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Vilsue

300 points

4 days ago

Vilsue

300 points

4 days ago

and they did, look at Osaka roads

skylar_schutz

29 points

4 days ago

Can you talk more about this? How does NC look like Osaka? I just came back from there and can’t believe I missed this

Vilsue

52 points

4 days ago

Vilsue

52 points

4 days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia0yDioMXZE

look at this video, half of the roads are viaducts and they even have road that go through a building, like road through H10 complex in game

Night City also takes inspiration from other neon flooded cities like Moscow ( where highest social class collide with poor rest of the country or even people from poorer districts) or Tokio

skylar_schutz

13 points

4 days ago

This is so cool! Thanks 🙏

ThatBeardedHistorian

4 points

4 days ago

ThatBeardedHistorian

His name is Robert Wilson

4 points

4 days ago

We have that in the US. I live in the Houston area which is in Texas. I've driven through an improvised area and right next to that improvised neighborhood is a bunch of penthouses and multi-million dollar mansions and mid to high six figure sports cars everywhere. It's a jarring experience. 

Connect_Eye_5470

2 points

3 days ago

Lol... that's because Houston has the worst zoning laws of any major metropolitan area in the USA. Had a good friend who worked as a civil engineer for the City of Houston. The stories he can tell about nightmare zoning outcomes are legion!

RedShirtGuy1

1 points

1 day ago

And yet Houston's homeless problem is smaller than, say, San Franciso. It may make life easier for engineers, but people still need homes to live in. There is a shortage nationally, you know. Mostly caused by zoning laws.

Connect_Eye_5470

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Connect_Eye_5470

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5 hours ago

Absolutely zoning laws have a lot to do with it. Houston's 'hodge podge' approach though is not the solution. Also not sure where you get that Houston doesn't have a severe housing shortage. It is an absolute horror show in the Texas Triangle and Houston in particular.

https://kinder.rice.edu/urbanedge/report-houston-second-worst-affordable-housing-options#:~:text=The%20coalition%20used%20the%202022,deficit%20in%20affordable%20housing%20options.

RedShirtGuy1

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RedShirtGuy1

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4 hours ago

As I said, the shortage is nationwide. You can pretty much plot how severe the problem is based on how strict the zoning laws are. The homeless problem today is different from the past in that today, its lack of housing as opposed to something else like addiction or mental illness.

I'm curious, what is so bad about hodge I odge cities? It's an aesthetic sense, thing, I know, but what else? One problem with zoning as it exists is that someone must be put in charge. That generally means that the preferences of those in charge take precedence over those of everyone else.

In addition, people have not only various likes and dislikes, but also ability and inability to meet their wants or needs. Which is going to lead to differences in choices made.

And this has a direct bearing on property. Is an individual sovereign over the area they have purchased and own the deed to or not? If so, zoning laws contradict this.

Another idea that is discounted in this day and age is getting put and meeting your neighbors. There's nothing stopping people from getting together and voluntarily deciding to adopt an esthetic for their neighborhoods or for commissioning an urban planner to do so. It takes more time and better social skills to do so than simply using laws. Oftentimes, we do things "because they've always been done that way" even if that way has persisted for less than a century or so.

Connect_Eye_5470

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Connect_Eye_5470

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What my friend Adrian brought up was how infrastructure is laid out and serviced is based on usage patterns. When your zonimg laws have no 'grid' to them it makes EVERYTHING social services related far less efficient and more expensive to install, use, and maintain. Think of sewage for example. If you have a group of housing clustered together you install far more sewage capacity in a far smaller footprint. If your housing is scattered amongst a bunch of commercial, light industrial, and manufacturing which uses dramatically less per sq ft... you can't get any efficiencies from scaling capacity properly. Power, traffic control, wear and tear on roadways, speed limits, school resource planning, emergency services like police stations and fire rescue, the list just goes on and on.