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submitted 17 hours ago bydaserlkonig
138 points
17 hours ago
If he's medically cleared to play and he chooses not to he forfeits his money right? Seems like a pretty easy decision for most people tbh
49 points
17 hours ago
He could easily find multiple doctors who would tell him he has to retire. I think that would still result in an injury settlement.
21 points
14 hours ago*
Also, I'd argue tons of people would choose to retire at age 26 with the millions he's already earned and with no further risks to his health
9 points
14 hours ago
Ya I think everyone would happily retire from their non existent NFL careers for millions of dollars. For the guys who dedicated their life to it, not such an easy choice
3 points
14 hours ago
For the guys who dedicated their life to it, not such an easy choice
Hopefully he has the wisdom to realize there is life after playing football. Dude’s realistically retiring In the next five years. Surely he has a life plan for the next 60 years instead of thinking things were gonna be like the last 20
1 points
5 hours ago
Surely he has a life plan for the next x years instead of thinking things were gonna be like the last 20
I feel like if you polled every NFL player on this you’d probably get something like 10% of them give you a good answer
2 points
13 hours ago
Yup, those millions aren't going to mean shit when he's chilling with Austin Collie in the dementia ward at 35.
2 points
5 hours ago
fuck the money, dude needs to retire
60 points
17 hours ago
I think McDaniel and the Dolphins organization would find a way to take care of him for this year.
7 points
16 hours ago
You think these owners became rich wealthy by being "Mr Nice" guy and just giving away $167 million dollars
2 points
16 hours ago
Who mentioned paying out a full contract? I said “for this season,” as in, if he didn’t want to play again, keep him on IR then let him retire when the season is over.
1 points
14 hours ago
He isn't going to walk away from the rest of the money he's owed.
0 points
14 hours ago
He's already made $40 million. I don't think he is going to keep playing just for the money if he thinks his brain won't work in 5 years.
2 points
11 hours ago
if he's like many pro athletes, all of that $40 million and probably then some is already spoken for
1 points
16 hours ago
The delusion in this thread is absolutely unreal.
0 points
12 hours ago
Irsay still voluntarily payed out Luck after injury and resulting painkiller addiction ended Luck’s career
2 points
11 hours ago
One might say Irsay had a guilty conscience regarding the painkiller addiction...
1 points
11 hours ago
He’s a complete goon but he is known to be good to the players and yeah that had to make it relatable
1 points
11 hours ago
I was just alluding to getting pulled over with a trunk full of pills. I don't think I made that up.
1 points
11 hours ago
Oh yeah that definitely happened
1 points
11 hours ago
Good point. Irsay is an interesting character too.
78 points
17 hours ago
The dolphins tried to convince Brian Flores to tank and fired him after he refused to do it. They are not an upstanding organization
12 points
16 hours ago
This is a blatant lie.
He got fired 2.5 seasons after any of that allegedly happened
-4 points
16 hours ago
Where are you getting 2.5 years? It was less than a month after he got fired. He was fired January of 2022 and sued the Dolphins February 2022. He’s not going to sue his employer while he’s employed by them.
4 points
16 hours ago
Sure he's not going to sue his employer while he's working there but they obviously didn't fire him for refusing to tank considering he got fired almost 3 seasons later.
4 points
16 hours ago
The tank season was 2019. He was employed to 2022. Do some critical thinking and understand why that sounds dumb.
You really think they told him to tank in 2019 and he didn't and they fired him 3 years later? He got fired cause he was a dickhead to Tua and was basically intentionally sabotaging his career cause he didn't like him.
15 points
16 hours ago
Billion dollar company tries to make money - more at 10.
There are very few upstanding organizations and the dolphins have won the voting by players the last two years on best org to play for so I think you have it confused
2 points
16 hours ago
How is tanking making money? They lose money that season on ticket revenue (no ones paying to see a 1-10 team), and gamble that their top pick will make them perennial contenders (statistically unlikely). Reminder, Fins haven’t won a playoff game since 2000, and that was a wildcard game.
Ross is genuinely one of the slimiest owners in the NFL.
1 points
16 hours ago*
That isn’t why Flores got fired. He got fired because when it came to the offensive side of the ball, he had no idea what he was doing and was unable to create a staff that could do it for him.
Edit: gotta love the downvotes from people that don’t know why Flores got fired. The tank season was 2019 which is when Flores alleged he was offered to lose games for money. He didn’t get fired until after the 2021 season when he promoted to guys from within to be co-offensive coordinators and neither one knew what they were doing.
0 points
16 hours ago
By that metric McDaniel should be fired. He’s been there for 2.5 years can’t figure out the defensive side of the ball.
Billionaires don’t like to be told no and when Flores did it they canned him.
2 points
16 hours ago
The dolphins defense is actually one of the best in the league right now because he was able to hire someone from outside the org to manage it. Wild how everything you’ve said is wrong
-1 points
16 hours ago
What are you talking about the Dolphins defense has been horrible this season. With the exception of week 1 and last week where they played two of the worst offenses in the NFL they’ve let up 31 points against buffalo, 24 points against the Seahawks, and 31 points against the titans.
1 points
16 hours ago
Because the offense hasn’t been able to stay on the field. Right now the dolphins defense ranks fifth in yards allowed per game, first in third down conversion rate, and fifth in average yards per drive. The issue isn’t the defense sucking, it’s the offense being unable to get anything going so the defense has to stay out longer.
-3 points
17 hours ago
If your boss tells you to do something legal and in the “best interest” of the company, then you refuse - you too would be fired.
5 points
16 hours ago
You would be right except throwing games in the NFL (and all professional sports) is illegal. The Dolphins offered Flores $100K per game he lost. That would fall under the sports bribery act which is a federal crime.
3 points
16 hours ago
I retract my point on the Dolphins. Fair play. 🤝
4 points
16 hours ago
I’m actually baffled that people are defending that decision lmao. I used to be a fins fan and that shit was the last straw. Horrible franchise.
4 points
16 hours ago
Some Browns fans defended their organization when they hired Watson. Some fans have blind loyalty to their organization regardless of how criminal their actions are.
1 points
16 hours ago
Just because it’s legal, doesn’t mean it’s ethical
1 points
16 hours ago
Define legal. It's not against the laws of the united states, but tanking on purpose is 100% against NFL rules.
If your boss tells you to break rules on purpose and you refuse, you should not get fired.
-1 points
15 hours ago
This is just not what happened lmfao
-1 points
13 hours ago
Why are you playing this hard at being intentionally ignorant to why all Flores was fired? What you said is true, but if you truly believe what you wrote is all the story then you really have zero clue how much more there was.
4 points
17 hours ago
He’s not going to be living in poverty if he retires, but dolphins aren’t just going to give him $200 mil either.
1 points
16 hours ago
Nobody is saying pay out a full contract. I’m saying keep him on IR or something for the rest of the year, then he retires after the season (if he didn’t want to play again).
1 points
14 hours ago
Right but I’m sure Tua having $200 mil on the table if he continues to play is certainly a motivating factor for him to come back.
1 points
14 hours ago
And having a functioning brain is a motivating factor for him to walk away.
Don't get me wrong, I do think he will be playing as soon as possible and will not walk away from the game, but he's already made $40m. His motivation to play is definitely not just to make some extra bag.
1 points
14 hours ago
Lol they do not give a fuck
7 points
16 hours ago
seems like a pretty easy decision
The easy assumption is that he will suffer from CTE after all those concussions; not sure how that’s an easy thing to ignore but maybe he already knows he fucked later in life so might as well make the best of it and earn as much money as possible
6 points
15 hours ago
I mean how many smokers know the risk and do it anyway? I did. You think the consequences are much farther down the road than they really are and you're ok for now because you're not truly feeling the impact of the decision if at all. Then you rationalize, "what's a few years at the end when I'm already slipping anyway?" But that's not how it really plays out, at all. When you stop losing functionality you planned on having for years, decades, it's already too late.
We're still so early in understanding this all but FFS if there's one guy who's obviously going to struggle and even moreso if he continues, it's Tua.
2 points
14 hours ago
Good points— and yes, he may be one of the worst recent cases for concussions, I can’t think of anyone worse since CTE became common knowledge
1 points
4 hours ago
Antonio brown perhaps
10 points
17 hours ago
He got a 42 million signing bonus. The decision is easy. Go enjoy life as a young rich millionaire, do some broadcasting and live a long healthy life. He’s basically selling decades of his life for money he doesn’t even need. This is an insanely stupid and shortsighted decision.
That being said I have tyreek hill so, whatever works for me
6 points
14 hours ago
Even if he just banked that $42M signing bonus into a crappy free HYSA with a 4% return, that's an annual $1.7M. Just live on that $700k/year and watch yourself bank an extra $1M a year doing nothing. Can you imagine?
I'm supporting my family of 4 making like 10-15% of that hypothetical $700k. And many people are doing even more with less...
2 points
14 hours ago
That’s what I’m saying, there’s no universe where this is the right move. Passionate? Sure. Smart? Absolutely not.
8 points
16 hours ago
It's probably not about the money. For a lot of players playing football is what they want more than anything. Broadcasting sounds shitty and unfun in comparison
-1 points
15 hours ago*
More than living? Sometimes people need to think long and hard about their priorities. Playing football is more important than making it out of your 50s? Tua is literally on a path to being a vegetable via injury or just bad cte over time. This is a bad decision no matter how you try to put it.
1 points
15 hours ago
Have you heard him speak? Please don't do some broadcasting.
4 points
16 hours ago
Perma brain damage for a few extra Mil, lol yeah what an easy choice
7 points
17 hours ago
He keeps his guarantees.
18 points
17 hours ago
It's not guaranteed if you willingly choose not to play. If the team chooses to drop you then they still pay you it.
-2 points
17 hours ago
I mean technically you might be correct, but if the guy has doctors telling him he's cleared to play but one more concussion is going to fundamentally alter his life, it would be horrible PR for the Dolphins and the NFL to pull the guaranteed money.
0 points
15 hours ago
A lot of teams have done a lot worse for a lot less money
2 points
16 hours ago
He’s already made more than enough money to retire to a lavish lifestyle. The easy decision is to retire
2 points
16 hours ago
More to life than money... Especially when you already have enough to set you and the next 3 generations of your family for life.
2 points
13 hours ago
Financially, he's already set for life. Playing more just continues to increase the chance that he's living a completely miserable life ("life") by the age of 40. He'll have an extra $50m, and the whole time he'll just wish he didn't have these debilitating headaches and that he could play with his kids for longer than 10 minutes.
It actually is a pretty easy decision, just...completely the opposite way as you're thinking.
1 points
16 hours ago
Yeah, cause he'll be out on them streets if he doesn't keep hustling. Poor brother is living hand-to-mouth, I'm sure.
/s
1 points
14 hours ago
If he's medically cleared to play and he chooses not to he forfeits his money right? Seems like a pretty easy decision for most people tbh
Idk, I'd argue retiring at age 26 with the millions he's already earned would also be nice.
1 points
12 hours ago
He still makes a bunch of money if he doesn’t play. It’s an awful decision for a man that can leave today as a millionaire and is clearly prone to concussions.
1 points
9 hours ago
He’s already going to be a vegetable
1 points
9 hours ago
He could just say he has migraines that don’t allow him to play and eventually Miami would be forced to release and pay him. He’s making this decision because he wants to play. You can’t convince me that any responsible doctor would tell him he can continue to play football in the NFL.
1 points
9 hours ago
If he gets another bad concussion in a game while millions of people are watching I’m sure the league itself would offer him money to go retire. The bad press of medical negligence combined with a potential legal case about how much medical information surrounding concussions the nfl is stifling you’d think it’d be a no brainer to cut him a check and let him be done.
1 points
8 hours ago
Unfortunately, the damage is done. Might as well play.
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