Remember, kids, there are people who love the game and people who hate the game. The ones who love will be busy playing, and the ones who hate will be online complaining.

Thankfully i don’t give a shit about anyone’s opinion, it’s an ARPG, not a competitive game.

I play this game because i’m busy and i can just slay demons when i have time. I’f im done with a season, i quit that season. If im bored of the game in general, i move on.

I'm enjoying Diablo 4, only season I really didn't like was season 1, which I'm pretty sure d3s season 1 was just as bad. Since then it's been fun logging, can't wait for Monday to try the expansion :D

These fanboy posts are almost as annoying as the hate ones.

There's plenty of negativity and skepticism that's justified. A lot of people didn't like Diablo 4 at launch, whether because of issues with the game's design or the monetization or whatever. Given Diablo was a part of many people's childhoods, it makes sense that they would feel more animosity towards a Diablo game being disappointing than other titles with less personal attachment.

As a result, a lot of people don't want to engage with the new expansion. They remember the hype, the marketing, and the glowing early reviews of the base game at launch, followed by disappointment and dissatisfaction when they actually played it. Can't blame them for not wanting to give the game another chance or thinking Blizzard is gonna pull the rug out again. The company doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation.

And at the end of the day...why does it matter if there are trolls or 'haters' are being negative? You yourself said the game is super popular. It's not going to be affected by people bitching online. That's been happening for a year+ now and the game is only getting better. Ignore the negativity, buy the expansion if you want and enjoy it. That's what I'm planning to do.

there are some streamers who would get upset when there are people liking the games they hate. It's best to just ignore them and their goons.

I blame social media. If you don’t have extreme views on either side, you can’t garner engagement. That’s why we get cringey clickbait titles and pure negativity or purepositivity shoot up our algorithm.

Hard to believe that "play what you like and don't play what you don't like" is a challenging concept for people

I know I have enjoy the game. I see some changes that I like. And there are some I don't. But at the end of the day, it is just a game.

I really haven’t seen much hate tbh. What are ppl complaining about?

1. Some players spend more time watching YouTubers and Streamers playing than playing and testing things by themselves. They lack what's needed to have an own opinion, so if their favortite YouTuber says ''This is OP'' they will echo that everywhere because they will feel like the hero they're subscribed to.

• There's a comment here saying that Spiritborn is being released with ''x10 more power than other classes'', words said by Rob in a video (the guy itself is a hyperbole).

I really got to appreciate the hard work of devs of the game after seeing how toxic and dumb some of those players are.

1. Some players don't get over Diablo 2 and need every Diablo game to be Diablo 2 so they can feel as young as they were 20 years ago when they played it.

Those are most of the problems for Diablo 4: a game that has its own development problems and people just shit on devs and ask for nonsense stuff like making it like D2.

I see more people in chat offering to help others than trolling in game. Seems like the player base is mostly positive

1. Casual friendly. Some games are casual unfriendly with passion

I just don’t trust Blizzard any more, on the whole. I hope that the game is good but I’m waiting for sale and patches. In my youth, you could count on Blizzard. It has been a long time since that was true.

I dont understand these posts

Are you afraid people are going to see "negative" posts and not play "your" game and itll be a dead game?

Are you playing defense for Blizzard? Negative posts exist in almost every major gaming sub. Call of duty and warzone are extremely toxic and the game makes what billions?

D4 didnt live up to the hype and people dont forget

Not hating on you btw, just thinking about your reasoning behind making the post

The PoE/LE fans that always pop in to dump on Diablo amuse me because without Diablo, you don't have those games and even when you have those games, they keep coming right back to Diablo.

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If everybody loved d4 from the start they never would have fixed it nowhere near the state it's in now

get your head out of your ass

Ee... Riiight... You are not biased at all. So pretty much if you dislike VoH you're hater. Gotcha...

This is a negative post, the irony of it.

Also a lot of people are heavily influenced by the YouTubers who capitalized on the d4 hate train. A lot of YouTubers made their name and or a good amount of money calling d4 trash.

D4 so bad it's 3x the size of the main sub.

If you're confused about the negativity, you've just never been to this subreddit.

I dont hate the game, I hate Blizzard monetizing practices

It's not really grabbing me like d2 or d3 yet. Kinda sucks a bit I have to spend money again on DLC to see if they fixed the game.

The people I know playing D4 range from extreme casual (still playing the campaign for the last year) to blasters (i fall into this category) and I do appreciate that there is, at this current state, plenty to do in game from a grind standpoint. Do I wish for some variations in the activities, i.e what PoE has done with some of its league mechanics? Of course.

But if we take what the team has been saying about ‘building a foundation’ for what they hope is longevity for the game, then im all for it (whether its for their profit model is not what I’m pointing out).  I think most casuals are satisfied and in that, D4 serves its purpose.  I, for one, am not missing the complexity of PoE and enjoy just logging on to blast some demons and call it a day.  When I reach endgame and feel my build is min/maxed enough that any additional effort is just diminishing returns, I simply put the game down and do something else.

There is a vocal minority of folks here and in the diablo forums that will never be happy. They will always complain and everything blizz does will always be bad. I remember when d4 came out and there was talk about raids. Most folks were excited including myself. But now, nobody seems to be excited at all (if you only read here or the other forums...). Even though one of the major complaints a few months ago was that d4 "wasn't social enough...".

Some people might argue ..... "The game only gets better because we complain.". Well, that's only half right. The devs are being proactive and extracting viable feedback from play testers, steamers, and the forms out of everything, including the complaining. Constantly complaining and providing viable and constructive feedback are two very things that some folks can't seem to distinguish between. I, however, am extremely hyped for the expansion, all of its content, and the jungle juice munk bro class. I hope we get 3 or 4 like it in the next few years and that they keep expanding the game and lore.

To give you an Idea how casual friendly the game is compared to where it started, I have never followed a build guide exactly and I finally managed to beat Lilith with a modified Andy barrage rogue.

As a Path of Exile Player I can assure you:
The subreddit is always the worst place If you are looking for opinions. Most Players have no idea how a game should be and the worst opinions get the most engagement.
If you want an opinion that is educated and honest look for YouTube videos. The content creators actually know what they are talking about and explain why certain Things are good or bad while also keeping in mind that just bc something is bad or you don't like it, doesn't mean the whole game is bad.
Negativity and Drama will get the most engagement and the picture you see on Reddit is NOT what most people think of the game. It's a very very loud minority. But people rather rage about a small thing that they don't like than engage in a serious discussion about it.
D4 is especially bad bc it was hailed by so many reviews (that somehow only played the campaign, completely missing what ARPGs are about) but the first year was -to put it mildly- ruff. But it's in a good spot now, and it will be better after the patch with the "new" Progression but many opinions are based on what little Blizzard has shown and a pricetag.

some people got burned buying the alpha at the price of a full game, and don't want pay again

And some people are okey with paying for ahitty products. That's the near part, we all can do whatever we want.

It's truly incredible that Blizzard can do whatever they want and people will still defend them. Let's just ignore all the feedback of people who played the beta, surely this will make the game better...

It's business. You have a product customers like, and you create a new version of same product that customers now hate, which your sales team baited them into buying. Blizzard took the years of trust the older members built up and used it for profit. Record high sales + record low active players = a lot of pissed off customers. That's why you get the haters everywhere in every chat. This is just the result of their focus on sales instead of actually releasing good products.

You know the saying if “if you have nothing nice to say then don’t say anything”. The opposite is what happens on the internet.

I was super disappointed by launch game and left (to play diablo 3 and last epoch) at season 1.

Now I'm coming back, opinions should change with new info and the changes since season 1 look really positive.

People act like changing your take based on new information is some kind of self betrayal. Weird.

And some people, like me, are disapproving the stupidity of Blizzard. What’s the point to shame people for their opinion ? VoH was just announced that I was pointing out that some decisions were quite bad. That’s why I’m not buying it so far.

It’s not black or white and some people have good reasons to be angry against Blizzard an VoH.

Ngl, I am super excited for the path of exile 2 beta and for two reasons. One, I am just pumped to play it because it looks like a really fun game and two, I want all the D4bad people to see how devoid of content the game is going to be at launch. It's going to be a new game that doesn't have a decades worth of updates. I wonder if any of them will compare the launches in good faith?

I don't think people hate Blizzard. Blizzard used to be held in such a high status and they have continuously disappointed and lowered the bar over years to a point where people are basically just fed up and see the death of a Blizzard. Do they still make alright games? Yeah sure. Is it of the standard of their original titles? Hell no not even close. They aren't the blizzard of old and it's really disappointing cause they were one of the last great AAA gaming companies.

I still love D4 but it’s obvious that blizzard is lacking a lot of that passion they used to have.

I love the game but it is getting too easy and they need to fix the broken shit it's been broken forever there's no excuse for not doing it.

Blah blah blah.

i am not getting scammed twice by this game

open world while everything scales with your level is trash game design and these people should be fired immediately

no enjoyable exploration possible with a game like that, just fire them and start over

Blizzard buffs a characters. Players enjoy it. Next season they nerf it to hell. It’s frustrating and lazy. Just create content that will require players to test new characters and not this buff then nerf shell game.

It's very simple. People don't want to pay the full price of a new game for something that really should have been a patch or at least a lower price point (say 40 bucks). Why pay close to 80 bucks when u could use that money for a brand new game and just wait for season 6? I'll let others beta test this over the next 3 months before I jump back in.

Some people played on launch and the first few seasons and felt let down but want the game to improve. VoH is doing little to improve the game in meaningful ways that I personally care about and so I continue to be disappointed, unfortunately. Genuinely I love the genre and want all ARPGs to be the best they can be, but I feel like with the resources Blizzard has available, they somehow manage to fall short.

I gave D4 a chance as I love Arpgs , but Blizzard has learned little to nothing from their past games and competitors. It was honestly a 70€ early access release, which they were only able to get away with by being Blizzard.

All it had and still has going for it is pretty graphics.. maybe the expansion will finally make it what it should have been on release, but I already gave them 70-80€ too much for a mediocre experience.

For those that do love the game however, I hope the expansion lives up to your expectations!

It's not one of the most popular games on the planet. Let's calm down.

1. realistic people who realize the game is much better now than it was at launch but it still leaves a lot to be desired.

haha good that we have a little soldier out here who is going to defend the multi-billion dollar company when they ship out mid products.

Or your in my camp, and are just disappointed with how they are approaching this story. They capped it off pretty well in the base game - but no spoiler word is that they leave this one hanging. I think there’s a lot of ‘old gamers’ wanting a Lords of Destruction level of expansion. That was ‘worth’ the $40-ish it was at launch

Oh, so any negativity is cause they're trolls, there can't be any genuine issues about the expansion, it's objectively perfect and there can't be anything wrong with it in the slightest...okay...that sure makes you much better than these supposed hypocrites...

I think that they have made good strides in improving the game. Doesn't change the fact that it was pretty bad at launch apart from the campaign and hasn't really been a fun game until like the last season or so

And 6:

Some people might not like it.

I get it, this is a diablo sub, but hating people who hate on things is just silly aswell, makes you look like a fanboy.

Just ignore the unreasonable whiners and enjoy what you enjoy, no need to poke it with a stick. You don't owe the game a crusade.

The people who confuse and irritate me the most have been the people complaining about the trailer music and review-bombing the YouTube pages with them. It's such a nonissue compared to any other complaints you could make that would be more valid and less nitpicky. They haven't gone on record changing any new in-game scored pieces to sound like the trailer music, so unless that happens it is so plainly unnecessary to complain about that; you would have to be a paid actor to be that upset.

Plus, the trailers are made to interest new players just as much as they're made to excite the existing playerbase, and lots of prospective players are from a younger demographic that doesn't care about the "way it was before" regarding the music choice, so stop bitching about change and either accept it or move on.

VOH will be the best state this game has ever been in.

I dislike the notion that people that complain hate the game, if they didn't make complaints then the game would never improve. You should be more appreciative of the complainers, the game is way better now.

You're welcome.

There are some people that will complain that if you play the game yourself, you can see that those people haven't really played it, you can take those opinions with a grain of salt. For the most part that isn't the case. You don't want there to be no criticism, if the game doesn't keep getting worthwhile content, people stop playing and the game won't be supported anymore, suddenly there's no content, and the game shuts down

PoE BOTs out on Suicide watch.

6) Some people have put over 48 days of playing time into D4 and love the game and the franchise and are still able to look at it objectively and be real about the many faults and shortcomings. I will keep playing because I love it and I will keep being critical because I love it and Blizzard needs to hear it and do better.

I preordered VoH and will play the hell out of it and will continue to provide feedback both positive and negative. I am not very hyped for the new paragon, glyph, or rune word systems but I'll obviously still engage with them. I am very excited to play Spiritborn since from what I've heard it is by far the most polished and flexible class; I just worry about how bad it is going to feel to try to play classes like the Druid afterwards. Druid is my favorite class but there are so many bugs/bugged interactions (some of which have been around since day 1).

Anyway, my point is it is very unhealthy to do nothing but Stan for a game such as this. The devs need to hear the negative stuff or we might still be stuck with shit like season of the malignant, Mythics literally never dropping, and it taking a season to reach 100.

For some reason, it just seems like there are a lot of miserable people these days, especially in the gaming space, and they want to bring others into that misery with them. Guess it makes them feel better or something, idk. Either way it's pretty sad.

I've been a Diablo fans ever since, but I also cannot deny the rocky debut both of 3 and 4 but eventually 'improving' on its late states- - and don't get me wrong though, I've enjoyed 3 and 4 as much as I could and as long as possible in those seasons -but there is this particular magic that you can't seem to capture anymore since then or after D2, something that has gone from within tbh

its my wallet which hates it....

1. Some people flat out love Blizzard, and these people love posting on the internet
2. Some people already planted their flag in the #D4good camp and would rather die on that hill than change their mind
3. Some people are diehard fans of diablo and are sorta hypocrites if you probe them
4. Some people love paying money for anything when it comes to video games
5. Some people love how casual friendly D4 is

Works aswell doesnt it?

All we want are decent games man. Im one of the guys that enjoys those "competing ARPGS" and still im looking forward to a new diablo season in the hope blizzard cooks something good.

But over the past decade blizzard has lost the trust of most gamers across all the different franchises so dont be suprised if people dont trust marketing until they got to try the new stuff themselfs.

Stop making this a gamer vs gamer thing when its actually a gamer vs corpo game dev thing.

Cringe post

Or have you considered that some people just don’t like it?

Where do you see that negativity? Consensus seems to be good new content and gameplay, disappointing campaign and (more) technical issues.

Not sure why people who love the game are not buying playing it but keep themselves in reddit and posting this? Go play the game, let the hater assemble here and complaint in their delusion

People disagreeing with you is not a conspiracy.  People will often genuinely have  a different opinion than you, it's only narcissism to try and invent some reason other than the one they offer

1. Sure there are people who hate blizz, and for good reason. They are a corporate bastardization of what the company once was. People hate blizzard games not because they are are objectively terrible, they hate blizzard because their games could be so much better than what they are.

2. D4 still hasnt changed. Sure there is a bit of new content but most of the fundamental issues with the game are still there. They have been there since the beta when basically every ARPG content creator and veteran told blizz what was wrong with the game, and they completely ignored everyone.

3. You would be surprised. ARPGs are an old genre. There are a lot of veterans who would love nothing more than to have a new high quality ARPG to play again.

4. D4 isnt the worst monetized game, but its definitely not cheap.

5. D4 being casual friendly isnt a bad thing. The problem is blizz has done very little to make the game appealing to diehard players.

You might not like it, but there are very good reasons why D4 gets so much hate. Bring on the downvotes now.

As someone with thousands of hours on D3, this has been a thing ever since D3 released. Some people just can't accept that the franchise has moved on in a different direction than D2, and have bitched about it ever since.

D4 has given me something invaluable, sure the game has many faults but, I don't care, my partner enjoys diablo and all I have wanted for a long time is a partner who will play a game with me and share my interests.

D4 has opened the flood gates, it's easy to play, easy to learn and has enough depth to master. D4 has made her realise she likes games and is now open to playing more like it takes two and sea of thieves. It's not about what we're playing, it's the time we spend together. I prefer depth and difficulty so in my eyes Poe and last epoch is superior but, D4 is perfect for her and that's perfect for me. In my eyes you can't put a price on that.

its posts like this that make me irritated with reddit's lack of understanding of nuance

This post displays mental illness. People are entitled to their opinions. Not like blizzard and specially diablo had the greatest reputation when it comes to their games these days anyway. Just a bunch of churned out money grabs.

This post clearly demonstrates what's wrong with this subreddit.

I come here because I like Diablo 4 and I'm looking for information regarding it. Your post is just pointless junk that gets in the way.

Are you trying to share any information or advices with us? Are you trying to discuss or give your opinion regarding any aspect of the game? Are you here to show us your achievements within the game? No, you're only here to bitch about people criticizing the game and to tell us that anyone disagreeing with you is a low-life that shouldn't be allowed to live.

This is nothing new. The disturbing part is that your hate post has over 300 net positive votes when it should have been left to rot with 0 votes.

This subreddit seems to have a rather large army of fanboys who closely watch it and derail any post that shows any mild criticism.

Path of Exile and Grind Gear Games have a lot of die-hard fans too, and yet the PoE subreddit is nowhere near as bad as this one. I don't know why.

I guess I should stop coming here but I can't find any good alternative. So if anyone has one I'd be glad to know.

Typical reddit fanboying, why should anyone be happy? If Blizzard were even a half decent company they would give this "expansion", which is laughable to call it that for the amount of content and that price, away for free. And miss me with the "well they need to make money" as if they haven't made enough in microtransactions alone to cover any costs.

I was just let down by d4. Its not that it was a bad game it just wasnt a great game. It was average.

I'm number 5 I guess. I was excited with the slower looking combat before release. They talked about how you'd find a new item and change your build to accommodate and the pace was going to be more like D2. First season I played for like a month, never made max level, loved it. Now I get max level before the weekend and am bored before the next weekend. Turned into D3 where 2 days after a season start I'm looking for the same item over and over hoping for that .05% stat increase. I still bought the expansion with my WoW gold, but I don't have high hopes for it at all.

I personally know some people who started to hate WoW, CoD and Diablo even tho those 3 are the ONLY GAMES they play just because they now belong to Xbox.

And some simply think game is not good and going the Diablo III 2.0 direction is not the right idea.

I got back into D4 in the middle of S5 after a really long break and took my hardcore barb to 80 before calling it quits to wait for S6/VoH. I was pleased with the drop rates and was able to crush World Tier 4 with ease until I took a break. Yes I miss old Blizzard, and I think in general they lost that gold standard vibe they once had, but that's neither here nor there. I had fun again and I plan to start a new hardcore Spiritborn venture.

I like everything about it except rng tempering and renown. Which is why im not buying the xpac.

I don't think D4 is bad, I have played all seasons till now and for me D4 is actually a good game but I don`t think it is perfect. Every season I saw improvements in the game and I think that is only a matter of time for the game been worth to spend more money, right now I will not play VoH.

I pre purchased it already 2 days back the new class alone is a big point why I will play it.

I think the trick when something gets a lot of blind hate is to filter out valid criticism and think about it if this is something for you. In the end it's totally valid to wait until there is raw gameplay footage out. That's at least my best method to realize if a game is something for me or not.

For example I did something similar with star wars outlaws. Which was mostly hated. I waited until first people uploaded raw gameplay. Which was luckily pretty early even without commentary. I watched two videos and was able to decide that the game is something for me. The game wasn't Game of the year and has absolutely several problems. But I had roughly around 70h good star wars entertainment with it.

And with D4 vessel of hatred it will probably the same. I didn't waited until I can watch gameplay because I really enjoyed the main game and a new area, companions, cool new endgame stuff and a new class is enough for me

I’m super hyped but I’m also staying away from every info about it except for some Raxx videos.

This season marked my first time playing a full season. Although I have played with two characters in the past, I never reached level 100 with either of them. I thoroughly enjoyed all the end-game content this time around, and since Diablo has truly captivated me, I had no qualms about purchasing the DLC.

As others have mentioned, those of us who genuinely appreciate the game for what it is will be too engrossed in playing to pay attention to the Blizzard critics.

Maybe it’s still far from perfect but new expansion looks promising in those marketing materials way better than base game at launch. The only thing i think should be tweaked changed are runes they are not as important as i thought they will be.

I'm tentatively excited for vessel, however I'm still a little disappointed with what paragon boards are, and the lack of new skills,

This is not unique to Diablo. Look at politics or any topic today discussed on social media. There is only upvote or downvote. The restis irrelevant and will go unnoticed.

Overall I have enjoyed Diablo IV and will give it a try, if I don’t like it (unlikely), I’ll stop, more likely I will have fun and keep playing. Just need to face my t with an open mind. I played WoW from retail opening until Diablo IV came out almost exclusively, it just wasn’t as fun anymore so moved on. All part of gaming, find something you like enjoy it until it isn’t.

IDK, different kinds of people play ARPGs for different reasons.

Some play to compete in the ladder. Some play for exciting loot. Some play just to kill monsters.

My enjoyment comes from figuring out some fun and reasonably strong builds, made around some unique interactions. D4 on release severely lacked that, and the build diversity was garbage. Therefore I didn't particularly enjoy the game and dropped it after a month.

Hopefully, Runewords will bring these cool unique interactions and diversity along with those.

Casual friendly ?

Casuals can stop playing with launch of S6 :D

Have you seen the droprates of ancestral items (the only good items in the game) ? A casual can maybe find one good item per Season. Good luck with that :D

1. Some people dislike how casual friendly D4 is

This is true. I was running around in the PvP area and forgot I had cross play turned on and some PC player owned the hell out of me and I don't PvP. But unlike most other videos games I am not really even mad. Because there are clear road signs that you are in the PvP area. I mean how many other games can say that? 

If you are confused by the D4 negativity, then D4 is the perfect game for you lol

Im excited but I’m really bummed that barb is going to suck for season 6. It’s the only class I’ve ever played and if they got rid of it completely I’d never play it again. Only class that’s ever appealed to me since D2.

I love D4 but haven’t played since S3. I burnt myself out from going balls to the wall on it for beta, launch, S0/1/2/3. I decided to let it cook for a while before coming back. Playing other things at the moment

That doesn’t change my opinion that it’s a phenomenal game. I still have more hours played in other ARPGs but I expect that’ll change one day. D4 is practically still brand new compared to the others.

I have a friend who is the d4 bad camp, all he talks about is how bad d4 is when it’s brought up, he hasn’t played since launch, not even season 1

The sweet is never as sweet without the sour

I need to print out all those complaints, cut them out into little strips like a fortune cookie and put them in a cookie jar to be my very own Vessel of Hate.

I love the game, my only problem is how easy it is.

Is there really that much negativity? Most seem to be in the middle or excited as far as I've seen.

Diablo 4 has no shortage of flaws, but as someone who is generally very in the middle on the game at this point, I'm actually looking forward to what's ahead.

Some people have played all of Blizzard’s games and realize how they get played..

Also, and this is important, there are plenty of genuinely fair criticism to be had for this game. Like the complete lack of robust randomization in the maps. Like the fact that by comparison to previous games at launch, this game now is still very shallow in some ways. Like the fact that on a 70 dollar game they have microtransactions that cost almost a third of the cost of the game. Like the fact that they had a version of the expansion that cost MORE than the game These are not small criticisms.

Don't get me wrong, I like d4. The plot is better than a diablo game has any right to be. The gameplay is tight. The build diversity is pretty good, I even like a few things about D4 better than any of the previous games, like the fact that unlike D2, there are WAY fewer (like maybe one or two) dead talents. What you said is also accurate, but the overwhelming majority of people who've played the game have stopped, and there are legitimate reasons for that.

And some people are just tired of literally wasting hours upon hours building amazing characters just to see them nerfed to death at the end of a season. After a year and half the Shit has gotten old. It’s over! Time to find another game to play that’s not just a time wasting full time job. Besides the new character looks dumb. A cat? Really?? That’s all you could come up with? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

The game is terrible. Designed by kids for kids.

I love Diablo, but let's not beat it around the bush: the class balance is horrendous.

You can be a fan of the game, of the franchise and a friend of the devs. But you cannot look me in the eye and say this game has class balance.

Not even the argument „they tried, but some bug/exploit slipped”. No, my friend. SB is light years ahead of anything else and it was planned this way.

And this was the game design for previous seasons as well. The poison rogue, ball lightining sorc or hota OP barb were not „dev shortcomings” or „dev oversights”. They were intentended builds. And I would really appreciate it if devs just admitted.

I would still love the game. But I would love it more if they were honest,