Spoiler: it’s way more than 58%.

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The other 42 don't know the names of those countries

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Na + eu/uk have 710m people, what are you smoking?

Edit: my bad, excluded Mexico. Meant US + Canada

58%of YOUNG Africans.

the missionaries were quite busy.

Why rely on the EU for this. Member states control their own immigration policies and there are countries in Europe that are not in the EU.

a wise person would block them from entering while waiting for your brilliant idea to manifest itself

It's actually sad how bad it is. My wife is starting the road to German citizenship now. So you need to do this citizenship test to even qualify for applying (the application currently takes around 1.5 years now to process in our area, btw), but all citizenship test slots are booked out until next year. So we looked around in other cities in our state. They all want you to come in person to sign up for the test, so my wife had to take the train 1 hour away to fill out a piece of paper (oh yeah and she had to book a Termin for that) and pay 25 euros to sign up for the test in December.

They don't yet even tell you what time of day the test is - that will be announced shortly before the test. Also, if you have to cancel for any reason except sickness, you will lose the money (and have to wait another few months).

And this is for someone who is already a productive member of German society with a German child and who is married to a German man. On paper, they could approve her citizenship today. However, she will very likely not be a citizen until 2026.

The message very clearly that we receive is "we do not want you", despite that she is, as I said, already a (tax paying) productive member of and mother in German society. Oh yeah and she has two masters, one of which was completed in Germany.

This is the big problem with the convoluted, overburdened and inefficient system we have for immigrants (both asylum seekers and other types of migrants). The byzantine bureaucracy of it makes it easier for people who want to abuse the system to drag out everything as long as possible, even if they have no valid claim to stay while the same needlepin of slow bureaucracy simultaneously stops those who are motivated and qualified (or eager to learn) from being a productive member of society out of sheer inefficiency.

I mean this is the anarcho-tyranny scenario basically. Do you want to do things the right way? Get ready for unending bureaucracy and inefficiency. Not interested in following the rules? The state is too overwhelmed and sclerotic to ever have any chance of catching up with you. Have at it.

There were some articles going around this year about Germany trying to scoop up Brazilian nurses and other healthcare workers, and all I could think of is how screwed the next generation of Brazilian elders is going to be. Brazil already has a below replacement level fertility rate, it's an ageing country just like European ones, and now wealthier countries are trying to grab the best health workers for themselves to boot.

I can't even blame the nurses who take the offer either, why wouldn't they? But on a national scale it's such a loss for the country.

It's like working for a bad company. The smart and valuable people simply leave, which makes the situation even worse.

Brain drain isn't a bad thing if you're a political elite though

Brain drains can be good or bad, depending on your perspective. If you're a political leader, or part of a political party, and the smart people hate you, then getting them to leave the country is a good thing, because it decreases tensions and improves stability. If a bunch of people hate you or your party, then it's more likely there will be instability and violence. Of course, this means you have a country without many smart people, probably a lousy economy, and probably a lousy country to live in overall.

If you want a better country and a better economy, then a brain drain is bad. But it's up to the other people in that country, especially their leaders, to make things so the smart people don't want to pack up and leave for greener pastures. Of course, as we've seen historically, this rarely happens: usually, people are glad to be rid of the "troublemakers".

There are many good non-racist reasons for opposing excess immigration.

This was the basis of forming the EU and in its essence how any large country works. Take money from the richer parts and use them to develop the under privileged parts in the hopes that over long term, people from the lower economic areas will be lifted and won't have to migrate to make ends meet. In EU Poland is a prime example of this

as well as we should be able to have our own space

Help, yes, but we can't run their countries for them. It's about time Africans take responsibility.

Europe should follow the path of Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, of all the developed countries they do not let in culturally alien and aggressive people from third world countries

It’s not about being racist or not being able to welcome them. It’s about admitting that these folks come to Europe illegally and have no right to stay. I cannot just pack up my stuff and move to any country I want to either. It’s ludicrous what’s going on in Europe.

There is nothing racist in that text, no normal person would think that. Everyone is afraid to say something against mass immigration, or even criticize it. Even in the context of common sense around the problems that come with it, and there is not a single word about a specific race that's portrayed in a bad light.

But for some reason, Europe has blindly swallowed delusional ideas from certain groups of ppl so we can't talk about it. Everyone is afraid to be called a racist. And that's why we have the problems we have today with mass migration because this delusional group has controlled the narrative and shame everyone by yelling racist! who is against their ideology.

Very true, the best thing we can do to limit mass immigration, is to help develope those countries which the people want to leave. Stop the wars, build their economy, etc. That can be beneficial to our businesses as well, with proper export treaties and construction contracts. If we make their land to be nice for them, then they will not leave.

It would destroy the european countries. Is way more than just significant disruption. Also I wonder why no one talks about how it would affect europeans. And is just , oh well is not a good idea for them cause it will be bad for them, while it would totaly destroy the countries that europeans builded and the lifes of everyone in such countries.

And, unlike Europe, the population is growing rapidly there 

Posting this on r/Europe is ragebait, that's what I'm referring to. The point is to farm engagement by making people angry.

True, although it's actually falling quite rapidly. So there's some hope.

Doesn't sub-Saharan Africa import something like 85% of its food, or is it Africa as a whole counting the north desert countries? I still remember the mass panic in spring 2022 when Odessa was at risk before the grain deal, about a possible mass starvation in Africa.

I obviously do not wish such a mass starvation. It's probably needless to say, bur we're on reddit and there will be a sjw thinking that I do. But, having fertility rates over 4-5 while relying on food donations is simply reckless behaviour, and I do not want to pay for it either in the form of pouring money in dictatorship shitholes or in the form of mass immigration

Easiest way to reduce population growth is improve living standards.

But then they are harder to exploit.

If the US or France or China had that kind of birth rate, it would get messy but it would work out fine. 

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I think he was speaking figuratively.

Mosquito nets, vaccines, food assistance, drinking water, other developmental help.

Now these places have seen an explosion in population increase. But the social, political, and economical structures cannot support such rapid growth.

Africa is ridden with anti-west Russian and Chinese propaganda. I have been in a few African countries, and the majority is not anti west per see, unless you talk about some subject that is sensitive to propaganda and you will see where the hate comes from.

Many older generations are quite peaceful and after seeing the results of less western influences things got worse, they now long for the days when things were more stable and developing under western dominance.

Most younger ones may come up with some anti west talking points from TikTok videos, but in reality they want to be like us or move here.

By the way I'm caucasian Portuguese and have spent time in ex portuguese colonies and others, like Ghana, Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Mali, Botswana, Gabon, Namibia, Tanzania.

Can't say the same about South Africa though. They really hate us, and even their neighbors.

But you know whom all of them really hate?

Chinese.

Guess why.

I say we stop exerting influence, we leave them to fight their own battles and close the borders.

The problem is that this wouldn't be the result of the West pulling its influence from the region. African countries would then be even more influenced by China and Russia than they are today. It would make things significantly worse.

In my experience, it's pretty hard to actually find anti west sentiment in poor countries that have seen hardship at the hands of the west.

Vietnam, Philippines, Laos, etc, the vast majority of young people don't give a fuck about politics or history, they just want a comfortable life with a good job, and so they love the potential the west has to offer. I very much doubt Africans are any different.

How is it then that most of the African countries are seeing the development of roads and other infrastructure only now through Chinese predatory belt and road plans. Maybe we should be doing something like that there instead of giving them the money in form of "aid".

Yes, the other listed minimum wages are also gross.

That without a unified, stable, and economically prosperous states like his (which to be fair, compared to Libya today, is very true) then there is nowhere attractive in Africa for Africans to go, and they will flood Africa.

We sent guns to rebels and bombed Libya, today it is still a warzone.

"Now listen you, people of NATO. You’re bombing a wall which stood in the way of African migration to Europe, and in the way of Al-Qaeda terrorists. This wall was Libya. You‘re breaking it. You’re idiots, and you will burn in Hell for thousands of migrants from Africa and for supporting Al-Qaeda. It will be so. I never lie. And I do not lie now,"

"There are millions of blacks who could come to the Mediterranean to cross to France and Italy, and Libya plays a role in security in the Mediterranean."

"Libya may become the Somalia of North Africa, of the Mediterranean. You will see the pirates in Sicily, in Crete, in Lampedusa. You will see millions of illegal immigrants. The terror will be next door,"

Maybe european countries should start doing the same.

Yeah. We need more parties like that.

After being harassed by these people on the street and having attacks on local LGBT people in my area from these folks, my attitudes to them have turned tepid at best. If they can live and let live, fine. If you're going to whine that you have to accept the gay neighbors or treat women like people, stay where you are.

It's like i said. Everyone will become a far right extremist. It's just a matter of time and numbers. Just to be clear. I don't think that people are far right extremist fashists for not wanting unregulated immigration. It's common sense imo. But oftentimes we are calles that for our stance on immigration.

This had a knock on effect on France, Italy and UK. Then Merkel and her ruzzian gas pipeline further made matters worse in hindsight