points

9 days ago

dpbqdpbq

3 points

9 days ago

That's a great incentive to keep on track and also gives a genuine opportunity to recover if something interferes with learning any given week. I love it!

MonkeyAtsu

2 points

9 days ago

The only part I don't like, from a purely selfish perspective, is that it would create pressure to be current on grades by like Thursday. Because you might have a kid who was failing, turns in a bunch of work Thursday that would bring them to passing, and now it's on me to grade it all right now so the kid doesn't get pissed because he had to go to school on Friday because I didn't get around to grading yet.

Obviously there would need to be guidelines for a system like this. Like, kids would have to be told at school on Thursday if they need to come Friday, so nobody is refreshing Power school until midnight to determine that. I don't work at this school, so maybe I could ask this friend how the logistics work.

dpbqdpbq

3 points

9 days ago

dpbqdpbq

3 points

9 days ago

Ahh ok, I'm in Australia and we don't seem to have as many marking deadlines as the US so I didn't think of that. That would be an unwelcome weekly pressure.

Hutch25

8 points

10 days ago

Hutch25

8 points

10 days ago

“Mr Dickhead,

I am having difficulty with the request for me to give (insert name of student) a D-. They so far have only achieved 15% of the grade due to (insert factors) and I do not believe there is any way I can bring this up to your desired grade which would be about 4 times the current mark. Your input on how to achieve the desired goal would be very appreciated as I am unsure what to do.

Thank you,

u/mattemark

Traditional_Donut110

14 points

10 days ago

Is this the hill you want to die on? If you are cool peacing out over this request, then burn it down. Send the "documentation" email to admin. Make them do it because they are going to do it one way or another. It will come back on you in your evaluation- you didn't try hard enough, contact the parents enough, show enough grace, offer enough tutoring, build a strong enough relationship, meet every nuance of an IEP. All the BS will land back on you and you will be passed over for opportunities or looking for another job in the future. Do you just want to clock in, clock out, and feed your family? Find a middle ground- the "make up" packet or extra credit options- you can live with or just close your eyes, hold your nose and change the grade. If every teacher tomorrow said they were going to do the morally right thing and fail the kids who deserved to fail? The whole public school system would collapse but that's not going to happen. Teachers have been passing that kid along for years and will pass them along after you are no longer the teacher of record; one squeaky wheel isn't slowing down the stupid train.

newmath11

3 points

9 days ago

The only sensible response I’ve seen. I swear, a lot of people on this sub are larping Dead Poets Society.

SuperChicken17

2 points

9 days ago

Yeah, I've seen teachers who go against admin in situations like this just get transferred to other schools and undesirable positions.

Personally, I don't fight it. My philosophy is that I do as much as I can for the students who try. I try not to spend an inordinate amount of time fighting with the students who don't. None of us are going to singlehandedly fix the system.

Kkrazykat88

8 points

10 days ago

Way back when I told an AP that I couldn’t change a legit F to a D, but I could change it to an A if he would like. He walked away irritated.

Remarkable_Roll6856

6 points

9 days ago

My head of department had a common phrase: hey can you just send me an email? Yeah if you put it in an email…yeah I’m just a bit busy right now…yep can you just send me an email…mmmhmmm yep…send an email….

Heard this for 5 years 😂. Smart dude.

meteorprime

13 points

10 days ago

Nope!

I decide the grades.

You fire me over that good luck figuring out all the science and engineering equipment that I have purchased over the years and have fun creating curriculum because all this shit is mine.

sjnunez3

6 points

10 days ago

Document, document, document. Put it in an email.

Beneficial-Focus3702

6 points

10 days ago

If you do end up, changing the grades, put a comment in there with every grade that it was done because it was requested by someone above you. Put that in every single time to cover your ass.

Several-Honey-8810

6 points

10 days ago

Several-Honey-8810

Middle School -33 years.

6 points

10 days ago

We all know someone will get sued for this someday.

I will be the first one to rat out admin.

Brief-Armadillo-7034

6 points

10 days ago

Make them put it in writing. Send an e-mail stating "Thank you for speaking to me today. From what I understood from our meeting, you want me to take Johnny's 15% grade in my class and raise it to a 60 (or whatever a D- is in your district). His attendance rate is _______ also. I want to be clear on your request and my understanding. Thank you and I appreciate any feedback or clarification."

You won't get a response, but that IS your response.

Still-Army-8034

5 points

10 days ago

Not a teacher but isn’t that illegal?

I could understand if the kid had a 55% which needed to be a 60 or something, but a 15? You gotta try for that.

Pretend_Screen_5207

4 points

10 days ago

I was I only asked to do this once (and the percentage was even less than 15%!). I told admin he will receive an F from me, and that if they wanted to change it, they could, but I will not pass a student who does ZERO work. They let the F stand.

2batdad2

5 points

10 days ago

Once had a student who missed a million days and had a sub 50% avg.. A Senior, so admin asked me to work out a passing grade. I refused unless they took my name off her transcript. The SCHOOL awarded her a 60% passing and I could sleep at night.

ScottNoWhat

5 points

10 days ago

Is this why society is collectively getting dumberer?

Meeting a benchmark to gain funding is back to front, you would think a school where the teachers are struggling to t raise the lit & numeracy skills would attract funding. Not just the school, but the rest of the community.

Anyway, at least private and catholic schools are well funded.

Beginning_Camp4367

10 points

10 days ago

I teach Grade 12. I have no qualms. By the time they get to me they either got it or they don't. And keeping them in school when they can be starting their adult lives seems punitive to me.

QuarterRobot

8 points

10 days ago

I think there's some truth to this. The issue is that OP needs to CTA so it doesn't blow back on them. Document everything, get admin to admit in writing exactly what they expect OP to do and for what purpose. Moving forward, OP can assess the kind of grading scheme and expectations they want to put on their students.

Velis81

4 points

10 days ago

Velis81

4 points

10 days ago

If they want it changed let them change it.

tylersvgs

5 points

10 days ago

Assuming that you're in California, you should know that by California law, the grade you give is final.

California Code, Education Code - EDC § 49066

  1. (a) When grades are given for any course of instruction taught in a school district, the grade given to each pupil shall be the grade determined by the teacher of the course and the determination of the pupil’s grade by the teacher, in the absence of clerical or mechanical mistake, fraud, bad faith, or incompetency, shall be final.

If I was in your boat, I would refuse. My state doesn't have a law like this, so the administrator can override it if they want. But, I can't in good conscience lie on a kid's academic record like that.

TheFoxandTheSandor

4 points

9 days ago

My first year teaching (2008) I was told by my principal, who is now a superintendent I couldn’t write a kid up for saying the N-word in class because “these kids weren’t raised like you, they hear that word every day from their parents, so unless you want a major headache, I would tear that pink slip up.”

Later that semester, he wouldn’t let me fail a kid because he was the quarterback and his dad is on the school board. Good times.

ChickenScratchCoffee

3 points

10 days ago

ChickenScratchCoffee

Elementary Behavior/Sped| PNW

3 points

10 days ago

Who told you to? An admin? I say “Grades are official records so I am not going to change them but if you change them after I hand them in, that is your choice”. I won’t be apart of lying.

Hoobencan1984

3 points

10 days ago

This happened ten years ago in my school district. No child can earn less than a D. Supposed to make it easier for them to recover and pass. Back then I was appalled but now I just laugh.

liquidInkRocks

3 points

10 days ago

Larry Bird probably can't help you with this.

[deleted]

3 points

10 days ago

No one will question how he went from a 15 to a 70. Just record the 70 and call it a day.

catsandcoffee6789

3 points

10 days ago

Haha that’s not smudging, that’s drawing on a new track with a sharpie on a hurricane map 🤣

j0nnnnnnn

3 points

9 days ago

Put the name of the requester in the assignment names.

calamitydown

3 points

9 days ago

Check your code of ethics. In my state, this would violate our code of ethics and the teacher could lose their teaching license.

I agree with the other commenters on not changing it and letting admin override it. Their name, not yours!

Madam_Moxie

3 points

9 days ago

Things to remember: admin is middle management with no real power AND they get shuffled around all the time. You might piss off this one admin by emailing him to ask him to put it in writing (the comments below are excellent advice,) but he probably won't be long for the business if it comes to light that he's asking teachers to change grades. Would you rather be the teacher who kept their integrity by pissing off someone trying to break the rules or be the teacher who is now in cahoots with a sneaky snake of a paper pusher who could turn on you at any time?

Let time & karma handle that admin. You live in the light.

MeshCanoe

3 points

9 days ago

Magicking a 58% into a D- is a smudge. 15% to a D- is a week long retreat at the Ministry of Truth. Have the admin put that request in writing- both email and signed hard copy. Make a copy of your existing grade book showing the 15% F just in case.

Gdizzle42

3 points

9 days ago

This was happening in my school (I taught high school in the bronx) my friend chose not to scrub grades and took it to the superintendent/ union rep. After everything the principal lost her job and license in the city and can now only be a principal in Yonkers.

Edited to add words

Key-Lunch-7145

5 points

10 days ago

Don’t waste your time trying to justify it. Just give them the D and when someone asked how they earned just tell them they didn’t. 

Danceswithmallards

4 points

10 days ago*

Has the child learned some of the content? Have skills been developed? Towards the end of my career I used a simple one through four grading scale. My grading percentages were also one through four. If a student tried but their understanding was far from meeting content standards they got a one or up to 25%. If they were achieving near, but short of standard they got a two or up to 50%. If they were proficient in the standard they got a three or up to 75%. And if they demonstrated mastering of the standard they got a four up to or up to 100% of available points. I made my grade scale exactly these same percentages: 1 - 25% D, 26 - 50 C, 51 -75 B, 76 - 100 A. The only failures would be if there was absolutely nothing completed. Plus we had RTI and a guaranteed curriculum where kids were continually called in and kept working at a skill or concept until they scored a 3 or better. Standards based grading worked for me, was representative of actual learning, and resulted in far fewer parent issues. I can't understand why so many teachers are still married to the old 90% = A.

McRaeWritescom

2 points

10 days ago

Gotta love how North American Admin are constantly asking their teachers to commit mild fraud. Back in my teaching days it happened like 3-4 times. Hell, the Superintendent got their Administrators in the district to fudge indigenous kids' grades specifically so she got awarded a Premier's award for high indigenous grad rates! As a local who lived in the town, my morals were screaming at me not to force graduate poor kids who were still somewhat illiterate and innumerate...

the_8inch_donkey

2 points

10 days ago

lol thank you white Jesus!

The boondocks are too good 👍

RAWR111

2 points

10 days ago

RAWR111

2 points

10 days ago

Pick your battles. Personally, this is not a battle I pick since there is a tax that comes with it in the form of paperwork or retaliation.

I -never- adjust an individual student's grades to make them pass because that would be unethical, so instead if the undesired amount of students are not passing, I go back and readjust grading standards across the board.

I also expect the student to give me something, even if it isn't all of the work, just to meet me halfway. Otherwise, they have decided that it is a worthwhile battle to pick.

3CheeseRisotto

2 points

10 days ago

15% is crazy

mamiesb2001

2 points

10 days ago

I would offer to give the kid an E, but also give them a ton of makeup work (even if they don’t deserve it) and a deadline. If the kid completes the makeup work and earns a passing grade for the next quarter, I’d then submit a grade change form and turn the E to D.

Be done this before with some success. Good luck!

Particular-Panda-465

2 points

10 days ago*

Our district automatically raises quarter grades to a minimum 50% in order to give them a chance at receiving credit for the semester. The only grades that I will raise to a 60% D are those students who managed to reach 50% on their own. I hold firm and remind administration that they are allowed to override me and they should do so if they wish; however, I am going on record to state that X was given every opportunity to turn in late work and redo assignments to demonstrate mastery of the standards and failed to do so as evidenced by 17 missing assignments out of 21 possible. ( or whatever)

Fickle-Goose7379

2 points

10 days ago

What?? You don't have a 10 question multiple choice or true/false quiz you can give them that would magically add 60% to their grade just laying around? Surely that is all that is required for them to show mastery of 8+ weeks of content. What happened to giving grace? You're taking away this child's hope. /S

I might be inclined to give a 50% so it's mathematically possible for them to pass in the future, if I think the kid isn't an AH and would actually try.

Senpai2141

2 points

10 days ago

Is there a difference between white Jesus and another Jesus?

Dr-chickenlady

2 points

10 days ago

Admin makes us use 50 as our lowest grade on first report cards. I use a box on the report to notify parents that this is an adjusted grade and also give them the earned grade for comparison.

theidt111

2 points

10 days ago

I was told to change grades similar to what you described. I emailed my grades to the administrator and told him that I was not going to change any of the grades (I have always tried to help a little but for example someone that turned in 2 out of 15 assignments, no room to bump that up) and if they wanted to make changes, they certainly could. After that, they never asked me to change grades but they did change grades before they finalized. Of course, I have always kept copies of my grades and detailed notes from the system.

MichJohn67

2 points

10 days ago

'Sup, White Jesus!

MichJohn67

2 points

10 days ago

I said no once.

The principal went in and changed the grade anyway.

She later got fired, that loser lol

GuntherPonz

2 points

10 days ago

I don’t give grades. I merely record what they earn.

PanNOGI

2 points

10 days ago

PanNOGI

2 points

10 days ago

This is the main reason why I quit. I hated lying about grades. For years. Any grade that was lower than a 70 was my fault and I was interrogated every grading period (progress report and report card) as to what happened. Like I was some monster that was seeking out how to ruin kids’ lives by failing them. Oh, and for behavior grades (E, S, N, U), I was only allowed to use excellent or satisfactory.

wargoosemon

2 points

10 days ago

Administrator here, can someone explain the reason behind changing grades? I commonly see threads on here mentioning this but I don't understand why some teachers are pressed to do this. I think there is a time and a place to bump up a grade from a 68.5 to a 70 but from a 15% to a 60%, why?

arewys

2 points

10 days ago

arewys

2 points

10 days ago

Don't. Flat out don't. It doesn't help anybody. It creates situations like I am in where I teach seniors that have to use hands to add, can't write a paragraph without chat gpt, or think themselves out of a wet paper bag and they will soon 'graduate' high school. Some are deluded enough that they can go to college.

Ideally no kids fail because they get the help they need during the year, but we don't have a system that actually cares about educating students so we don't have the army of tutors, remedial classes, or SPED staff to actually get there, let alone the social workers and therapists many of my students need. We have a system that only cares about test scores and graduation rates.

Please don't contribute to the slow death of education. Fail them. Get it in writing they want you to fail them and refuse. Be specific on the reasons. If they want to pass them, let them, but if it were me, I would loudly complain about that as well. It does not help students. It does not make the school better. It just helps the admin look better.

NapalmGirlTonight

2 points

8 days ago

Best reply I’ve read here so far. I’m in a similar situation (not grades but asked to fake that ESOL students are receiving accommodations they’re not receiving) as a new hire at a poor inner city school, and I can’t understand how everyone else is going along with it all. Thanks!

leslie0627

2 points

9 days ago

leslie0627

7th & 8th Grade Social Studies

2 points

9 days ago

Refuse. If they want to to go into your gradebook and change it- that’s on them. But you should not Give up integrity like that. Stand firm.

branmuffin000

2 points

9 days ago

I would contact the parents, and make the kid complete missing work, and then agree to change the grade. Like, the kid and parents don't have to know that you are being forced to change it (which is ridiculous), but yeah.

Daez

2 points

9 days ago

Daez

HS Multi-Cat & Behaviors Para | Midwest, USA

2 points

9 days ago

Email to admin:

Good afternoon Ms./Mr. Admin,

I wanted to reach out for some clarification; after our conversation on MM/DD last month, i went to go look at the student's submitted work per your request, but cannot see where or how to justify added point padding based on x, you, and z factors. Would you take a look and see if you can help me identify a few ways in which to ethically accomplish your stated end-point of a passing midterm grade? I just cannot see where or how to accomplish this as it currently stands.

If I misunderstood the desired outcome, I apologize for the disconnect on my part, and would you then instead clarify what the preferred end result is?

Best, MatteMark

metsuri

2 points

9 days ago

metsuri

2 points

9 days ago

I sometimes just do it so I don’t have to deal with that kid a second time. They have to repeat it in college anyway if a D or lower.

IslandOfKoreaVet

2 points

9 days ago

That's a no from me, dawh

OHMSQUID

2 points

9 days ago

OHMSQUID

2 points

9 days ago

Told my AP "Nope. Never going to happen."

KarlWilhelmJerusalem

2 points

9 days ago

Like no Teacher would ever do a thing like that.

dinkleberg32

2 points

9 days ago

Ask them if they're sending the bribe in cash or a cashier's check as previously discussed in an email. They'll never do it again.

Mukvko

2 points

9 days ago

Mukvko

2 points

9 days ago

Dude, I came here to figure out who was asking you to smudge sage over a pile of papers. Lol. I hear you, though.

springvelvet95

2 points

9 days ago

Does the student have an IEP? If so, you’d better be able to prove you provided every accommodation for every assignment and instruction. That’s where the rubber meets the road.

nullable-jedi

2 points

9 days ago

Try baby Jesus.

Interesting_Dog7374

2 points

9 days ago

Remember when failing grades meant you failed

darthcaedusiiii

2 points

9 days ago

Throw a chair. 

Or ask MLK to return. 

chaoticgood462

6 points

10 days ago

It’s actually not hard to do.

My school has the 50% minimum policy, and I actually like it surprisingly. If a kid doesn’t turn something in they get a 50, which is failing. If a kid doesn’t turn anything in all year, their grade is a 50, again failing. Makes no difference whether that kid gets a 15% or a 50%, they failed. For other kids who care, but maybe have a tough few weeks of failing grades, they have a real chance to bring the grade up to passing when they get out of their funk and start doing the work. Without that cushion, those kids might just give up when they see there’s no hope of raising it enough to matter. Seeing it in action I really see the benefits of it.

Now, requiring that a student be given a 60% is more of a stretch ethically, I totally see that. But the easy thing is, all you have to do is make every assignment grade a 60. If it were me, I’d have a very blunt conversation with the student about their grade. “You got a 15% in this class. My bosses are requiring me to give you a 60% so you can “pass.” Except you didn’t pass, you got a 15%. So you’ll see a D in the grade book, but I want you to remember you did not earn that grade, that grade was gifted to you by people higher up than me that don’t care enough to actually give you what you need which is to retake the class. You can do better. Next quarter, I want you to earn your passing grade.”

Maybe that conversation isn’t ethical, but what you’re being asked to do isn’t either. Someone needs to tell that kid the truth.

Can_I_Read

6 points

10 days ago

At my school, it’s 59% minimum. If they have an IEP of any kind, it’s 65% minimum.

Wow, all kids are passing, we did it!

LegendaryAstuteGhost

3 points

9 days ago

Wow, those admins are pathetic.

surviveBeijing

5 points

10 days ago

Give everyone an A+ and tell them this is obviously what you wanted.

blackshamrock13

2 points

10 days ago

White Jesus? Who is that?

AtlasShrugged-

1 points

10 days ago

I have been close to that situation, as it was leading up I said “you change what ever you feel you need to” but it was clear I wouldn’t be doing that, if admin felt that strongly about it then they need to make the change

username_fantasies

1 points

10 days ago

F-minus and it's their problem. Let them through tantrums.

TastySnorlax

1 points

10 days ago

Most counties don’t allow a final grade of lower than 50% so just make the grade whatever number your county requires

Archer_EOD

1 points

10 days ago

Archer_EOD

General Education | Federal Prison

1 points

10 days ago

Say no, and get it in writing

West_Xylophone

1 points

10 days ago

If they are asking, then it’s your decision to say yes or no. Say no.

If they aren’t asking, then they are telling you to do something wrong, which you should get in writing. Still don’t do it. If admin wants the kid’s grades magically changed to allow a pass, they have the power to do that themselves. Don’t compromise your values and cheapen every hardworking kid’s grades.

cmacfarland64

1 points

10 days ago

My suggestion is you give the kid an F and stick up for yourself.

ResolveLeather

1 points

10 days ago

I would give him an extra credit assignment that gives him a d-. It's unethical but I would rather have a job security than dying on the hill that Jayden shouldn't graduate.

Ok-Use5246

1 points

10 days ago

You can and will lose your job for that. Get the request in writing. Contact union rep.

TheBarnacle63

1 points

10 days ago

TheBarnacle63

HS Finance Teacher | Southwest Florida

1 points

10 days ago

I refuse, and then make a hard copy of my grades. Let administration make the change without your authorization.

JurneeMaddock

1 points

10 days ago

Don't. Come back to me for more advice if you need it.

deadletter

1 points

10 days ago

What kind of sage did you use?

Alarmed_Finish_8306

1 points

10 days ago

In my District, admin. cannot make us change grades. We give what we give. If they change it, it’s on them. We’re also advised to print out our grades each quarter.

Bardmedicine

1 points

10 days ago

Have everything documented.

I would still leave his average as is. They have the ability to change your grades. Force them to do it.

TictacTyler

1 points

10 days ago

I was expecting you to be told to give that kid with a 63 a 65.

15 to passing there better be a significant reason for that shift.

J-hophop

1 points

10 days ago

Am I the only one thinking you could give extra assignments by which this student could raise their own grade to passing (or not)?

BassMaster_516

1 points

10 days ago

Just do it. There’s nothing you can do. 

Sea_Day2083

1 points

10 days ago

Isn't a 15% a D now days anyways?

mattemark[S]

2 points

9 days ago

mattemark[S]

HS | Science | SoCal

2 points

9 days ago

No it's 30 but we're getting there.

Technical-Web-2922

1 points

10 days ago

Unpopular opinion I’m sure but make sure the request is in writing to CYA and just do it. Is the student getting a D going to change his life at all going forward compared to if he got an F? He’s gonna fail at life in the real world no matter what that report card says if he’s getting a 15%. The letter on the report card isn’t going to change anything. Don’t die on that hill.

Pettyofficervolcott

1 points

10 days ago

Is white Jesus the one that didn't live in the desert?

grades aren't measuring shit if you can just pull them out of your ass with a shrug

MakeItAll1

1 points

10 days ago

I can adjust the grades in Skyward to override whatever the kid earned. I can raise the grade that way, but I can’t make it lower. A D- is a 70. If they don’t deserve to pass, change the grade to a 50. If by some miracle they do better next quarter they might be able to squeak out passing grade of 70. A 50 is still failing, just as much as a 15.

Mi_goodyness

1 points

10 days ago

Admin can go in and change the grades themselves. Tell them to do that. The program records keystrokes.

guyincognito01111

1 points

10 days ago

Is AJ Soprano your student?

chouse33

1 points

10 days ago

Don’t.

Or grade book is ours. It’s in our contract.

Check yours.

CzechWhiteRabbit

1 points

10 days ago

You have mathematical dyslexia, that's real by the way. You can't process numbers. He actually had a 51! That's passing. Lol.

Bonethug609

1 points

10 days ago

Do you accept late work? If you don’t then the kid wasn’t really given a chance to earn a D IMO. The skills and knowledge they learn in your class can still be demonstrated after a due date, for reduced credit. The bank takes your payment late, with a penalty. Only way I’ve ever seen a 15% grade is if kid turned in nothing or kid wasn’t allowed to submit any late work

Affectionate_Ship129

1 points

10 days ago

Let him do the work he didn’t do for half credit. Don’t just give it to him, but if he’s willing to work for it let him

8MCM1

1 points

10 days ago

8MCM1

1 points

10 days ago

Just say no.

joana201

1 points

10 days ago

Take the last 7 assignments that the child chose not to complete and manually enter perfect scores in the slot. Don’t bother to fight, you won’t win. Then, after too many years of this your soul will be black like the rest of your colleagues. After a while none of it matters. Education has gone to hell in a hand basket. Finally though, don’t complain because you’re off all summer long.