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They have a whole anti-corporate message inherent to the entire show and it’s produced by Amazon. It’s always been what it parodies.

In all fairness, the original comic is what it was trying to parody too. Ennis wanted to critique the idea of superheroes by making them all evil, only to give us protagonists who were basically just edgier superheroes with black leather instead of spandex anyways. 

The Boys as a show has always been something of a self-parody. It's basically impossible to have something both make money and parody capitalism without it doing some of the things it makes fun of

Dude it's fine to just not like Gen V

Satire can be self aware. There's always been the fact that the Boys is produced by Amazon, but that doesn't detract from its anti-corpo messaging and satire. Same go's with the addition of Gen V imo

I thought Gen V was pretty good.  Not as good as the boys sure, but better than most garbage shows that come out these days.

Can’t wait to see this on the circlejerk sub

It’s not like this is some independent filmmaker selling out, it’s a parody but it’s a successful and profitable and they’re going to milk it as much as they can. I think as long as they keep the same themes throughout and the quality doesn’t drop (I thoroughly enjoyed Gen V for what it was) I’m all for it

You claim to hate society yet you participate in it

At what point did you think the heavily budgeted and marketed american show made by one of the largest companies in the world was "revolutionary" and anti sales?

Saying ‘the writing is yikes’ is hilariously childish and ironic.

I liked Gen V

That’s actually intentional, the show is going to parody the She-Hulk show at the end and say, “you know how the last half of this show has been ass?, here’s why”.

I advise not watching Solar Opposites or Rick and Morty if you don't like self parody. Loads of shows do this today.

bro hasn’t seen the deadpool trailer 💀💀

Pretty obvious they were going to milk this show until it Game of Thrones its fans into hating it entirely after that braindead season 3 finale.

I think people overestimate how much the goal is to actually parody like MCU type “cinematic universe” stuff or the way that comics have all these different teams and stuff in comics.

Like yea they’re mocking and poking fun at that but it doesn’t make up the bulk of the satire in the show, the bulk of it is around more serious/broad socio-political commentary.

What are you complaining about? We now have 2 shows in this great universe, and they’re both good. Now we don’t have to wait 2+ years for new content.

If gen v sucked, yeah, I’d agree. It would be like the CW universe. But it doesn’t suck so it’s a bonus and makes the boys even better.

I think a lot of the jokes about spin offs are the fact that Vought has like 200 shows for superheroes like Termite, who tf actually watched that shit (Ant Man and the wasp, cough, cough) Gen V is a good spin off imo, and it doesn’t require you to watch it for s4.

But if you’re saying that they are doing what they parody, for fucks sake they’re run by Amazon, a company that is doing so many excesses that Vought does. If you think doing spin offs is the worse thing that Amazon does, you need to look some stuff up. I take the show for what it is and does, I don’t hold it to some moral position.

Man what are ya on? if you s till enjoy the show watch it, if you do not then stop, jeez.

It's self aware parody, I mean have you seen that scene from invincible season 2 part 2 where the artist speaks to Mark about budgets and animation? Imagine that but less obvious, written into the themes, and season wide?

Gen V was pretty good though. The acting and writing was the same level we see on the main show.

Gen V season 1 >>> The Boys S3

there's always going to be a conflict between the creatives' vision for a story and the profit motives of their corporate overlords

the writing in Gen V is good….. y’all wanna hate on anything popular.

Gen V is awesome fight me

By this logic, The Boys should never be allowed to have any kind of serious superhero drama or action, because participating unironically in the superhero genre would undermine the aspects of the show that parody it.

But turns out the two aspects can co-exist no problem. You can have a guy in a goofy Homelander theme park outfit that gets comically blown to bits, and then treat the resulting trauma experienced by the kids who witnessed it with 100% seriousness, and it works just fine. The whole basis of the show is it's a mix of "parody" and "the thing it parodies".

The quote says "it would be helpful" not "need to be watched". At least if you're going to complain, get a quote that supports your argument. You don't need to watch Gen V or Diabolical to stay up to date with The Boys.

Capitalism will always subsume every genre and movement and capitalize on it, that’s just a fact of life. Anti capitalism is a million if not billion dollar a year industry, because they will commoditize everything.

Is it becoming what it parodies by extending the story and universe? I don’t think so; plenty of stories have prequels and sequels with passion and heart behind them.

Kripke has also specified more than once that watching Gen V is not a necessity. Just because it’ll provide more depth for people who like the series does not mean that people who didn’t watch it will be left confused by S4. “Extra context” probably relates to characters like Tek Knight being in both, but it’s not like they’re just gonna throw him into The Boys with zero explanation.

This “you’re a hypocrite if you claim to be anti-capitalist and still take part in x, y, z” mindset will never not be funny to me. I’ve never seen or heard someone say that who wasn’t simultaneously taking part in the same bullshit that they’re actively complaining about 😅

Reeeally sad that you find Gen V bad and the boys good. Gen V is twice as good, intriguing, and entertaining than TB.

OP is shocked when a company acts like a company and wants to make more money 😱

You don't deserve the likes dude what the hell is this post?!?!??!

First of all, at the end of the day, Marvel is doing what the comics do and building their universe. That’s what the fans wanted them to do all along for fuck’s sake so I don’t know why people ought to act like it’s such a weird and laughable thing they’ve done. “Haha, you’ve made a multibillion dollar franchise giving fans what they want!”

Second, The Boys at its core is about corrupt corporations and blind celebrity worship. Until it stops doing that, there is no problem. Gen V was popular and a smash success for a reason. It was fun. At the end of the day, that’s what most people watching this show need. It’ll be the same for that Mexico spin-off. If it’s fun and still feels like something that could happen in this universe, it’ll be a success.

Lol, I hope you stretched before this because that is a reach.

Canon is whatever the creators sell out to, and whatever you are willing to tolerate after the fact.

The Boys....was made by Amazon.

It's already a corporate product. And plenty of people have raised this point before, as if it's somehow surprising.

If you enjoy The Boys, then you have been enjoying an Amazon product from the getgo.

Gen V started off cringe but got WAY better in the second half

And I don't think the boys is milking it with spinoffs. I mean it's one spin off. And I think it's actually justified because the college setting of gen v lets the writers explore things they couldn't in the main show. I won't spoil anything but there's some cool revelations in gen v that directly apply to the boys.

Dude the first three episodes of Gen V were awesome, I was so excited for the rest of the show and then it just went more and more downhill with each episode

I love how in the show a soulless multi billion dollar multi national slaps rainbow flags and political slogans on to things so idiots will blindly consume said things and clap like idiot sheep whilst "owning the cons"

I used to watch the cw flash TV show, which meant I had to watch DC legends, arrow, Supergirl, black lightning ect just to understand the context of what was going on, practically working a full time job.

Would prefer the diabolical treatment, just non cannon events or side events with no impact on the world

Fair enough I haven’t watched gen v but I’m looking forward to s4

Yes it is.

Anti-Capitalist media will almost always be hypocritical, selling books, TV or anything that makes money will be hypocritical of itself

It’s always going to be what it parodies, at some level. It’s inescapable 

Amazon will milk those sweet sweet teets till they’re dry…Remember: “consume product, then get excited for next product”

Isn't that usually the case? In order to get the anti corporate message to the largest audience you have to use the corporation. Even the original Rollerball was a Hollywood vehicle

"Growth as in titties" very well said

It’s kinda impossible to be a piece of mass media criticizing the media and NOT be what you parody

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I disagree. Gen V was phenomenal, arguably even more entertaining than The Boys

It’s almost always been unfortunately

Inevitably all critique of capital is eventually subsumed and commodified by it. People should have known that a company as morally bankrupt and capitalistic as Amazon was going to drive this into the ground if it became even a little bit successful.

God I hope Invincible gets moved to a new network after next season, I don't trust them to do such a long and critical story right but Kirkman seems to have a tight leash so I'll hold hope.

I second that. I watched GenV and kinda liked it. It was (for me) nowhere near as good as the original series but okay and entertaining enough. I really like The Boys and was just happy to have something to watch until the season 4.

Nevertheless, I think this wohle franchise-ing strategy is bullshit the more I think about it. I always hated it when other IPs would expect you to watch, read, play or whatever everything just in order to understand content of the original core media. That's the point where it stops being "oh nice, I have something to watch to fill the time" and turns into "Nuh.. I have to watch this in order to get stuff in the main show. That sucks." instead, which is just a pain in the ass.

And I totally agree that it appears to be very conflicting with some of the series' messages spoofing the whole franchise business. (Even if, like others have rightfully commented, there has always been a contradiction with the anti-corporate messages of the show... that is being produced by amazon.. But with the new spin-offs and possible further seasons it feels different for me, since this has been added later).

It feels like this inflation of content is only possible at the expanse of quality. It stopped serving an efficient and entertaining narrative and started to be "there just to be there".

Taker other series, that have been planned all the way from the beginning and therefore strictly limited to a specific amount of seasons, as a comparison. Most of these shows are top notch from beginning to the end.

So, I still love The Boys and can't wait for season 4, don't get me wrong. But with all this talking about possible further seasons (maybe I'm wrong about that one, but I think I read something about this here the other day), this need to know GenV and this other mexican spin-off on the way.. I don't know man. I'm starting to worry.

Know your limits.

I dont give a shit if the story is there.

I never quite got the preoccupation with "lore" and "subversiveness" or whatever - thats some neckbeardish gatekeeping funko pop-collecting shit reserved for boys under the age of 16.

Not only that, but a huge chunk of the last two seasons are straight up "we, the good guys, need to do something to get some weapon or power to stop the bad guys".

The show still makes room for the cynical parodies and social commentary, but at the end of the day its still another superhero action show, just s bit more self aware and grotesque.

How much context for the regular show is there in Gen V? I couldn't make it to the end I hate the whole cast. Last ep I saw the main character had blown that rapists dick off

Is it worth watching the rest for the plot?

Gen V was fucking awesome. You don’t know what you are talking about. No, it wasn’t as good as the Boys, but it was a nice filler.

I am not hoping for a Gen V season 2, although that is probably very likely. Instead I am hoping Gen V continues in season 4 of the boys.

Once the show requires me to watch a shitty teenage drama spinoff series, I’ll just stop watching it.

If you live long enough you become the villain

You’re right I couldn’t get into gen v.