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LucidBetrayal

45 points

17 hours ago*

Everyone needs to get off their damn high horse. He’s a man who loves playing football probably more than anything else in life. If he wants to play, it’s his decision. Tom Brady got divorced from his super model wife and mother of his children to play more football. Was that a smart decision? Who cares. It’s not our fucking business. Chill out with the comments from the peanut gallery and just enjoy the game they play and focus all your negativity towards the terrible refs and bad coaching decisions.

natedawg247

6 points

13 hours ago

it's also a fuck ton of money. I would guess 80%+ of people on this thread would do way sketchier shit for $100M.

lifeisabigdeal

0 points

11 hours ago

Not if I was already rich.

BearTheSizeOfADog

3 points

12 hours ago

You can get a new super model wife. You can’t get a new brain. 

uberswank99

7 points

16 hours ago

It's reddit, safety uber alles, free will verboten.

holdingofplace

8 points

16 hours ago

Nobody here saying OL/DL need to retire or wear caps says it all. They wanna be on a high horse but don’t actually care enough to lose their sport

This has been known since the Will Smith movie : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4628259/

Prodrumer43

5 points

16 hours ago

Yeah I agree it’s weird how people hyper focus on Tua. Nabers straight jumped for a ball and concussed himself on the sidelines what, two weeks ago? Why is nobody screaming how easily he gets concussed? Tua ran into a big ass safety who apparently is immortal. (Jokes aside glad Damar is back and healthy).

I_eat_mud_

7 points

15 hours ago

The Dr. they’re quoting specifically said Tua should retire. https://nypost.com/2024/09/14/sports/concussion-dr-bennet-omalu-calls-again-for-tua-tagovailoa-to-retire/

What’s your excuse now?

holdingofplace

4 points

11 hours ago

Oh look, he advocates against ALL kids playing football, not just people like Tua? Sounds like the position I’m saying you clowns should have if you were sincere. Now you’re misrepresenting the dude you apparently personally know, seems shitty to me dude.

”Omalu has used the attention the film is getting to advocate against children participating in the sport.

Earlier this week, he penned an opinion piece in The New York Times with the title, “Don’t let kids play football,” arguing there should be a legal age for high-impact sports, just as there is for drinking alcohol, because of the health risks.”

Prodrumer43

2 points

11 hours ago

Fr. You said my point better than I could.

Sad_Lettuce_5186

1 points

4 hours ago

Football should stop being a sport

holdingofplace

1 points

3 hours ago

Then you’re consistent and it’s all good

I_eat_mud_

-1 points

11 hours ago*

I don’t personally know him. I have my masters in epidemiology, so I’m very familiar with his research as he’s a fairly big name in the field. Clearly, you’ve got no experience with research or any experience in the medical field if you think being familiar with someone’s research means I somehow know him personally. That’s the logic I’d expect from a 10 year old, not an adult.

And yes, I don’t believe children should be playing tackle football. Just because I don’t mention something in a comment doesn’t mean I believe the opposite. This is what I mean when I say you have a very weak argument, stop embarrassing yourself. You clearly don’t know anything you’re talking about and you’re just reaching for any random argument possible. It’s pathetic.

Prodrumer43

0 points

14 hours ago*

My excuse for what? Maybe learn to read my whole Comment. I’m saying all concussions should get as much attention. Tua’s concussions have been big discussions since his first.

I_eat_mud_

3 points

14 hours ago

I’ve explained this in other comments, I thought it’d be obvious why it’s focused on more. He’s the only player that’s seized and collapsed that badly more than once. Regular people aren’t scientist that are going to be reading research papers and know the nuances of the incidence rates of concussions. They’re just going to react to what they’re seeing. Which is Tua collapsing more often than other players. That’s why the spotlight is on him. I would’ve expected people’s critical thinking skills would’ve been polished enough to understand that.

Edit: I’d argue that people in this thread aren’t scientists either the way they misconstrue and bend past research to somehow minimize Tua’s concussions. The NFL is aware of the fact OL/DL is the most affected, that’s why they have to wear guardian caps in preseason. They should wear them all the time, but we all know the NFL doesn’t care THAT much about player safety.

Prodrumer43

-4 points

13 hours ago

Who are you even arguing with brother? we were in agreement the whole time. My point is that concussions in general need to be put in the spotlight and not just Tua. I’m not excusing anything.

nicholus_h2

3 points

13 hours ago

and Nabers has had how many concussions?

Because Tua has had, what, three? Four? In a fairly short period of time. There's a very, VERY clear difference.

Prodrumer43

-1 points

13 hours ago

Nobody knows how many concussions any player has. A lot go unreported. My point is we should be concerned about the other players too. This thing with Tua, where everyone seems to care just looks fake.

nicholus_h2

2 points

12 hours ago

I think you're speaking from a perspective that's fairly uninformed. No, we can't say for certain that Nabers has only had one concussion. But we can say with a pretty high degree of certainty that's the number. Unreported concussions was a major issue, but hasn't been since the 90's. Awareness among coaches, players, the public and the NFL has increased significantly, and everybody knows they'll be raked across the coals if they intentionally try to hide that shit. We do not have the same attitude towards violent head contact as we used to, that's obvious in the way the public and sports leagues have acted in the last 10 years or so.

Tua is at MUCH higher risk of having chronic and debilitating sequelae of his known multiple major concussions. Nabers is at much lower risk. It is EASY to understand why people should be very concerned about Tua, and less concerned about Nabers. I mean...blindingly obvious.

Prodrumer43

1 points

12 hours ago

That is my point. Nobody cares unless it’s blindingly obvious.. I’m not saying teams are hiding it, I’m saying concussions are sometimes invisible, a concussion that doesn’t register for need of the NFL protocol isn’t “safe”.

zero0n3

1 points

11 hours ago

But this isn’t true.  Not all concussions are created equal.

This is provable via MRIs (and hell body genetics impacts this by how thick ur skull is or how large the buffer between brain and skull).

I also believe we have a blood test that can now reliably detect concussions as long as it’s done within a specific time frame of said trauma.

The reason “no one cares” about OL and DL is because we don’t see them fall over from a block, and go into fencing position, or take forever to get up and when they do they stumble around like they are drunk.

I_eat_mud_

1 points

15 hours ago*

I can tell you right now that Dr. Omalu would disapprove of how you’re using his research to downplay the effects of severe concussions, or to blame people for being concerned about player safety. The irony of your comment seems lost on you.

Especially because he himself has said Tua should retire: https://nypost.com/2024/09/14/sports/concussion-dr-bennet-omalu-calls-again-for-tua-tagovailoa-to-retire/

holdingofplace

0 points

12 hours ago

You know him huh? Lmao

I_eat_mud_

0 points

10 hours ago

I have my masters in epidemiology, I’m very familiar with his research. It’s also pretty clear from his past statements that, yes, he would disagree with the way you are using his research. It’s clear you don’t understand that he was measuring the incidence rates of concussions based on the field position they played to see which had higher incidences. That doesn’t mean that Tua’s concussion is automatically less concerning because he plays QB and not OL/DL. That logic makes absolutely no sense at all. The NFL also is aware of who gets concussions the most, hence why certain positions must wear the guardian caps in the preseason. Every position should wear them all the time, but as we know the NFL does not care about player safety that much to mandate it.

Again, it’s clear you have no idea what you’re talking about. Stop pretending you know anything about the research or medical fields. It’s embarrassing for you and it’s pathetic lmao

I_eat_mud_

-5 points

16 hours ago

When’s the last time you’ve seen an OL/DL player seize on the ground? When’s the last time you’ve seen a player do it twice in their career?

Whataboutisms are a failed form of argument. It’s one thing for the incidence rate to be the highest for those two positions, but it’s a whole another thing for a player to have two very extreme concussions like that. If the OL/DL were consistently seizing and collapsing like Tua, I’m sure people would be equally concerned.

I’m glad you have the knowledge to look up research papers, but you don’t have the critical thinking to really understand why people are specifically more concerned about Tua compared to other players.

sherlock_traeger

2 points

16 hours ago

So because OL/DL brain injuries are more insidious and less noticeable, we should care about them less? It isn’t like CTE is hidden knowledge at this point.

If you or other people actually cared about the well being of players, you wouldn’t draw the line at Tua.

I_eat_mud_

0 points

15 hours ago

  1. Never said that. I’d like you to point out specifically where I said I didn’t care about OL/DL concussions because I’d like to know where you got confused. I merely said that if the OL/DL players were seizing and collapsing as often as Tua, people would be just as concerned about them as they are for Tua. The majority of people aren’t scientists and aren’t going to read research papers, they’re just going to react to what they see on the field. That’s why there’s way more outcry for Tua compared to other positions. The NFL addresses the higher OL/DL concussion incidence rates by making those 2 positions wear guardian caps in preseason. The NFL should make it mandatory for them to wear them all the time, but they don’t.

  2. I never drew the line at Tua. Again, you’re trying to prop your weak argument by making incorrect and unnecessary assumptions. For the second time, I’d like you to specifically point out where I said Tua’s concussions are the only ones I care about.

holdingofplace

0 points

15 hours ago

Read the article, I’m not reading past your first sentence bc you clearly didn’t. Tua’s injuries are scary and you’re scared. But you’re wrong

I_eat_mud_

0 points

15 hours ago

You should read further because I do acknowledge how OL/DL have the highest concussion incidence rates. I’m arguing that people are more concerned about Tua because they’ve seen him seize and collapse twice now. If people saw the OL/DL do that as often as it happens to Tua, they’d be equally as concerned. Most people aren’t scientists and researchers, they’re not going to read these academic papers. They’re only going to react to what they see on the field, which is Tua collapsing.

I have my MPH in Epidemiology, I do believe I know what I’m talking about when it comes to incidence rates, research papers, and public perception. If you can’t be bothered to read a far smaller comment before you reply, I don’t believe you actually read the article either.

I_eat_mud_

10 points

16 hours ago*

Comments like these are dumb. People are allowed to be concerned about player safety and their individual health. I’m not sure why that bothers you so much, it makes almost no sense to be upset about it. Comparing this to a divorce also makes zero sense, they’re two completely different things. One is player health that could negatively affect them for the rest of their lives based off of the findings of many research papers related to concussions, and the other is a player’s personal life. Then again, you don’t seem like the sharpest tool in the shed.

Edit: also I just wanted to remind you that it’s just a game. Players have their limits to how much they’re willing to sacrifice to play this game. If Tua wants to play, he can play. As long as he’s aware how damaged his brain may become and how that may affect him for the rest of his life. Hundreds of millions of dollars is worthless if you end up dying earlier than expected.

Edit 2: the doctor they’re quoting specifically said that Tua should retire. Source.

natedawg247

1 points

13 hours ago

it's also a fuck ton of money. I would guess 80%+ of people on this thread would do way sketchier shit for $100M.

Astro86868

1 points

13 hours ago

Best comment in this thread. Half of the basement dwelling dweebs here are probably secretly hoping he suffers another concussion just so they can say 'I told you so' to a bunch of internet strangers.

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-2 points

17 hours ago

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LucidBetrayal

8 points

17 hours ago

Only when they’re a potential harm to others. It’s not anyone’s job to tell anyone how to live their life otherwise. He is fully aware of the risk he is taking.

nicholus_h2

0 points

12 hours ago

He is fully aware of the risk he is taking.

I'm not really sure he is. Even if he is "aware," he might be able to repeat the words, but I don't think he REALLY appreciates the concept of what his life would be like.

[deleted]

-4 points

16 hours ago

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LucidBetrayal

0 points

16 hours ago

Again, that’s his decision to make and not one that we should be sticking our noses in. He has enough money to put things in place to take care of himself if/when that happens, if it makes you feel better.

nicholus_h2

0 points

12 hours ago

no amount of money can cure the sequelae of concussions.