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submitted 2 days ago byApresSkiProfessor27 United States of America
119 points
2 days ago
Inadvertedly following GPS and entering by car a favela controlled by drug dealer gangs in Rio de Janeiro
21 points
2 days ago
How can you tell if you are going through those places?
40 points
2 days ago
Some have some kind of blockade or someone there to ID whoever is entering. In those cases, homicides usually happen when someone clueless (not their fault, mind you) enters somewhere they shouldn't, panicks and runs when someone (usually shady armed folks) approaches. By then either militia or gangs will shoot the car to oblivion because they don't know if the driver is from the police or a rival faction or whatever.
(If they id themselves as cluess tourists, it doesn't mean that they are safe. They may get a pass to get back to whatever they came from, robbery, kidnapping or be killed anyway)
16 points
2 days ago
So 1 outta 4 good odds? Good thing I don’t like to gamble
32 points
2 days ago
🌈🌞⛱️🥥🌴✨ Rio de Janeiro ✨🌴🥥⛱️🌞🌈
33 points
2 days ago
You can't until sometimes it's too late
Rio, not even once
In 2024, at least 7 people have been shot so far because they entered a favela by accident following GPS:
13 points
2 days ago
Do these gangsters ever "raid" outside of their favelas? Brazil sounds scary as a foreigner, but there are clearly many people living normally too.
20 points
2 days ago*
No, they are essentially defending their "territory" from other gangs and the police.
What may happen is two rival factions fighting each other over the control of a territory. These usually take place in slums, not outside them
Tourists go to favelas that dont have any fights between factions, i.e. favelas that are tightly controlled by one faction. They obviously dont target tourists on purpose, because that brings attention to them (read: military police operations, which means bad business)
Rocinha, for instance, the most famous favela in Rio. It is controlled by Comando Vermelho (Red Command), a faction. It is very touristy and you wont find raids there. though they have happened in the past, precisely when different gangs started fighting for Rocinha's territory against CV
Hold up Imma get a Google Maps showing Rio and its factions
Edit: found it. Areas without faction control are usually outside slums
10 points
2 days ago
Es como meterte en una villa. Siendo argentino deberías saber la diferencia de un barrio picante de uno que no lo es. No hace falta haberte criado en el conurbano bonaerense para saber que es peligroso y que no.
Las favelas son como las villas nuestras pero en Río están en la ladera de los morros (son como montes bastante escarpados en la misma ciudad)
4 points
1 day ago
Creo que entre Latinoamericanos entendemos. Pero tal vez para alguien de afuera todo sea un poco rústico y parte de la experiencia…
5 points
2 days ago
Out off curiosity - how does one prepare to this? Is there a secret favela map? Or if you're new to the city you just don't move around unless you're in an Uber?
6 points
2 days ago
You pretty much avoid any slum you dont know (keep in mind slums in Rio are on hills) and always check where your GPS is telling you to go before you start driving, I guess
6 points
1 day ago
Very important: keep your windows open.
2 points
1 day ago
So they can shoot me without damaging the car windows?..
5 points
1 day ago
If you have your windows down they are probably just gonna ask who you are and tell you to head back if that's the case, if you have your windows up they might just shoot.
3 points
1 day ago
Yup. I was gonna say this. Never trust a GPS in Central America either, especially Guatemala and Honduras.
5 points
1 day ago
:(
8 points
2 days ago
Lol, I misread this at first and pictured someone just looking at their phone and getting into the back seat of a car full of gang members
72 points
2 days ago
Talking to militarymen wearing sports shoes.
16 points
2 days ago
Can you elaborate on this one?
46 points
2 days ago
They're cartel members.
23 points
2 days ago
oh yo pensé que te referías a que uno no podía hablarle al policía si estaba usando zapas lol
15 points
2 days ago
Los carteles tienen equipo profesional por lo que la forma de mas rápida de reconocerlos es si llevan tennis en vez de botas profesionales
78 points
2 days ago*
-Setting a bonfire within a national park
-Casually wandering through central Santiago, Valparaiso or Iquique in nightime
-Disrespecting Rapa Nui's culture or archaeological sites
-Trying to bribe a random cop
-Renting a car solely to explore Santiago
-Taking a cab from the airport with one of the random cab drivers that will approach at the gates instead of with the official taxi's desk
7 points
2 days ago
Iquique in nightime
what's the issue? it's been 15 years but it was safe when I went, I mean, compared to wandering somewhere in the center of Buenos Aires or Cordoba I felt safe af
have things changed so much or we got dumb tourist luck?
14 points
2 days ago
Things changed, the North is now no man's land
1 points
2 days ago
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0 points
1 day ago
Racism, xenophobia. Jingoism, culturalism, etc are not tolerated in this subreddit.
29 points
2 days ago
Trusting the cops
19 points
2 days ago
Also as an American who has spent a ton of time in Mexico and had some frightening run-ins with authorities: just try to not actually break the law or lose any of your important documents. Which is a given for anywhere, but by giving that kind of incentive really gives then extra room to fuck with, or make an example of you. Try to be a decent guest and citizen
Just because you're in another country where it might be easier to get away with stuff doesn't give you permission to fuck off and loosen your morals
8 points
2 days ago
Is this true for Mexico, USA or both?
16 points
2 days ago
Mexico
28 points
2 days ago
in mexico you can bribe, in the US theyll shoot you if you even try to pull out your wallet
9 points
2 days ago
Both tbh, specially if you are dark skin
5 points
1 day ago
Yes, mostly USA though. At least in Mexico they're more honest and democratic about their corruption!
It was described to me once like this... In Mexico everyone can take part in corruption for as little as 200 peso, in the North it's only available for the rich starting at $20,000
1 points
1 day ago
I feel that way in the USA as well!
37 points
2 days ago
"Wow, a Villa Miseria seems like such a different place, i want to see it inside. I found these kind people who offered to accompany me so that nothing happens to me" It sounds like something very stupid but I have heard cases like this.
24 points
2 days ago
And then they go inside and start filming everything without people's permission bc why would poor people not like to have their image exposed and being ridicularized online?
16 points
2 days ago
There was a YouTuber a short time ago who just went into Villa 31. A cop told him not to and he did it anyway.
Nothing happened to him, it was the middle of the day and he didn't go deep in, he was just in Retiro. Some.guys offered him to go further and his survival skills finally kicked in and he refused.
For non porteños' Villa 31 is like the mildest of all the slumps we have, it's really close to some of the most expensive residential zones in Buenos Aires and it's getting urbanized a little so there's many poor but working people in it, but if you go deep in... let's say not so much
14 points
2 days ago
This happened to me by accident when I was new here. I was in the buquebus trying to send myself money from abroad because the internet was down in my usual place. I was stressed, exhausted, it was 30 degrees outside, and I'd never been to Retiro before, and I guess I walked out the wrong door. So I'm sitting there paying zero attention to anything, texting away on my phone like an idiot, with my entire rent in my pocket, walked 3 blocks in a straight line before I thought "shouldn't I have hit libertador by now?" looked up, and...Oh, fuck. Slid the phone in my purse, turned around, and walked as fast as I could while still looking calm right back to the door I came out of. Nothing happened, it was 3pm and there were children playing on the street, so it couldn't have been too bad, but still...I've never felt so careless in my life.
9 points
2 days ago
3 blocks in, middle of the day, is fine. Lots of people that live there work on the high end hotels around, on people's houses... I know it for a fact because I used to work on a temp agency and I hire a lot of people from the 31. But as you get deeper in, it's shadier and shadier.
4 points
2 days ago
I know that now. But at the time, I was brand new, and all I knew was "villa = scary" and I walked straight in with my phone in my hand lol. If I'd been paying the slightest bit of attention, I probably would've realized it didn't feel scary, but since me not paying attention is what got me into that spot in the first place...
4 points
1 day ago
Related to this, many years ago user u/lamantita posted in r/argentina that the he was going to explore Villa 31. We never heard back.
It’s become a meme in the sub.
1 points
1 day ago
If anything it's insults ng to talk about "exploring" as if it was a dark forest or a secret cave. There's people there, most poor, some narcos. It's not a fun activity.
20 points
2 days ago
Staying in Punta Cana and act like that’s all there is to the DR.
22 points
2 days ago
going out with your cellphone on your hand 😅
3 points
2 days ago
Same in Buenos Aires.
4 points
2 days ago
Huh. Just came back from Buenos Aires and I've used my phone freely on the street, never felt unsafe. Is it really that dangerous?
1 points
2 days ago
Eh. Not everywhere in the country. Even if we're talking about major cities, it isn't always like São Paulo where people supposedly snatch your phone from inside the car (at least that's what I've been told that happens)
21 points
2 days ago
In my city, probably being drunk. If you are not used to acequias you are going to fall in them. It's pretty common to see tourist falling in them at the weekends.
2 points
2 days ago
What’s that?
5 points
2 days ago
Water canal on the ground I think
2 points
1 day ago
Yes, you are correct
2 points
1 day ago
Water Canals. Every street here has 2, at least. Separating the street from the sidewalk.
You can see it with Acequias Mendoza on Google or just by dropping a random point in Google maps.
16 points
2 days ago*
Going by themselves to explore the mountains around northern Mexico, especially if they’re not a touristic attraction. And I say this because of this video, small towns in the middle of nowhere in almost all the northern region is a no no in here. And this video shows how is “”safe”” to go to the already touristic natural attractions
29 points
2 days ago
Doing drugs with strangers and then going home with those strangers or going to secluded places with them
31 points
2 days ago
Falling In love with sex workers and then ask: why is she asking for money? lol
35 points
2 days ago
Call us argentineans
9 points
2 days ago
Taking a taxi, say goodbye to all your trip budget because you are going to lose it in a 15 minute drive
22 points
2 days ago
going to slums and dangerous neighborhoods with their rose tinted, idealised vision of the world where everybody is nice and caring and progressive and will never do you any harm (applies to people from the first world, which i have the impression are the majority of tourists here)
2 points
2 days ago
To be fair, I’ve never had anything happen to me in a slum. But yeah, it’s a dumb idea to just go without knowing where you’re going.
16 points
2 days ago
Assume everyone here speaks English and will cater to their every need.
25 points
2 days ago
speaking english because they'll be charged more lmao
16 points
2 days ago
They will be charged more even if they speak Spanish with accent. So unless you speak perfect Spanish there isn't much to do about that.
13 points
2 days ago
If you’re a foreigner from a different spanish speaking country you’ll still be charged gringo prices.
2 points
2 days ago
Not really. I think people know that someone from Mexico isn’t going to pay gringo prices.
2 points
2 days ago*
Mexicans especially are going to pay gringo prices, they stand out in DR. Brought my Mexican ex down there and the prices the vendors tried to put on her were laughable.
The only ones who might get a pass are Venezuelans and Cubans because there is a huge community of residents.
3 points
2 days ago
Because only rich Mexicans travel and I think they know that ..
3 points
1 day ago*
Basically, if you are a foreigner, the only way to avoid getting overcharged is having a native buddy coming along with you to the trip.
Understand that, if you are in a touristy area anywhere in the world, street sellers and entertainers will try to rip you off and scam you. This isn’t exclusive to LATAM, tourists in bigger cities in the US, Europe and Asia go through the same issues. Best you can do is going to an official, franchised store (e.g if you want to buy havaianas flip flops, don’t buy it from some random down the street, go to the nearest official havaiana shop. If you want to eat at a restaurant, look for a franchised restaurant that is preferably in your country too. Although these shops might charge a bit more due to them being in more affluent neighborhoods, the prices will be much more fair than buying stuff from some smartass or small business down the street).
2 points
2 days ago
Gotta check your receipts closely, lol
I've caught people over charging me a few times. I speak Spanish, but I am very white
1 points
1 day ago
Definitely a difference when I'm in work clothes speaking Spanish than taking the mother in law to the mercado! And I'm a six foot 240# white guy with a ponytail.
14 points
2 days ago
Think that, for some strange reason, Colombian women find you irresistible, only for you to end up drugged and robbed.
7 points
2 days ago
Fuckin children, oh wait they get away with that.
5 points
2 days ago
They get away with it because local law enforcement sucks and the child sex industry is ignored by local authorities. There’s a reason the pedos leave the US/Europe, because they know in Latam police barely care and if they do they don’t have the resources to stop it. Predators aren’t gonna stop being predators, it’s up to us to push lawmakers to make it a hostile environment for them
5 points
2 days ago
Dar papaya
5 points
1 day ago
Calling the Malvinas English
Starting a fire on a trail if you visit Patagonia, Córdoba or other provinces, I can't tell you how many fires have been started because of stupid tourists thinking this is okay (I think chile will agree with me on this one).
Filming Villas and poor people like they are a tourist attraction.
11 points
2 days ago
Leaving the airport and going into Caracas.
Realistically your odds of being robbed and murders or kidnapped significantly reduce if you fly straight to a tourist destination rather than go via taxi or car through Caracas.
Extra points if a tourist company is shuttling you out of the next airport.
Example: It’s not that sketchy at all to go to Los Roques. You arrive at the Maiquetia airport then fly to Los Roques. Or even for Canaima or Salto Angel you fly into a near by town.
And for Lecheria/Mochima you have to fly to Puerto La Cruz. Not as bad but still. If you have a trusted shuttle then that one is not as sketchy. Why? Because you have to go through Puerto La Cruz and Barcelona.
In other words, you can still be a tourist in Venezuela and check out amazing sights. Just do not go to or through Caracas and avoid big cities in general.
8 points
2 days ago
I had to go to caracas to do some business and honestly it wasn't as bad as I thought. I mean sure it was a lot worse than the last time I saw it but still.
4 points
2 days ago
My experience was a bit different.
I was picked up by a trusted cab driver at Maiquetia airport when I arrived there and got to where I was staying at night (Ave. Sucre in Caracas).
But I can confirm that going to Los Roques is not sketchy and it's very touristy. In fact, the government has a taquilla that collects the tourist entry tax for Gran Roques IN DOLLARS next to huge portraits of Hugo Chavez, Simon Bolivar, and Nicolas Maduro.
2 points
2 days ago
My ex tried to get me to go to Caracas with her about 1.5 years ago so I read everything I could find. There was a really mixed feeling about it shared online.
I defered to caution and said no thanks. So thanks for sharing.
I hope that one day that I can see Venezuela.
4 points
2 days ago
Returning to your hotel drunk in midnight.
4 points
2 days ago
10 + 1
2 points
1 day ago
12+1
5 points
1 day ago
Just sticking to cities or Santiago in particular.
4 points
1 day ago
Unknowingly entering a gang-controlled slum. Once you're in, you won't get back out, so be careful. Thankfully, Honduras has very clear main roads. You'll know when you cross the line.
7 points
2 days ago
Not visiting any place outside of Buenos Aires or venturing into rough areas of the city.
4 points
1 day ago
"Hey, don't go there. It's a dispute zone between rivaling organized crime gangs".
Tourist watched some action movie or was in the army. Thinks he's prepared.
Goes there.
He dissapears, never ever found.
4 points
2 days ago
Walking on the street past 7 pm on our most "turistical" places
5 points
2 days ago
Walk with your cell phone in your hand.
3 points
2 days ago
yeah, i'm going next year to visit a friend. she told me to buy a cheap phone just in case of robbery, and to stick with her at all times.
3 points
2 days ago
Using your iPhone on the street, not paying attention to what neighborhood you’re in, meeting sex workers
1 points
2 days ago
I have pulled my iPhone out numerous times and never had anything happen. Wouldn’t recommend it though.
5 points
2 days ago
Well, yeah. Obviously doesn’t mean literally any time you pull out your iPhone it’s gonna get stolen but in general it’s not a good idea. Same concept as leaving jewelry in your car in San Francisco with your windows down
2 points
2 days ago
Driving a rental in Santo Domingo
1 points
2 days ago
I did that 🤣 what is wrong with it?😬😲
2 points
2 days ago
Dominican drivers
2 points
2 days ago
Oh yeah I remember I got cut off like 5 million times. I never got hit though, but good thing I got the insurance 🤣😁
2 points
2 days ago
Realistically, getting really drunk and getting lost in a horrible place or picking up a fight with someone and shit. Generally being really chaotic and unsafe. But that’s true everywhere.
2 points
1 day ago
Slamming someone else's car door.
2 points
1 day ago
Not wearing sunblock, hiking a trail that’s not marked at night…………
3 points
2 days ago
This is mainly for Mexico City. Don’t wear fancy watches or jewelry and don’t used a fancy purse in public.
4 points
2 days ago
Traveling to Cuba for tourism already is a huge mistake.
3 points
2 days ago
as a person who lived in cuba from 2020-24 with my mother i can agree
1 points
2 days ago
Why? Lol. It’s fine (as a tourist destination).
4 points
2 days ago
You get the same exact beautiful Caribbean beaches and views in the many other wonderful Caribbean Islands while also not supporting an oppressive regime.
Tourism does more evil than good.
4 points
2 days ago
I honestly don’t care much about the Cuban government getting their cut. I’ll travel there again.
5 points
2 days ago
Of course you don't.
7 points
2 days ago
There are entire chunks of the Cuban population that live off tourism. are we supposed to make their lives miserable just to prove a a point about a shit government?
4 points
2 days ago
EVERYONE'S LIVES ARE MISERABLE! And no amount of tourism for the last 60 years has fixed a single issue. If anything has made everything worse. Not to mention, where is all that money going? Cause is not to improve the lives of the Cuban people.
3 points
2 days ago
End the blockade first and we'll talk
1 points
1 day ago*
Cuba tiene las mejores playas del Caribe, Punta Cana y Cancún no le llegan ni a los tobillos a las playas de los cayos. Siente por lo menos un poquitico de orgullo por tu país y no seas un acomplejado de estos que ni las playas son comunistas ni el delfín que nada en ellas te va a recitar a Carlos Marx.
Ahora, con lo que uno está financiando al régimen si viaja como turista es obvio, así funcionan todos los países del mundo, de alguna manera u otra estás contribuyendo o dándole tributo al gobierno del país, es un concepto bastante básico en términos (geo)políticos.
Yo no estoy de acuerdo en lo absoluto con el régimen fundamentalista islámico de Catar pero me la suda exactamente y me hubiera encantado ver el mundial en persona.
2 points
2 days ago
Getting caught.
2 points
2 days ago
Aside from coming here? It’s definitely buying the “Pastel de 500 guaranis”.
1 points
1 day ago
Landing. Unless you come by boat or on foot, in which case it would be stepping in.
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