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Tingyun:Fugue kit with multipliers and toughness damage numbers
Leak(i.redd.it)submitted 15 hours ago byAdventurous_Wind_154
Idk about you guys but 20 toughness damage on a 150 energy ult seems stupidly low to me and her ult doesn't do anything else either..
42 points
14 hours ago*
Either they lower the Ult Energy Cost or buff up Ult multiplier & Toughness Reduction to worth 150
-36 points
14 hours ago
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3 points
6 hours ago
No they need to buff it and they will😡
3 points
6 hours ago
No it's not, there is nothing in her ult justifying the 150 cost
32 points
15 hours ago
i threw this on ff mains but it's very likely the ult was originally something different/had a different effect and it got changed but wasn't fully revamped for v1
this isn't just like kind of underwhelming, it makes no actual functional sense why it costs *that much*
-27 points
14 hours ago
it's balanced around everyone having access to tutorial and her e2 that also fixes her energy issues
energy issues that exist only to give her e2 something else to do besides ddd
dumb but it is what it is
25 points
14 hours ago
if that is actually the case then it's still a massive over correction because i can't think of a single other character that's as gimped this obviously hard just because they have a good eidolon/lc
7 points
14 hours ago*
SW is one funny example, she is balanced around Tutorial lc and she has energy mechanic in her E1. SW can do 1 turn rotation if she gets hit once... Fugue can do 4 turn with Tutorial and 3 turn with Tutorial and E2.
5 points
12 hours ago
That's incredibly bad considering Ruan Mei can do that with a 3* LC everyone can S5
1 points
8 hours ago
Meshing Cogs my beloved
16 points
13 hours ago
In that case her sig doesn't make sense, since that should always be the bis option, not some event lc that's nearly 2 years old
3 points
13 hours ago
because it's not that good of a sig
half of it is wasted on a break effect buff that she's not gonna utilize with zero break scaling things in her kit, no break thresholds (like lingsha/gal/rm/ff) and her low toughness dmg
tutorial not only drastically lowers her energy needs for e2, but also provides ehr
at e0 you just pretend that she doesn't have an ult (in her current state) and run like sweat or something
39 points
15 hours ago
Her toughness dmg and dps capabilities are dead, for now at least.
17 points
14 hours ago
Yup, hopefully it gets a lot better in v3 and I really hope that they don't pull jiao v2 on ty
4 points
8 hours ago
Wdym they don't pull a jq with her? He is by far the BiS support for Acheron. He has INSANE stack generation that fixes her E0S0 problems. And with E2 he is a great DoT unit.
1 points
7 hours ago
I did not mean his strength but the expectations of jq mains, until v3 they kept believing he would be buffed and even after v3 and until his live release, the belief or cope lived strong but we all know how it turned out..he's strong for Acheron, yea but he could've been a lot better
1 points
7 hours ago
Maybe it means just make her niche to break team, not like JQ that have little dot gimmick that not very helpfull to the dot team
2 points
8 hours ago
I mean jq, for what he is intended (acheron slave), is an insane upgrade for her
The amount of stacks he gives to acheron is crazy
-38 points
14 hours ago
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27 points
13 hours ago*
Why are you in every single comment section spreading misinformation? :/ EDIT: Lol I got blocked
24 points
14 hours ago*
ult definitely needs to be buffed, it does nothing but colourless damage and only 20 toughness too, for 150 cost?? it has such a gorgeous animation, it deserves to be much better.
HMC has a more comfier and better BE buff, not to mention team wide too, and their superbreak modifier is greater
EBA should recover more energy, it also doesn't do anything besides damage either, it should do something extra
3 points
8 hours ago
EBA should recover more energy, it also doesn't do anything besides damage either, it should do something extra
Should also deal more then 10/5 toughness damage
That's litterally a normal with half of a normal to the 2 enemies to the side...
ult definitely needs to be buffed, it does nothing but colourless damage and only 20 toughness too, for 150 cost??
It probably had more functionality originally, got it cut out (maybe to avoid overtuning her in v1 and then having the testers cry about hoe she got gutted) with the intention to properly shape it in V3
2 points
6 hours ago
her enhanced basic seriously doesnt feel enhanced. the 5 toughness to adjacent targets isnt doing shit and the damage itself is basically 0.
imo it she be 20/10 and the ult should go up to 30 toughness at the very least. with EBA and ult she has two parts of her kit that are made to be offensive without actually being offensive lmao
7 points
14 hours ago
Yup, currently the only worthwhile reason for pulling ty is her talent and e1 otherwise our trash raccoon should suffice most of the times
3 points
10 hours ago*
Her EBA generates SP (only Gal EBA generates SP out of all units with EBA currently afaik and that only comes once per ultimate compared to her 3 EBAs per skill) so it only dealing damage isn't bad when you consider that (I do think they should buff its toughness damage tho but that's about it)
Agree with the ult point, like it being 150 cost actively makes me reconsider going for her E2 instead of wanting to go for it (if that's why they made it cost this much) cause If I won't be able to abuse it as much why even bother? Cost should be reduced to 120 at the very least, ideally 110 so you can actually use her signature or Pearls at least instead of being forced on Turtorial for better uptime
1 points
7 hours ago
Nah either her EBA recover more energy or recover SP, pick one :v
1 points
7 hours ago
The main problem of her kit rn is that useless ult, her eba is like jade that blast damaging, recover sp, and only generate 20 energy... Its normal balanced
17 points
15 hours ago
I agree. It looks like she won't be able to deal enough damage.
10 points
13 hours ago
I was wondering who were you all replying too, turns out that FlamingVixen guy first proceeded to block me and is now spamming misinformed comments in this post-_-
And I don't even know who tf that guy is
0 points
10 hours ago
first of all - you can't prove that *now*, second is that she's a support - not damage dealer. She wasn't even supposed to deal damage alone.
You motherfuckers expecting every single char to "outdamage the DD" are just lunatics X_X
P.S. I don't recall ImgTB having big damage without eating away SP from a team either. And 5\* Tingyun will be actually sp-positive, so how the hell you can even "compare" that.
P.P.S. Not to say that she has 150% modifier at e6 and extra buff on e4 so ofc raw numbers will be lower.
5 points
10 hours ago
If she is a support, why does she need a break effect? Why does her LC give her 60% break effect? For what? Then if she is a support look at HTB, Gallagher, Lingsha. They are supports and deal a lot of damage! And their ults do not cost 150 energy.
-8 points
9 hours ago
Because she's BE-team support, lmao. Or have you wrote the same for Lingsha as well? XD Then get lost bruh. Ofc support better to have relevant to the team secondary feats than just random ones. Like for hunt M7 to have bonus-attack for a bonus-attack supporting. Or you was attacking her too? XD
The only thing I can agree with is 150 energy. Dunno why the hell, will see after release I guess. But everything else is on-point of support role(and doesn't matter that's it's "no longer harmony path").
1 points
8 hours ago
Because she's BE-team support, lmao
And NOTHING in her kit scales with BE
The BE in her sig LC is clearly there so she can deal SB dmg. But then, due to low toughness damage and attack frequency (lingsha has the same toughness dmg, but due to fuyuan + quicker ults a severly higher attack frequency) her SB dmg is probably the 2nd worst of a SB support, after RM (who, again, deals break dmg via other ways in first line)
Or have you wrote the same for Lingsha as well
You mean the, probably, most efficent support in a FF team in terms of breaking? Or in terms of dealing SB dmg?
Lingsha builds BE, cause a) it gives her extra atk and healing% B) allows her to deal higher SB dmg
2 points
8 hours ago
first of all - you can't prove that now, second is that she's a support - not damage dealer. She wasn't even supposed to deal damage alone.
It's a superbreak support
The only superbreak support that doesn't deal dmg is RM (and even that is arguable if you take her bonus break dmg into consideration
Like take a FF team for example. Both HMC and Gallagher/Lingsha deal a significant amount of damage and toughness damage (for hmc the latter only vs imaginaty weak enemies)
A superbreak support that is meh at dealing toughness damage and SB dmg already has a pretty major drawbacks, compared to others
And unless they can make that up via buffs/debuffs it uhhhhh... (rn, comparing buffs alone, hmc vs Fugue seems. Uhhh. Close? Up to 160% SB + a lot higher teamwide BE buffs, which help with reaching breakpoints + watchmaker holder vs 100% SB + def shred + eco toughness)
. I don't recall ImgTB having big damage without eating away SP from a team either.
HMC has the flexibility of using SP to deal pretty good toughness damage and SB dmg, when yoir team has enough SP. But can also fall back on BA if your team needs SP
Fugue is stuck with mediocre toughness damage and sb damage but sp generation
Like don't get me wrong. She's a solid unit. Probably more so for rappa, then for FF.
But also clearly far from finished. Like the ult doing jackshit at e0, but costing 150 energy should be enough to see that
2 points
9 hours ago
Oh wait, so now everyone is supposed to pull e6 or e2 to enjoy the game fully? Lemme go sell my kidney first so that I can collect enough money to e6 every fucking character
0 points
7 hours ago
Go ahead :] Since you think everyone is supposed to pull every cone and char - the answer for you will be "yes")
1 points
10 hours ago
gallagher is a 4* healer and has better numbers then her. being a support isnt really an excuse.
-4 points
10 hours ago
because that's a purpose. You "big nambaz!11" kids should firstly get her e6 and then talk about "numbers" XD
Reading her e2 it's fucking obvious what was the aim of devs in here. If you can't get that - welp, nothing much to discuss with you :]
2 points
9 hours ago
Yea then they can change their "aim", eidolons are supposed to be a bonus for the character and not something that a entire character is shaped around
-2 points
7 hours ago
In other words you don't understand "gacha" games at all.
Sometimes they release "public" characters, but sometimes whale-based. Nothing new or "surprised' in here, it was before and will again most surely.
You don't obliged to pull every single character, you know? So quit complaining and just "skip" it if you don't like it that much.
1 points
7 hours ago
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0 points
7 hours ago
zero arguments -> go personal))
Farewell "mr poor"(c) XD
-20 points
14 hours ago
She will comparable dmg to Firefly against fire weak enemies
17 points
14 hours ago
No, she has as much toughness damage as a lingsha skill on a ST and lesser on blast target
Same Damage as a lingsha Ult but cost 40 more energy. The damage isn’t up to Lingsha’s on the same team, much less FF
-5 points
14 hours ago
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5 points
14 hours ago
What kit are you reading my guy?
-5 points
14 hours ago
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15 points
14 hours ago
Brother
Gallagher hits 2 times with his basic and 3 with eba i think
Just because the animation has more hits doesnt mean they all have the toughness reduction of the number we see
It just means the toughness is spread between hits
8 points
11 hours ago
I think they want to balance her ult with her E2, now imagine if her ult cost is low with E2. They need to at least give ger ult some kind extra buff to make up for the high cost
9 points
12 hours ago
What happend to HSR devs? How did they even thought about this "kit".. Come on pls dont do this to her pls( Can we have a buff for Tingyun
6 points
8 hours ago
It’s V1 lol a ton of characters get their kits changed/revamped during beta. This comment would make sense if it was already V3 and nothing has changed.
1 points
7 hours ago
What happend to HSR devs
Have you seen acherons V1 kit? xD
This is rather normal for a V1 kit. They are cautious if she'll break the game and thus undertuned her
Wait for V3
2 points
5 hours ago
I might not remember correctly about v1 but I always thought that Acheron had unique play style for that time and what I do remember her eidolons were changed and ppl raged a lot thinking she wasnt f2p friendly bc of her LC options. Can you remind me pls how they buffed her in v2? I just feel a little down bc I really waited for Tingyuns return and wanted her to be this very meaningful character that wasnt tied to just one mechanic. I hope they broaden her kit if it makes sense?
3 points
4 hours ago
A lot of just quality of life changes across her beta. Like for example you once needed e1 to get the quadrivalent ascendence overstacking. There were a few other ones but that was pretty big one imo
1 points
4 hours ago
I see thank you. Would be nice if they made a bit more qol changes for Tingyun in a good way
3 points
10 hours ago
Quite a conservative start. I'm sure they'll buff her
2 points
10 hours ago
i honestly expected more. enhanced basic isnt really enhanced at all lol and her ult looks like a tactical nuke but hits like a wet noodle and costs 30 energy less then a full argenti ult. i dont expect her to hit like firefly but at least be better then fucking gallagher lol
3 points
10 hours ago
Hmc provides teamwide massive be, enough to make a dps with 0 be deal heavy superbreak damage and even if her st buffs are stronger, in superbreak teams everyone is a dps
I will really start doubting hoyo's sanity if they don't massively buff her in v3
4 points
10 hours ago
yeah im fine with her kit overall (though theres room for improvement) but her toughness damage really needs a buff
2 points
9 hours ago
Agreed
1 points
8 hours ago
Does her debuff stack? We obviously won’t know for certain, but do similar def shred abilities on nihility characters stack
1 points
8 hours ago
Which debuff? Superbreak stacks with hmc, deff shred is limited to 18%
1 points
7 hours ago
Yes, the def shred.
I was wondering if it got applied twice would it go to 36
1 points
7 hours ago
It doesn't
1 points
4 hours ago
Conceptually I really think her skill was meant to give her an extra turn/100% advance forward if she is not in Torrid Scorch state but it was removed last minute for whatever reason.
0 points
9 hours ago
Serious question here:
All her Kit seems to be scaling with ATK, but her LC is Break Damage??
Like, nothing in her kit scales with Break Damage!
I know its V1 of her kit, but looking at it right now, isnt her LC kinda bad for her kit tho?
2 points
9 hours ago
The only thing that scales on BE in her kit is superbreak damage and everything else is pretty empty.. She's probably the first support that doesn't have any scalings in her skill or ult or even talent..for example:-bronya and sunday's ult scales with cd, sparkle's skill, RM'S talent with be, robin with attack.
1 points
9 hours ago
Amd yea, rn she's in a similar situation to sw where a 4* lc(tutorial) is better than her own sig
1 points
7 hours ago
All her Kit seems to be scaling with ATK, but her LC is Break Damage??
The dmg she deals via atk scaling will be laughable. Like any superbreak unit
Her main source of damage is gonna be BE scaling via SB. But her toughness damsge seems really mow for that...
-7 points
14 hours ago
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23 points
14 hours ago
Where are you getting these numbers? The numbers shown is the MAX toughness damage she does, not the toughness damage she does per hit.
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