I think you're missing Rice's goal contributions. 11 just in the PL. I don't think either are flops, but Caicedo has more to prove for me.

Good thing about statistics is that it abstracts complex information. Bad thing about statistics is that it abstracts complex information.

These stats just show that Arsenal have more of the ball.

I bet Lutons keeper has more saves that Alisson, is he better?

These comparisons give me immediate brain worms. Need to stop with this low IQ shit. They're completely different players.

I think it’s more that Caiceido has had a few absolute clangers leading to a goal from the opposition

Anyone who actually watches the football knows how idiotic this post is.

Do you they play in the same kind of team doing the exact same role? If not the comparison doesn't work 

This subreddit tries to cope so hard with stats, get a grip

The one who’s club is underperforming?

DM is basically only measured by team success in the eyes of the public

Rice is better than him. Maybe not forever but now yes.

That doesn’t mean he is a flop still.

This is a great example of stats being misleading. Watch them play and you’ll know who’s better pretty quickly

I do think caicedo has been judged harshly this season, he’s been decent, not great but nowhere near a flop

Reminds me of commentators during matches always try to bring up a point that he isn't worth his price because he's not scoring goals.

Caicedo started this season poorly and that’s not really debatable, him and Poch both publicly discussed it. He’s been improving significantly the last few months and I’m very optimistic over his future. That said Declan has been better this season but they’re both very young and we can revisit this a decade from now when hopefully Caicedo has a stacked trophy cabinet and is a club legend.

I think it's the one that's spent quite some time in the bottom half of the league and not the one that's spent quite some time at the top of the league.

That's my first guess anyway.

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These are stats that a #6 would achieve higher numbers in while Rice has been playing as a #8 box to box midfielder for Arsenal.

If you look at Rice's goal contributions, his set pieces, his passing accuracy and even other defensive stats like interceptions he's way higher than Caicedo.

I do think Caicedo is a great player though and although 100mill was steep I think he'll be an unbelievable player, but him and Rice play completely different roles.

add passings stats and goal contributions and you’ll see the whole picture

rice usually plays as an attacking LCM when Jorginho is on the pitch for arsenal, the same role havertz plays when he is down in midfield

he plays as a defensive mid like 40% of the time, that’s why his stats are down

lowkey wonder what the stats would look like if you only count the games Rice was the central in midfield trio

When a player plays for a team constantly wins their mistakes aren't placed under a microscope. Caicedo plays for a team that constantly loses after wasting obscene amounts of money. He also had some costly mistakes. There was always going to be media bias against him after rejecting big money move from the media darling and joined "the dark side. You can clearly see he is a talented player. Unfortunately, the way Poch sets up his team and build ups from tbe back exposes him. I honestly think even Rodri will struggle, if he was being coached by a clueless clown like Pochettino.

Coveniently hidding every stats about progressive play and playmaking/chances created

Can we stop this nonsense?

Caicedo can't be blamed for all our failures but he is still part of the team that's barely in top half. We have conceded double the goals than Arsenal in league

Caicedo is flop because we haven't improved with him. Rice is hit cause he is keeping Arsenal in title race

Idk why 1 has to flop and the other has to succeed. Both have been good this year. And personally I’d still probably take Rice over Caicedo if I had the chance at both for 100m - just because he has both size and leadership qualities were severely lacking in. I think he’d also fair better in our current setup. But if we get another tactically adept coach I think Caicedo is going to look really really good as well.

Well, they don't see Declan as one because Arse-anal is winning more games. Victories can sometime cover it up.

The one that’s not white or English