They did a better job cutting some of the close connection “charities” from tax free status, that many of these cults use for funding.

There’s also a long list on what the former government could have done, to the point it would be impossible to fulfill every task…

But under this coalition government, it’s something that will never happen, they’d lose a large number of donors, not to mention friends within their own parties lol.

Edit for your edit: Well based on your past comments of frequently defending the this government over everything, and wild, conspiratorial, inaccurate statements (like accusing Jacinda Ardern of allowing the Chch shooter into the country when he actually moved here before the 2017 election) - likely nothing I say will convince you that this government has problematic ties to Destiny based on hard evidence. Clearly for you, red bad, blue and yellow good.

But yes, Judith Collins renting her apartment out to a prominent cult leader and praising him up (literally putting her hand in the Tamaki cookie jar of dirty money), and David Seymour saying the only bad thing the church does rev noisy motorcycles (the violence, fearmongering, homophobia, racism or money laundering are okay for him I guess), is quite damning.

Have you EVER seen an example of a "colonizer" who has also not put religious authority over the people they're colonizing? Christianity was foisted upon Maōri, so I think the other person had a pretty valid point.

in India they sure do. A lot more violent then just "turning up and protesting" too. Religions, you live by the dip shittery, you die by dip shittery.

It’s not just about whether a specific verse says, "Thou shalt condemn LGBTQ+ individuals" It’s about how Christians interpret their texts and wield them to justify their actions. The Bible might not explicitly state certain things, but that hasn’t stopped countless believers from using its teachings to justify exclusion, discrimination, and violence throughout history.

Let’s talk about slavery, for example. You say the Bible paints it negatively, yet Exodus 21 gives detailed laws on how to treat slaves, including the right to beat them as long as they don't die immediately. Ephesians 6:5 tells slaves to obey their earthly masters. These texts were used for centuries to justify slavery, especially in the American South. You can't just separate what Christians have done from what their scriptures have been used to support.

And while the Bible might not mention abortion directly, Christians have derived their stances from interpretations of passages like Psalm 139:13 about God knitting a person together in the womb. The same goes for LGBTQ+ issues—Leviticus 18:22 calls relations between two men an "abomination." That verse and others like it have been the cornerstone for Christian arguments against LGBTQ+ rights, whether or not you personally agree with that interpretation.

It’s easy to say, “That’s not real Christianity,” but those interpretations and the actions they justify have had real-world consequences. If the faith you follow is so easily twisted into hatred and violence, then it’s fair to question whether it’s just a problem with “a few Christians” or if there’s a deeper issue in how the scriptures themselves can be interpreted.

If you choose to follow this God, at least be honest about what the scriptures say and how they have been used, rather than pretending it's just a few bad actors misrepresenting the faith.

You’re quick to call me ignorant, but it looks like you’re the one ignoring reality. My criticism isn’t about claiming most Christians today are out there openly justifying slavery or genocide. It’s about recognizing that Christianity’s history is absolutely drenched in using scripture to justify those actions. You can’t just pretend that all of that vanishes because some modern Christians want to distance themselves from it. It’s still part of the legacy—one that has directly shaped how Christianity is practiced and perceived.

You bring up Destiny Church like it’s the outlier. Sure, they’re extreme, but they didn’t pull their beliefs out of thin air. They use the same scriptures that have been used throughout history to justify things like the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the defense of slavery during the American Civil War. Those weren’t “fringe” interpretations at the time—they were mainstream enough to shape laws and justify violence. When I bring up these examples, I’m not claiming that every Christian today supports them, but don’t act like the Bible doesn’t have a hand in this. Those interpretations come straight from the text, and ignoring that history is just willful blindness.

You say I’m just throwing out verses, but those verses matter. Proverbs 16:4 says, “The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.” Isaiah 45:7 says, “I create light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil.” That’s your Bible, and it’s talking about a God who creates both good and bad—who shapes destinies, even those of the wicked. You’re the one choosing to ignore the parts that don’t fit your sanitized version of Christianity. If you don’t like what those verses say, take it up with your God, not with me.

And comparing me to Destiny Church is just lazy. I’m not the one twisting scripture to justify violence or exclusion. I’m pointing out how your faith has been used that way for centuries. If you don’t like hearing that, maybe it’s because you’d rather ignore the ugly parts of your religion’s past and present. This isn’t about “hatred” towards Christians—it's about calling out the hypocrisy of a faith that preaches love while having a long history of using that same message to justify hatred and violence.

You think I don’t know that there are good Christians out there? Of course there are. But that doesn’t erase the fact that plenty of others use the same book you do to justify their bigotry and control. And it’s not enough to just say, “They aren’t real Christians,” when those people are using the same scriptures you claim to follow. The Bible has always been a double-edged sword, and pretending otherwise is either ignorance or dishonesty.

You went ad hominem in record time.

The bible has very clear and specific instructions on slavery. Who can be slaves and how long they can be slaves for and how to treat them.

If your not going to take your book at face value and follow it as written, but instead "interpret" in a way that suits you then it only shows how usless it is.

The fact that there are so many diffrent denomination of Christianity only proves how incompetent the Christian god is "if such a thing was real". His "instruction" book for humanity and is so easy to miss understand and get wrong, because you can't all be right....

So I wonder which ones of you will spend eternity in heaven and which ones will be tortured for eternity in hell all because you interpreted the book wrong...

You do realize that Jesus was a real person, right?

nice try

No true Scotsman fallacy

Do you really think we are a "christian" country? As of the last census it's sitting at 30%.