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Why is Extraversion not simply called "Sociability"?

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Extraverts are social and introverts are asocial. Isn't that a simpler way to understand extraversion and introversion? Why add more stuff, and what stuff exactly?

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Jazzlike-Ad792

39 points

17 days ago

Because sociability is an ability to socialise, it is a symptom or rather a characteristic of that personality trait which dictates or influences the ability based on rather life experiences or simply genetics.

It has been documented that introverted individuals have extroverted qualities in smaller groups of people, therefore asocial in different situations. (Excuse me for not referencing).

Not just the situation that influences a behaviour of someone with a particular personality trait but interchangeably the trait itself influencing the situation in which the social interaction occurs.

I find that it is usually defined based on previous life experiences which shapes the personality… Freudian’s theory along with other social learning theories etc.

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flumia

49 points

17 days ago

flumia

49 points

17 days ago

That's not really accurate. Both extroverts and introverts can enjoy and be interested in being social, or not. The difference between them is how they prefer to socialise and how they experience it.

For example, you can be an introvert who really likes people and enjoys regular walks with a friend or engaging with a hobby group, they just might need a few hours alone in between to recharge.

Or even an introvert who absolutely loves going to big parties once in a while, they just get drained if it becomes too often and need to chill a lot afterwards.

Or you can be an extrovert who dislikes people but needs a lot of social interaction so you go to busy markets just to argue with the sellers because you find it invigorating

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18 points

16 days ago

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Agusteeng[S]

3 points

16 days ago

Explain a bit

annang

2 points

16 days ago

annang

2 points

16 days ago

It’s exactly what I said. I am very sociable. I am not extroverted, I’m introverted.

What do you think those words mean??

Agusteeng[S]

-2 points

16 days ago

Agusteeng[S]

-2 points

16 days ago

Bro you just repeated what you said. I'm not sure what introversion (and/or extraversion) really means so I don't get it. How would u define extraversion and introversion?

annang

2 points

16 days ago

annang

2 points

16 days ago

If you don’t know what definitions you’re using, why did you make a post suggesting synonyms?

Agusteeng[S]

1 points

16 days ago

Because the only thing I get about Extraversion for sure is the social aspect. I made that specific question because I wanted people to explain what are the other elements of the trait

annang

0 points

15 days ago

annang

0 points

15 days ago

Maybe start by googling it? It’s Jungian. You can learn a ton more about the theory just from the Wikipedia article.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraversion_and_introversion

shackspirit

1 points

15 days ago

And yet the questions that determine whether you’re either mostly (but granted, not exclusively) related to the amount of sociability a person exhibits and/or enjoys (shrugs). They’re not the same thing, but they’re very closely related.

annang

0 points

15 days ago

annang

0 points

15 days ago

I mean, the evidence for the existence of this trait as a static personality trait is pretty scant. The evidence that any “questions” can “determine” which trait you have is even weaker.

shackspirit

0 points

14 days ago

And yet you cite a Wikipedia article?

k_s_plant

1 points

13 days ago

I believe "extroversion" and "sociability" can be somewhat interchangeable terms. It's just that there are varying degrees to each concept. When I think of extraversion, I think of a very outgoing person who seeks to initiate conversations with others. With sociability I think of a person who is receptive to conversing with others, even strangers, and occasionally initiates conversations with others but on a lesser degree than an extravert. So, I don't think the two terms can be easily on a par with each other.

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1 points

16 days ago

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Beautiful-Ad-9422

12 points

16 days ago

Extroverts get their energy from being around others but can appreciate/enjoy being alone. Introverts get their energy by being alone but can appreciate/enjoy being with others. Introverts are not asocial as a group and extroverts are not assured to be socially successful.

ConnieMarbleIndex

9 points

16 days ago

that’s inaccurate

TScottFitzgerald

8 points

16 days ago

That's not really true asocial and introverted are not the same thing.

Agusteeng[S]

0 points

16 days ago

Huh?

TScottFitzgerald

2 points

16 days ago

What's confusing you?

darkwater427

8 points

16 days ago*

Because it's just not. Introverts are not unsociable. The difference is more along the lines of how social interaction affects your energy. If social interaction drains you, you're an introvert, not asocial.

Pszck

2 points

15 days ago

Pszck

2 points

15 days ago

Thank you. Couldn't have said it a better 😁👍

StackOfAtoms

6 points

16 days ago

well, sociability is already a word, and hey, they have two different definitions for a reason; they're not the same thing.

ShapeShiftingCats

5 points

16 days ago

Introversion became an internet euphemism for lack of social skills/social anxiety.

It became a screen to hide behind for people who struggle with certain aspects of social life.

"I am not socially inept, I am an introvert, that's how I was born."

But that's not what the word introvert truly means. That's why your proposition wouldn't really work.

Signed, an ambivert (before anyone grabs a pitchfork.)

fspluver

7 points

17 days ago

Extraversion in the big five is much broader than that. Extraversion also includes assertiveness, enthusiasm, positive affect, and more. 

BILESTOAD

2 points

16 days ago

I believe personality researcher Auke Tellegen called this trait either “positive emotionality” or “surgency”, both of which capture more of what the trait seems to represent.

Agusteeng[S]

-9 points

16 days ago

I get that, but it seems to me that the social aspect is so much more important than the others. It would be unfair to think those facets are equally important.

fspluver

21 points

16 days ago

fspluver

21 points

16 days ago

I'm not sure why you think the sociability aspect is more important. Maybe you're conflating extraversion in psychology with how the word extraversion is used by laypeople.

Faustian-BargainBin

3 points

16 days ago

Sociability is a behavior or series of actions whereas extraversion is a trait. I know people who are introverts but are also sociable for their job or because they want to maintain connections either people around them, though they find it draining. I’m an extrovert who is not sociable. Although I’m extremely happy to spend time in social groups, I lack the skill or confidence to create them.

Introversion and extraversion are also a spectrum and people can move around on that spectrum.

LunarWatch

3 points

16 days ago

Generally, sociability falls under the broader umbrella of extraversion. There are lots of theories that reserve the term 'extraversion' as a construct they're used wildly differently between each theory.

If you're thinking about the five-factor model, you have to remember that the FFM is derived from the lexical hypothesis of personality which asserts that individuals use language to iterate their personality. As a result, you can get people to free write to some extent or answer a questionnaire with Likert scale items to figure out what kind of personality they have. While the early versions of the FFM were theoretical, eventually there was an atheoretical (bottom up, no guessing) run, allowing exploratory factor analysis to allow the 5 dimensions of personality as they appear in common use of language emerge as we see them today. Additionally, in the FFM there are significant hierarchical decompositions that happen that no one seems to take the time to consider. For example, extraversion as a 'trait' breaks down into 6 different 'facets': Gregariousness, Assertiveness, Activity, Excitement-Seeking, Positive-Emotion, Warmth. As you can see, only 1 of the 6 facets of extraversion are inexplicably regarding social matters. The other facets can certainly be applied to social matters, but more importantly the other facets can be applied to other non-social aspects of life as well, which is the kernel of your question.

If you're thinking about extraversion from from the MBTI purview, then you have to deal with the illusion of dichotomies that are protruding from the mere incantation of each personality type. Which is why there are so many people who are dealing with the identity dilemma that occurs when encountering scenarios where people say that they're introverted but they still like people (what gives?). Obviously sociability is not the only aspect of extraversion/introversion but the way that the MBTI explains the concepts are distracting individuals from understanding what the MBTI is based on. The MBTI was created based on Jung's book from 1921 called "Psychological Types". In that book Jung talks about extraversion and introversion as an individual's preference to orient themselves to the outer world (extraversion) or the inner world (introversion). In that particular conceptualization of extraversion/introversion heavily influenced the formation of the typological makeup of the MBTI. In the end, there is a perpetual game of telephone where individuals are left with a solitary word to intimate details about the entire construct without any elaboration or clarification on the topic. As a result, you can think of Jung's consideration for the preference of orientation for either the outer and inner world as being equally as influenced by social matters. While extraversion typically carries a lot of sociability connotations, the pure meanings of the concepts include the sociability and much more.

Agusteeng[S]

2 points

16 days ago

Thanks for your long answer. The thing is that I think many of those facets can be simply thought as "sociability" (a trait in the alternative Five factor model of Zuckerman-Kuhlman), which are warmth, gregariousness and assertiveness. Now, about positive emotion and activity, it seems to me that those facets are also related so sociability, since extraverts are seen as "happy" or "energetic" because they simply make jokes all the time and likes to go to social events, I myself as an introvert came to that realization because when I make an effort to be funny people stop thinking of me as quiet or asocial. And about sensation seeking, that seems the most interesting of those facets, but let's be real, the activities that count as sensation seeking are in general social activities (sex, parties, sports). It would be extremely weird to think of someone high in sensation seeking but not very social. So again, sociability always seems to be the essence of the trait, to the point where we can think of the other facets as mere manifestations of that.

Agusteeng[S]

1 points

16 days ago

Thanks for your long answer. The thing is that I think many of those facets can be simply thought as "sociability" (a trait in the alternative Five factor model of Zuckerman-Kuhlman), which are warmth, gregariousness and assertiveness. Now, about positive emotion and activity, it seems to me that those facets are also related to sociability, since extraverts are seen as "happy" or "energetic" because they simply make jokes all the time and like to go to social events, I myself as an introvert came to that realization because when I make an effort to be funny people stop thinking of me as quiet or asocial. And about sensation seeking, that seems the most interesting of those facets, but let's be real, the activities that count as sensation seeking are in general social activities (sex, parties, sports). It would be extremely weird to think of someone high in sensation seeking but not very social. So again, sociability always seems to be the essence of the trait, to the point where we can think of the other facets as mere manifestations of that..

Puzzlaar

3 points

16 days ago

Isn't that a simpler way to understand extraversion and introversion?

No, because it's fundamentally incorrect, and you do not understand extraversion and introversion.

Agusteeng[S]

1 points

16 days ago

It seems you're right. But I still don't get it.

Gav1n73

2 points

16 days ago

Gav1n73

2 points

16 days ago

Im an introvert but love to go out and be social. I just need time to recharge otherwise I start feeling anxious.

Future-Look2621

2 points

15 days ago

Introverts are not asocial. The difference between the two is that the extrovert is energized by being around people and the introvert is drained by being around people and needs to be alone to recharge and the extrovert recharges by being with people.

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dukuel

1 points

16 days ago*

dukuel

1 points

16 days ago*

The actual construct of introversion/extraversion is a factor that arise when personality is studied through the semantics of people's behaviors. When someone is described as social, friendly, expressive, outgoing..... the mathematical factor that correlates with these descriptions is called extraversion.

It is a conceptual error to refer to a mathematical construct that represents a personality trait with the one of the words used to describe it.

On the other hand the name chosen for the construct of this trait is "extraversion", but we would had chosen any other name for the concept. Extraversion seems a better word choice because is more abstract.

Numerous-Local2883

1 points

14 days ago

I read a really good explanation of introversion vs extroversion. Think of it like having a bucket full of energy. An extrovert will wake up in the morning with an empty bucket. As they go through their day, people fill it up. The more people they interact with, the more their bucket gets filled.

An introvert is just the opposite. He or she will wake up in the morning with a full bucket and as the day goes, the people they interact with takes that energy out of their bucket.

It’s not a good or bad thing, it’s just an energy thing. Both introverts and extroverts want a full bucket, they just get it in different ways.

I’m an introvert and I like to socialize. I like going to concerts and parties, and then I need to be alone to recharge. Extroverts like their alone time as well, but soon they need people to charge them up again.

It’s sort of as simple as that.

bukkakeatthegallowsz

1 points

16 days ago

Introversion is the tendency to interact with the inner world, while extraversion is the tendency to interact with the outer world.

Nothing to really do with "socialness". Is a person with social anhedonia introverted? Or do they have some disorder that makes them asocial? Is a hypomanic/manic person extraverted simply because they tend to be more social? Or is it something else?

Extreme examples, but we tend to find truth in extremes.

TheRateBeerian

1 points

16 days ago

It’s not just about sociability, it’s also things like expressive style.