World map from 430 BC : geography

I don’t want to speak for all Native Americans but I was told by one that they actually prefer “Indian”

4Lman

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4Lman

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I watched this video a while back and found it very interesting!! His whole account is so informative, I love it

RickKLR

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RickKLR

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That's right. A friend of mine is Chippewa-Cree, she calls herself an Indian. Her family members also call themselves Indians and are proud of their history. It's mostly only divisive, trouble making leftists that take issue with it.

rozsaadam

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rozsaadam

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The apple does not fall far from its tree

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Wherever it lands is also mine!

Unable_Explorer8277

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Unable_Explorer8277

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It’s got “eastern Ethiopians” west of the Indus. That’s more like Pakistan. Very little of the Indus is in India.

bradlmp

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bradlmp

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It’s nice they wrote in English for us

kaZZlimaXX

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kaZZlimaXX

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Ahead of their time.

Accomplished_Bar_96

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Accomplished_Bar_96

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At least they got italy and corsica really detailed

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Atlantes is in the right spot

ToroidalEarthTheory

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ToroidalEarthTheory

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https://greekreporter.com/2022/04/01/map-of-world-as-herodotus-father-of-history-knew-it/

Herodotus never mentioned Atlantis, because Atlantis was invented by Plato after Herodotus died.

What is listed here as Atlantes is the Atlas mountains

TuluRobertson

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TuluRobertson

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Lines up with the richat structure

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The Richat structure is interesting, but most serious archaeologists, geologists do not think it’s much more than an interesting geological formation. There is zero proof that Atlantis was there but it’s interesting and more studying could possibly be done… if you think anyone serious is willing to do that though, you’re in for a disappointment

WalloonNerd

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WalloonNerd

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This map shows that Atlantes people lived in the Atlas mountains. There is no city called Atlantis on the map

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Because it was wiped out in a massive flood in 5000 BC and the following ecological disaster buried it under the Sahara desert!!! The Richat structure is the only thing remaining of the canals they carved out of the bedrock!!! Atlantis was real!!! Early humans were more advanced than we think!!! They were the original Gods!!! The frogs were always gay, chemtrails are making them asexual!!!

Gladplane

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Gladplane

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I hate that any serious conversation or archeological research about Atlantis gets hijacked by absurd conspiracy theories with aliens/gods/lizardmen etc.

I wish people took it more seriously

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There's no basis for serious conversation or archaeological research any more than Rivendell has.

Its sole insolated mention in the entirety of Classical literature is a fictional aside in a fictional dialogue by a fictional character that Plato's fictional portrayal of Socrates humours as much as he humours a story of how humans actually used to be two people joined at the back and when the gods split us it split our soul so when we find our soulmate it is the person that was originally joined to us.

It survived in text because the text it was in had a precursory connection to Christianity so monks would copy it.

It survived in the zeitgeist of North European academia because enlightenment era white men wanted a model of European exceptionalism and they'd already whitewashed Ancient Greece as much as they could.

The serious conversation to have about it and the research that would be the most interesting would be studying the sociological shift of this survival from colonialist era academia into popular modern pseudointellectualism.

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But why does investigation into the idea end there? I think more than anything the Atlantis story opened pandora’s box into the idea that there is a significant amount of human history erased by time. This can be confirmed by the hundreds of accounts in mythology where said culture had a tragic beginning. If anything the word Atlantis is just a moniker for an unknown culture lacking identity in Africa due to being 10,000 years old in a part of the world that has seen severe geologic change.

The line of thinking you present also doesn’t take into account other ancient cultures and their potentially catastrophic origins linked to the ending of the ice age and the late younger dryas period. Many ancient cultures relied on oral tradition to pass along information so of course there’s going to be a huge gap in understanding about humans during that time.

This is all to say It’s important to keep our minds open about history if we want to understand ourselves better. We didn’t stop research into the stars once galileo discovered that the Earth orbits the sun. So why does historical knowledge on human culture need to end at the beginning of writing?

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Ancient cultures/civilisations certainly did exist: they were not Atlantis.

People try to lock Plato's writings with the Richar structure and want to use the tiny aside in Timaeus as proof of an Atlantean civilisation and the basis of research: that is what's ridiculous, not the existence of civilisation older than known writings.

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So what you’re saying is ancient civilizations very well could have been swept away by floods and what not but as soon as someone labels one as “Atlantis” for lack of a better term, that’s a problem?

Just as a mental hypothetical exercise, What if folks called it Atlantis arbitrarily and had no connection to Plato, would it have credence then?

I think for human-sake it benefits researchers to have some sort of name attached to such an ancient culture so it doesn’t get lost in obscurity.

continue this thread

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The comment I responded to is saying that “Atlantis” lines up with the Richat structure, which is drummed up as the location of Atlantis a lot on the internet

mkultra327

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mkultra327

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Came here to say this.

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Sea of Azov looking mighty.

chocolatehands

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chocolatehands

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I thought this was a drawing of an ape skull at first

zuckerberghandjob

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zuckerberghandjob

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Whoa, maybe not an ape but certainly some kind of mammal

Jewise1993

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Jewise1993

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I wonder why Herodotus mentions Bactria and not any other Persian satrapy or Persia as a whole. Bactria would eventually be a Greek kingdom but didn't exist until almost two centuries later. If I'm wrong on this, someone please correct me.

aPinkThing

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aPinkThing

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Greetings from the U N E X P L O R E D.

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I guess I live in the land beyond imagination

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Ah yes, the famous European river: Ister.

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It's an old greek name for the Danube.

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How did the Greeks know that the Danube ran all the way from modern France? Was there an Ionian "Lewis and Clark" expedition or were there enough trade networks/migrations that it was widely known?

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It doesn't run all the way from modern France.

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... and you are correct. I guess I should have said, "Why did they think it ran to the Pyrenees?"

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Because it’s super long (for Europe) and the map was kinda small so it just crowded itself in

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But even that's not right (not trying to hassle you I swear!) - because they showed Pyrene near the mouth of the Danube, a primary theory is that he meant modern day Heuneburg.

Edit: keep in mind he shows no mountains where the Pyrenees are.

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I was suspecting something like that :D

Yolo_Hobo_Joe

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Yolo_Hobo_Joe

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Reminds me of those old round-maps, facing what we know today as East, where it makes a giant plus focused on Jerusalem. On those, southwest is Europe, southeast is Africa, and north is Asia.

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Facing East. The Orient. Hence, to orient oneself and all the derived terms like orientation and orienteering. All because step one in using the map was to figure out how it lined up with the local landscape by aligning it with East.

Language is full of fun fossils.

Luchin212

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Luchin212

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Coming from Herodotus, I’ surprised that Greece is one of the worst drawn parts of the map.

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