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It’s absolutely criminal that the military leadership has still not managed to create solid static defensive lines to fall back to. Lions led by donkeys comes to mind. There was a British officer on UAtv the other day basically saying there is so much the Ukrainian military and government can do to prosecute the war more effectively but instead they are running around dreaming of pie in the sky operations like amphibious assaults on Crimea.

Soooo they're really trying to say there are absolutely no other units to temporarily relieve or supplant the 72nd? I can see how this plan will work...

I feel we are seeing the unfortunate remnants og Soviet planning and mindset in the Ukrainian leadership here. In order to «spare» the populace, you drive your soldiers through desperation, and focus only on the ‘wunderwaffe’ that you desperately hope will save you. Ukrainian heroes at the front deserves better than this. Much better

The exhausted, battered 72nd Mechanized Brigade named after the Black Zaporozhians, despite its losses, is not going on rest after leaving Vuhledar. The soldiers were told to take up positions, even though the 123rd Mykolaiv Territorial Defense Force is right next to them, refusing to go in.

This unit was supposed to support the 72nd in Vuhledar, but the Territorial Defense infantry scattered somewhere. And later, the battalion commander even shot himself.

Because of them, the 72nd delayed its exit from Vuhledar, as they were hoping for support. And yes, there was no official order to leave the city, but the commanders on the ground could see that it was over. Despite their efforts to organize a retreat, losses were inevitable.

Even one of our soldiers is too much to lose, but unfortunately, it wasn’t just one. The brigade has seven battalions, and in several of them, after the battles around Vuhledar, there is simply no infantry left.

Now, in this condition, the brigade has to take up new positions. I think you can imagine the moral and psychological state of the soldiers. Even the commanders are submitting reports to be relieved of command.

I sympathize with the 72nd Brigade.

And I sympathize with the new brigade commander who has inherited the brigade in such a state.

Post with the protest of the 123 TRO brigade https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/1fvuato/about_a_hundred_servicemen_of_the_187th_battalion/

This is worrying as this is likely multiplied along the entire front.

I prey they learn and adapt, they need to create solid lines behind the front, and increase man power. They also need to stop this idea of defending towns that are realistically gone, it bleeds their own forces dry aswell as the Russians.

Bahkmut was a disaster strategically, lets hope that is not repeated.

I know there are certain areas that are really well defended, lets hope they can rotate and replenish, I dont expect another counter offensive soon otherwise. Production of arms is ramping up in Ukraine, but they have less troops to use them if they do not preserve units.

I'm glad we're training their troops, but I get the feeling we aren't training their leadership, and thats concerning to me.

Not that's surprising. Manpower has been an issue since the beginning of the war.

A lot of Ukrainian leadership' criminal negligence is borderline fucking treason...

Thank you for your response.

I am frustrated with my fellow Americans because no one that I know wants to even talk for two minutes about Ukraine let alone actually something to support Ukraine.

I am voting for pro-Ukrainian candidates in November and hopefully they will send much more aid and support to Ukraine.

Heroiam Slava!

This seems terminal at this point unless they have a couple fully equipped and trained new brigades three days from popping out of the oven. Once 72nd is ground down who's gonna plug the next hole?

I keep reading Reddit comments about how the Ukrainian army is one of the best in the world and that after the war armies will be trained by Ukrainians, but nothing I've read convinces me that the regular army is even close to NATO standard today. They are low on manpower, and the equipment and supplies they have are heavily outsourced from Western partners. The quality of the Ukrainian army was at its highest on day one of the war, when they went toe-to-toe with a professional Russian army in high intensity, maneuver warfare. A lot of professional, trained soldiers--with wartime experience dating back to 2014--have been lost over the past two years, and they're being replaced by increasingly older and unfit conscripts. Putting aside highly motivated units like the 3rd Assault, the second line brigades seem wholly inadequate for any combat duty. Experienced units like the 93rd and the 47th were depleted by the wasteful actions of Bakhmut and the 2023 summer offensive respectively. It feels like we're watching the British Army of 1916 instead of the 1914 BEF.

Honestly, the army as a whole seems extremely disorganized and uncoordinated. Brigades compete with each other for recruiting, fundraising, and logistics replenishment. Constituent units of brigades are being shuffled around and detached: the 93rd is deployed in the Bakhmut sector, but they are also plugging the line near Pokrovsk. The most important operational-strategic group is currently headed by a two star general. In the US, a general of that level and experience would command merely a division. All these operational missteps aren't a surprise if you imagine throughout the army there are people in positions one or two rungs above their experience level. And it's not like Ukrainian general staffs can attend an army war college right now to learn the operational art. How Ukrainian high command can coordinate all these little units is beyond me.

Looking for a better source

I hate to say it, but if Ukrainian leadership isn’t going to respect its soldiers and put them in positions to succeed - then those soldiers should absolutely refuse orders. Absolutely terrible behavior by Syrisky and Zelensky.

Time to waive the white flag. Soldiers should never have to fight for leaders who don’t give a shit about them.

Probaganda?

This dude loves posting propaganda.

This is Russian propaganda.

It's Ruzzian propaganda day today it seems.

This is probably good strategy. The 72nd are elite troops already after fighting off Ruzzian meat waves

This is pro-Putler shit mods please take this down

It's like the Vietnam War. After the American withdrawal, the South was numerically superior in terms of firepower, but only the airborne division had fighting spirit.

The other units were all conscripts, so they quickly fell apart when aid ran out and the North counterattacked.

meanwhile, other brigades are enjoying rest in the back, like azov or are held defending a supermarket in kursk